el Tigre Posted February 28, 2009 Posted February 28, 2009 Not Jumping the Gun in Free AgencyFirst and foremost, I like the fact that the "inner ciricle" has decided to take its time. We've become all too accustomed to the 12:01AM signing at the start of the free agency period and it hasn't done the team any favors over the past few years. Why bid against yourself? This is why the Bills to overpay for talent like Dockery. There is something to be said about taking your time, allowing the market to develop and seeing where things go. It seems like Brandon has decided to employ that strategy this time around. Waiting will allow the Bills to find some bargains and maybe even take a few calculated risks. Letting Greer Walk They placed a value on Greer at 4 yrs $20M so that he has an option to stick around in Buffalo... but it seems like the front office has made a conscious decision to let Greer walk, unless, for some unforeseen reason, he garners no interest on the open market. While Greer vastly outplayed his status as an undrafted free agent, he simply doesn't have the coverage skills of Terrance McGee. Most posters seem to have an inflated perception of his skills... thankfully, the front office recognizes that McGee is more valuable to this team. He hustles on every play, he's a sure tackler, and his abilities on Special Teams speaks for themselves. Has he been beat? Every corner has! But this team needs more Terrance McGees, not fewer of them. Cutting Dockery The guy simply underperformed. The Bills wasted $20+ million on him, but it's better to admit a mistake and move on than to continue with a failed experiment. Making an offer to Jason Peters If they wanted to move on from Jason Peters, last year was the year... they could have drafted Ryan Clady for added leverage and sent Peters out of town. But this team can't afford to F**k around with the LT position now, particularly with a young QB. Pay the guy and move on. As others have already said here, I think the FO should have had a couple FAs targeted and went after them hard and fast. It looks now that we may just end up with second tier/depth type FAs,and this team needs better than that in a few spots. Greer should only be allowed to walk after a real effort was made to keep him,he's a valuable player. Neither one of us know what went on in negotiations so if the attempt was made and he's just TOO expensive,so be it. Cutting Dockery was a mistake,IMO. He was overpaid but it just creates another gaping hole to fill. Peters is a good player who,IMO,has questionable desire. If he does get his extension I hope he lives up to it and we don't see ourselves in the same situation with him all over again in a year or 2.
Rico Posted February 28, 2009 Posted February 28, 2009 Not Jumping the Gun in Free AgencyFirst and foremost, I like the fact that the "inner ciricle" has decided to take its time. We've become all too accustomed to the 12:01AM signing at the start of the free agency period and it hasn't done the team any favors over the past few years. Why bid against yourself? This is why the Bills to overpay for talent like Dockery. There is something to be said about taking your time, allowing the market to develop and seeing where things go. It seems like Brandon has decided to employ that strategy this time around. Waiting will allow the Bills to find some bargains and maybe even take a few calculated risks. Letting Greer Walk They placed a value on Greer at 4 yrs $20M so that he has an option to stick around in Buffalo... but it seems like the front office has made a conscious decision to let Greer walk, unless, for some unforeseen reason, he garners no interest on the open market. While Greer vastly outplayed his status as an undrafted free agent, he simply doesn't have the coverage skills of Terrance McGee. Most posters seem to have an inflated perception of his skills... thankfully, the front office recognizes that McGee is more valuable to this team. He hustles on every play, he's a sure tackler, and his abilities on Special Teams speaks for themselves. Has he been beat? Every corner has! But this team needs more Terrance McGees, not fewer of them. Cutting Dockery The guy simply underperformed. The Bills wasted $20+ million on him, but it's better to admit a mistake and move on than to continue with a failed experiment. Making an offer to Jason Peters If they wanted to move on from Jason Peters, last year was the year... they could have drafted Ryan Clady for added leverage and sent Peters out of town. But this team can't afford to F**k around with the LT position now, particularly with a young QB. Pay the guy and move on. Great post, I agree 100% with each and every one of your points... especially with letting Greer walk and not overpaying him 2 years after letting Nate leave.
