UBinVA Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/0...chew_socia.html We truly live in strange times when a communist is tell America we must be less Socialist. And the funny thing is he is right. Putin is right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Putin isn't right. What we're seeing isn't socialism. As Obama stated, the only thing that can save us right now is the government. We simply can not help ourselves. Once the economy saves us, I'm sure they'll back off and leave us to our own again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UBinVA Posted February 20, 2009 Author Share Posted February 20, 2009 Putin isn't right. What we're seeing isn't socialism. As Obama stated, the only thing that can save us right now is the government. We simply can not help ourselves. Once the economy saves us, I'm sure they'll back off and leave us to our own again. You are a drone. The government can't do anything right. The more they get involved, the more they F up. This whole mess was started by the Gov. and their policies of liberal lending, forced over regulation of the mortgage industry, over spending and over taxing. The government hasn't produced one product and does not add any value to the GDP. If you do live in LA, just look at your state. It's a disaster, socially and fiscally. Just like Western New York. What do they both have in common, Democrats run the places. Read this article about our once great community and how we got their and then tell me this country is not headed for the same result. http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/02/the...ad_america.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 You are a drone. The government can't do anything right. The more they get involved, the more they F up. This whole mess was started by the Gov. and their policies of liberal lending, forced over regulation of the mortgage industry, over spending and over taxing. The government hasn't produced one product and does not add any value to the GDP. If you do live in LA, just look at your state. It's a disaster, socially and fiscally. Just like Western New York. What do they both have in common, Democrats run the places. Read this article about our once great community and how we got their and then tell me this country is not headed for the same result. http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/02/the...ad_america.html I guess LA was a bit too subtle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 You are a drone. The government can't do anything right. The more they get involved, the more they F up. This whole mess was started by the Gov. and their policies of liberal lending, forced over regulation of the mortgage industry, over spending and over taxing. The government hasn't produced one product and does not add any value to the GDP. If you do live in LA, just look at your state. It's a disaster, socially and fiscally. Just like Western New York. What do they both have in common, Democrats run the places. Read this article about our once great community and how we got their and then tell me this country is not headed for the same result. http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/02/the...ad_america.html Over regulating? Do not agree with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLflutie7 Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 You are a drone. The government can't do anything right. The more they get involved, the more they F up. This whole mess was started by the Gov. and their policies of liberal lending, forced over regulation of the mortgage industry, over spending and over taxing. The government hasn't produced one product and does not add any value to the GDP. If you do live in LA, just look at your state. It's a disaster, socially and fiscally. Just like Western New York. What do they both have in common, Democrats run the places. Read this article about our once great community and how we got their and then tell me this country is not headed for the same result. http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/02/the...ad_america.html This whole mess was started by big business. Not government. On CNBC, people on Wall Street keep coming on TV and they are blaming government. Now, tried of hearing it, the reporters are saying it was big business that created this mess, not government. If anything the government is bailing out business. A stimulus is like a tax refund or tax cut. I don't see much difference. Cutting taxes is an economic stimulus. Republican leaders have always given the rich economic stimulus by cuttting their taxes. The government is spending money by giving money back to the people because they already collected the money and now they are giving it back. If people are so up in arms about being "taxed to death" they should like gov't checks in the mail, like the checks Bush gave us, and companies can now say they never paid taxes on revenue because all the money gov't has given in the bailouts. In a sense they have never paid a dime in taxes. No gov't money no business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 He may have a bit more credibility if he didn't just spend one third of the country's reserves to prop up the rouble... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UBinVA Posted February 20, 2009 Author Share Posted February 20, 2009 This whole mess was started by big business. Not government. On CNBC, people on Wall Street keep coming on TV and they are blaming government. Now, tried of hearing it, the reporters are saying it was big business that created this mess, not government. If anything the government is bailing out business. A stimulus is like a tax refund or tax cut. I don't see much difference. Cutting taxes is an economic stimulus. Republican leaders have always given the rich economic stimulus by cuttting their taxes. The government is spending money by giving money back to the people because they already collected the money and now they are giving it back. If people are so up in arms about being "taxed to death" they should like gov't checks in the mail, like the checks Bush gave us, and companies can now say they never paid taxes on revenue because all the money gov't has given in the bailouts. In a sense they have never paid a dime in taxes. No gov't money no business. Where do you get your information Oh yeh, CBS, MSNBC, CNN? Please read this from Thomas DiLorenzo (professor of economics at Loyola College) http://mises.org/story/2963 Who do you trust more with your money, you or the government? How about YOU controlling how YOU spend YOUR money rather than the government dictating the spending of it. Remember, it's not the governments money, it's your money. If the government was a private business they would have been out of business years ago or in prison based on their total and utter incompetence. If you want to stimulate the economy now, put more in the hands of the people to either invest or spend it the way they please now via tax cuts not tax credits. Tax credits just give money to those who don;t pay it to being with. Having said that, tax cuts must be long term and permanent so small businesses like mine can plan and make business decisions based on a stable financial future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Where do you get your information Oh yeh, CBS, MSNBC, CNN? Please read this from Thomas DiLorenzo (professor of economics