KRC Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 Well, to be fair, Mr. Kerry has a plan. The fact that he hasn't unveiled it for 19 years shouldn't matter at all. 95512[/snapback] This is what bothers me. Congress controls the purse-strings, not the President. Kerry was in a perfect situation to make meaningful changes to taxes and Social Security. What did he do? Now, all of a sudden, as President he will start doing the things he failed to do as Senator. Where were his fights on the floor of the Senate to keep Congress from raping SS? Sorry, but I just cannot buy into the crap coming from his campaign. When you sit down and think about it, it just does not add up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 I disagree. I feel money is very important in education. The more resources at the children's hands the better. (computers, internet, books, up to date classrooms) Research and my own personal experience show that less money in education = lower results than that of higher funding systems. 95515[/snapback] John Kerry and George W. Bush have among the most expensive educations one can attain... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 lol, sorry it has been a long day, but my point still applies! 95466[/snapback] What point, that I'm 48? Gee thanks....and I was getting depressed about being 38! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmac17 Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 The more resources at the children's hands the better. (computers, internet, books, up to date classrooms) Research and my own personal experience show that less money in education = lower results than that of higher funding systems. Wrong. Guess what school systems have and spend the most money? It's generally not the suburban ones. I've been in more schools with brand new computers that the stupid teachers can't even figure out how to turn on.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VabeachBledsoefan Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 Based on what? He's been a Senator for 19 years. Education has gotten worse over that time, not better. This is despite spending more money per student than any other nation. It has nothing to do with money - you pretty much said it yourself in an earlier thread when you stated you wished you had more parents that cared. Turning over the power to the government has made parents apathetic. Your candidate advocates even MORE of that. How does that fix the problem? What evidence is there that the educational "Ponzi scheme" is effective? John Gatto on Education There is alot of information to wade through. Take some time to hear the other side of the fence. 95505[/snapback] special education funding is up for re-authorization (IDEA)...Republicans want to fund it like NCLB was funded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 special education funding is up for re-authorization (IDEA)...Republicans want to fund it like NCLB was funded 95700[/snapback] Do you have an answer that doesn't come from a soundbyte? It'd be humorous if it weren't so pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VabeachBledsoefan Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 Wrong. Guess what school systems have and spend the most money? It's generally not the suburban ones. I've been in more schools with brand new computers that the stupid teachers can't even figure out how to turn on.... 95617[/snapback] I work in a very suburban upper middle class school are funding is above average Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VabeachBledsoefan Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 Do you have an answer that doesn't come from a soundbyte? It'd be humorous if it weren't so pathetic. 95708[/snapback] Do you have any idea what IDEA is???? well it has a great effect on special education Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 Do you have any idea what IDEA is???? well it has a great effect on special education 95713[/snapback] Individuals with Disabilities Education Act. Your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGTEleven Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 I work in a very suburban upper middle class school are funding is above average 95709[/snapback] I hope you're not in charge of teaching kids the meaning of "are" or "our". For that matter, punctuation is free. Use it at will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VabeachBledsoefan Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 Individuals with Disabilities Education Act. Your point? 95723[/snapback] you are quick on google!!!!!! but do you know what it encompasses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 you are quick on google!!!!!!but do you know what it encompasses 95729[/snapback] Yes, and I know that the Federal government promised 40% funding of the state's cost and that they aren't meeting even 50% of that obligation. Whoopie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 I hope you're not in charge of teaching kids the meaning of "are" or "our". For that matter, punctuation is free. Use it at will. 95726[/snapback] Just remember, he does that for our benefit and not because he hasn't got enough diplomas to wipe his arse with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VabeachBledsoefan Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 Yes, and I know that the Federal government promised 40% funding of the state's cost and that they aren't meeting even 50% of that obligation. Whoopie. 95732[/snapback] No you are talking about NCLB...not IDEA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 No you are talking about NCLB...not IDEA 95737[/snapback] I'm sure you'll be able to provide a link to disprove my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VabeachBledsoefan Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 I'm sure you'll be able to provide a link to disprove my post. 95740[/snapback] no, no need, IDEA has been extend til after elections...NCLB was a pile of stevestojan from inception Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 no, no need, IDEA has been extend til after elections...NCLB was a pile of stevestojan from inception 95744[/snapback] "In 1975, we in the Congress, authorized the Federal government to pay up to 40 percent of each state's excess cost of educating children with disabilities. It has been 26 years since we made that commitment and we have failed to keep our promise. We are currently providing only 16 percent out of the original 40 percent promise. Earlier this year, during Senate consideration of the ESEA bill, this body unanimously passed the Harkin-Hagel amendment that required Congress to fully fund IDEA through progressive annual increases. I am extremely disappointed that the final product we are considering today does not include this critical amendment." —Senator James M. Jeffords (I-VT), statement on the conference report to H.R. 1, the Elementary and Secondary Education Act, Tuesday, December 18, 2001 Thanks, and :I starred in Brokeback Mountain: Tell Teddy Kennedy and the rest of the bipartisan commission about your feelings on NCLB. Then keep repeating the soundbytes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VabeachBledsoefan Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 "In 1975, we in the Congress, authorized the Federal government to pay up to 40 percent of each state's excess cost of educating children with disabilities. It has been 26 years since we made that commitment and we have failed to keep our promise. We are currently providing only 16 percent out of the original 40 percent promise. Earlier this year, during Senate consideration of the ESEA bill, this body unanimously passed the Harkin-Hagel amendment that required Congress to fully fund IDEA through progressive annual increases. I am extremely disappointed that the final product we are considering today does not include this critical amendment." —Senator James M. Jeffords (I-VT), statement on the conference report to H.R. 1, the Elementary and Secondary Education Act, Tuesday, December 18, 2001 Thanks, and :I starred in Brokeback Mountain: Tell Teddy Kennedy and the rest of the bipartisan commission about your feelings on NCLB. Then keep repeating the soundbytes. 95746[/snapback] the king of cut and paste...well done...ahhhhh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Syracuse Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 typical anti-bush argument, focus on his speaking skills and not his actions, kinda like a flip-flopper I know 94634[/snapback] The guy allegedly graduated from Yale and flew fighters for the military. You don't find it odd that he speaks English worse than most illegal immigrants? Even if you support his policies, you have to admit that the guy is dumber than a box of rocks! "internets" wtf????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 The guy allegedly graduated from Yale and flew fighters for the military. You don't find it odd that he speaks English worse than most illegal immigrants? Even if you support his policies, you have to admit that the guy is dumber than a box of rocks! "internets" wtf????????? 95764[/snapback] There are other internets, Mike. SIPRNET is one example. I don't know how dumb he is, but I do know I can't stand to listen to him speak extemporaneously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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