Dibs Posted February 28, 2009 Posted February 28, 2009 Not Jumping the Gun in Free AgencyFirst and foremost, I like the fact that the "inner ciricle" has decided to take its time. We've become all too accustomed to the 12:01AM signing at the start of the free agency period and it hasn't done the team any favors over the past few years. Why bid against yourself? This is why the Bills to overpay for talent like Dockery. There is something to be said about taking your time, allowing the market to develop and seeing where things go. It seems like Brandon has decided to employ that strategy this time around. Waiting will allow the Bills to find some bargains and maybe even take a few calculated risks. Letting Greer Walk They placed a value on Greer at 4 yrs $20M so that he has an option to stick around in Buffalo... but it seems like the front office has made a conscious decision to let Greer walk, unless, for some unforeseen reason, he garners no interest on the open market. While Greer vastly outplayed his status as an undrafted free agent, he simply doesn't have the coverage skills of Terrance McGee. Most posters seem to have an inflated perception of his skills... thankfully, the front office recognizes that McGee is more valuable to this team. He hustles on every play, he's a sure tackler, and his abilities on Special Teams speaks for themselves. Has he been beat? Every corner has! But this team needs more Terrance McGees, not fewer of them. Cutting Dockery The guy simply underperformed. The Bills wasted $20+ million on him, but it's better to admit a mistake and move on than to continue with a failed experiment. Making an offer to Jason Peters If they wanted to move on from Jason Peters, last year was the year... they could have drafted Ryan Clady for added leverage and sent Peters out of town. But this team can't afford to F**k around with the LT position now, particularly with a young QB. Pay the guy and move on. Well said Dawgg.
Ramius Posted February 28, 2009 Posted February 28, 2009 Not Jumping the Gun in Free AgencyFirst and foremost, I like the fact that the "inner ciricle" has decided to take its time. We've become all too accustomed to the 12:01AM signing at the start of the free agency period and it hasn't done the team any favors over the past few years. Why bid against yourself? This is why the Bills to overpay for talent like Dockery. There is something to be said about taking your time, allowing the market to develop and seeing where things go. It seems like Brandon has decided to employ that strategy this time around. Waiting will allow the Bills to find some bargains and maybe even take a few calculated risks. Letting Greer Walk They placed a value on Greer at 4 yrs $20M so that he has an option to stick around in Buffalo... but it seems like the front office has made a conscious decision to let Greer walk, unless, for some unforeseen reason, he garners no interest on the open market. While Greer vastly outplayed his status as an undrafted free agent, he simply doesn't have the coverage skills of Terrance McGee. Most posters seem to have an inflated perception of his skills... thankfully, the front office recognizes that McGee is more valuable to this team. He hustles on every play, he's a sure tackler, and his abilities on Special Teams speaks for themselves. Has he been beat? Every corner has! But this team needs more Terrance McGees, not fewer of them. Cutting Dockery The guy simply underperformed. The Bills wasted $20+ million on him, but it's better to admit a mistake and move on than to continue with a failed experiment. Making an offer to Jason Peters If they wanted to move on from Jason Peters, last year was the year... they could have drafted Ryan Clady for added leverage and sent Peters out of town. But this team can't afford to F**k around with the LT position now, particularly with a young QB. Pay the guy and move on. Mark this date: 2/27/09 - Ramius agrees with Dawgg.
BuffaninATL Posted February 28, 2009 Posted February 28, 2009 Dockery - I was totally wrong on this one....he was supposed to be a running game mauling guard.Langston Walker - I still think he is playing pretty well for us......he did pretty well in limited time at LT too Kelsay - Never did understand that contract when him and Denny are virtual clones of each other McCargo - You just can test a players heart at the combine.....too bad there is not a test for that I think you meant to say "you just can't test a player's heart at the combine".....correct ?
BillsVet Posted February 28, 2009 Posted February 28, 2009 And you were probably one of the jackoffs that was celebrating when the Bills made a "splash" by brining in Langston Walker, huh? Or Derrick Dockery? How about when the Bills opened the vault for Chris Kelsay? Or when they made a splash in the draft and traded up for John McCargo. I bet you felt reaaaal good about your team then didn't ya? There's nothing wrong with standing pat on the first day. No he's the a**h*** who starts threads about Coles signing and then sheepishly admits he's not funny. Idiots abound. Great thread Dawgg.
Dawgg Posted February 28, 2009 Author Posted February 28, 2009 No he's the a**h*** who starts threads about Coles signing and then sheepishly admits he's not funny. Idiots abound. Great thread Dawgg. It feels weird to compliment the front office this time of year doesn't it? I'm still a bit nervous about how they'll use the draft picks. But for a change, showing some restraint was the right course of action.
BillsVet Posted February 28, 2009 Posted February 28, 2009 It feels weird to compliment the front office this time of year doesn't it? I'm still a bit nervous about how they'll use the draft picks. But for a change, showing some restraint was the right course of action. I think beyond the big names, the economy is going to have an effect on those vaunted tier 2 FA's. Teams want to win, but there are some strange things happening which may cause them to re-think spending wildly. Frankly, that's not a bad idea. As much as I want them to sign someone, makes choices which aren't knee jerk, but for the long term. Maybe Russ learned a lesson from Marv/Dick on how not to handle UFA.