at Loyola College) http://mises.org/story/2963 Who do you trust more with your money, you or the government? How about YOU controlling how YOU spend YOUR money rather than the government dictating the spending of it. Remember, it's not the governments money, it's your money. If the government was a private business they would have been out of business years ago or in prison based on their total and utter incompetence. If you want to stimulate the economy now, put more in the hands of the people to either invest or spend it the way they please now via tax cuts not tax credits. Tax credits just give money to those who don;t pay it to being with. Having said that, tax cuts must be long term and permanent so small businesses like mine can plan and make business decisions based on a stable financial future. So you are under the belief that every company, every CEO will actually use those tax breaks to further their company and not use them to line their pockets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UBinVA Posted February 20, 2009 Author Share Posted February 20, 2009 So you are under the belief that every company, every CEO will actually use those tax breaks to further their company and not use them to line their pockets. Are you under the belief that all the "stimulus" money will be used for it's intended purpose and not line the pockets of Obama's political allies? I'm no friend of corrupt CEO's and they should go to jail just like Ebbers and Lay. Listen, people are in business for one thing, that is to make money. If CEO's line their pockets, then their market share will suffer and eventually will be run out of business or should go to jail if they break the law. Instead, the bad business practices these CEO's have been doing with the help of the federal government will not get bailed out by the same people that caused it to begin with. Look at the markets today. If Obama is doing the right thing, the markets certainly don't like it. Cut capital gains, cut corporate and individual tax rates and the economy will start to recover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Coli Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/0...chew_socia.html We truly live in strange times when a communist is tell America we must be less Socialist. And the funny thing is he is right. Putin is right! Putin is so off the hook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 I remember when the DOW losing 70 points in a day was -0.5%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalkie Gerzowski Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 I remember when the DOW losing 70 points in a day was -0.5%. what is it now, about 10%? well, give it time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 Putin isn't right. What we're seeing isn't socialism. As Obama stated, the only thing that can save us right now is the government. We simply can not help ourselves. Once the economy saves us, I'm sure they'll back off and leave us to our own again. That's right. Only the government can possibly fill in the hole that they've dug by continuing to dig... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StupidNation Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 This whole mess was started by big business. Not government. On CNBC, people on Wall Street keep coming on TV and they are blaming government. Now, tried of hearing it, the reporters are saying it was big business that created this mess, not government. If anything the government is bailing out business. A stimulus is like a tax refund or tax cut. I don't see much difference. Cutting taxes is an economic stimulus. Republican leaders have always given the rich economic stimulus by cuttting their taxes. The government is spending money by giving money back to the people because they already collected the money and now they are giving it back. If people are so up in arms about being "taxed to death" they should like gov't checks in the mail, like the checks Bush gave us, and companies can now say they never paid taxes on revenue because all the money gov't has given in the bailouts. In a sense they have never paid a dime in taxes. No gov't money no business. It was started by big gov't pushing big business. It wasn't the market, it was a deliberate attempt by the gov't to stimulate business by backing bad loans and forcing credit to the masses without free-market principles. Would you give a guy 100% financing with a 620 credit score without looking at their income? No one would, unless they could package it to the gov't. What made Fannie and Freddie so great was that it was gov't backed. No one minded the risk because they saw the gov't backing the loans. CNBC or MSNBC won't give you that view unless you watch Peter Schiff as a guest. Most of the "journalists" are nothing more than mouth-pieces of lies and misinformation. The free-market would never put the rates so low, and the rates wouldn't be so low today. There are still peaks and valleys in free-markets, but they aren't as bad as what we have now. Equity stripping is much greater and much worse with gov't backing because inflation is a tax on others and inflation is always worse than a recession and depression. Dollar crisis=loss of confidence in the market means people leave the market and money goes to other venues. We are doing nothing by attempting to re-inflate the bubble except destroying the dollar. You should probably get a more educated view, because so many throw out these lies of the "free-market" when we haven't had a free-market in 80 years. In the last 80 years gov't manipulated interest rates and dictates booms and busts. That's not a free-market. Compare the crash of 1920 to 1929. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 CNBC or MSNBC won't give you that view unless you watch Peter Schiff as a guest. Most of the "journalists" are nothing more than mouth-pieces of lies and misinformation. The free-market would never put the rates so low, and the rates wouldn't be so low today. Lost in the argument of whether it's the Gubmin'ts fault or Big Business fault, is the role CNBC, Fox Business Channel, etc played in all this. Keep reporting a company is going to fail, eventually the brokers will sell off their shares and the company will eventually fail. Their doom and gloom reporting of the greatest recession ever since the last one just fans the flames Self fulfilling prophecy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLflutie7 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Lost in the argument of whether it's the Gubmin'ts fault or Big Business fault, is the role CNBC, Fox Business Channel, etc played in all this. Keep reporting a company is going to fail, eventually the brokers will sell off their shares and the company will eventually fail. Their doom and gloom reporting of the greatest recession ever since the last one just fans the flames Self fulfilling prophecy You are correct sir! CNBC is a hype machine, just like ESPN, of the business world. And that hype goes both ways good and bad. They've been pumping the stock market so long and contributed so much to the stock market boom it's crazy. I think the internet stock boom and crash of the 90s and the housing boom of late was created in part by CNBC. These CEOs became celebrities in their own little world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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