DanInUticaTampa Posted February 28, 2009 Posted February 28, 2009 i am glad the is one positive, well thought out thread among all this depressing garbage
Magox Posted February 28, 2009 Posted February 28, 2009 I think beyond the big names, the economy is going to have an effect on those vaunted tier 2 FA's. Teams want to win, but there are some strange things happening which may cause them to re-think spending wildly. Frankly, that's not a bad idea. As much as I want them to sign someone, makes choices which aren't knee jerk, but for the long term. Maybe Russ learned a lesson from Marv/Dick on how not to handle UFA. you have a valid point
apuszczalowski Posted February 28, 2009 Posted February 28, 2009 Is free agency over? Yup Now they are DOOMED!!!!!!
apuszczalowski Posted February 28, 2009 Posted February 28, 2009 I agree with everything except for free agency...... We knew we were going to need to overpay in free agency to fill some crucial postitions and should have a couple of guys targeted......paid them...overpaid them if necessary and then moved on to the draft.... You know who looks like they did that? THE JETS They did the same thing last year and it didn't get them that much further ahead
Rico Posted February 28, 2009 Posted February 28, 2009 And then there is this... An off season by the line in 2008 and a big salary made Dockery a salary cap casualty Thursday. But strange things happened. The Bills didn't place Dockery on the waiver wire, and there had been interest by the Detroit Lions in acquiring him in a trade. Dockery flew to Detroit Friday for a visit and a physical. The Bills didn't get the paperwork in on a trade, so he was officially released Friday.
McD Posted February 28, 2009 Posted February 28, 2009 The Bills are right where they want to be in the FA mix. And, it aint good! They didn't want to spend big $$ and that was going to happen right away...so now they'll be content with settling for 2nd and 3rd rate guys on the cheap.
The Dean Posted February 28, 2009 Posted February 28, 2009 Not Jumping the Gun in Free Agency ... Good post. I don't agree with all of it, but it is good to see you can contribute without always finding a negative in everything.
BillsVet Posted February 28, 2009 Posted February 28, 2009 Good post. I don't agree with all of it, but it is good to see you can contribute without always finding a negative in everything. Dean, in all seriousness, what's there to be positive about after nine straight non-playoff seasons, the release of the biggest FA signing, a game sold to Toronto for five years, the star RB charged with 3 misdemeanors, holes at C, TE, OLB, DE, WR, LG, no GM, and the retention of one of the worst head coaches in the league? Negative, how can some of us not be? There's optimism, and then there's its distant cousin blind optimism. I can't speak for Dawgg, but there hasn't been a lot to hang your hat on in the last decade. I don't want the Bills wasting money, but until I see results on the field, it's hard to be optimistic about a franchise with a 60-84 record in the preceding 9 seasons.
Reed83HOF Posted February 28, 2009 Posted February 28, 2009 While I agree that there needs to be some restraint, they should have had their guys identified and be ready to go. All we have is a list of a few people coming in...Our OL sucked, again, last season but yet we only have 3 players under contract. We have plenty of holes to fill, but yet...nothing
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted February 28, 2009 Posted February 28, 2009 You guys accusing Dawgg of donning the rose-colored glasses are just a wee bit off the mark...
The Dean Posted February 28, 2009 Posted February 28, 2009 Dean, in all seriousness, what's there to be positive about after nine straight non-playoff seasons, the release of the biggest FA signing, a game sold to Toronto for five years, the star RB charged with 3 misdemeanors, holes at C, TE, OLB, DE, WR, LG, no GM, and the retention of one of the worst head coaches in the league? Negative, how can some of us not be? There's optimism, and then there's its distant cousin blind optimism. I can't speak for Dawgg, but there hasn't been a lot to hang your hat on in the last decade. I don't want the Bills wasting money, but until I see results on the field, it's hard to be optimistic about a franchise with a 60-84 record in the preceding 9 seasons. I would counter that there is informed criticism, and then there is mindless bashing. If you can't separate the negatives, from the positives...or even neutral aspects, then your analysis and opinion, are meaningless, IMO. When I read your posts, I can't believe the Bills won ANY games.
The Dean Posted February 28, 2009 Posted February 28, 2009 You guys accusing Dawgg of donning the rose-colored glasses are just a wee bit off the mark... He only puts those on when he's talking about the 49ers.
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