why are fans excited about the draft

[thebandit27]

As you can see I didn't initiate any of this stuff, but I'm certainly not going to stand by and take any crap from that JP fan boy.

 

Dude, Poland, you can't go playing the innocent card here. Practically every one of your posts contains something aimed at provoking an argument out of those whose opinions differ from yours. You are apparently incapable of making your argument without insulting somebody, so you can't expect others to take that lightly.

 

That said, I personally get excited about the draft because it's a lot of fun to see guys that have worked hard for their entire lives get rewarded with a ticket to the big time. It's equally exciting to see how each team attempts to improve their chances from year to year, and it's always cool to see how the drama of who goes to what team plays out. Sorry you don't see it the same way, it can make for a great Saturday afternoon event. Maybe you should try playing a draft drinking game, like take a sip every time Mel Kiper says "value" or Ron Jaworski says "mechanics".

 

Just a thought...

[Poland]

Still waiting Poland.

No I don't buy into hanging this on coaching.

I really don't believe Jauron's coaching is so bad that he ruins 1st round picks.

Could a coach cause a borderline player to fail?

Maybe, but 1st rounders that are projected to be among the best in the draft, no.

Fans that believe that Jauron ruined Losman for example have another guess coming.

Losman will never be anything other than you saw here in Buffalo.

 

As far as budgets go, they spent top dollar on some of these free agents and failed.

They probably don't sign as many free agents as other teams but I'm talking about the ones they did sign for top dollar.

Did they get value in these offensive linemen they picked up as free agents?

[Alphadawg7]

Modrak has been here since june 2001 .

He wasn't here when they drafted nate clements, see you don't have a clue.

Winfield, same thing...Modrak wasn't here...oops... again you don't have a clue, but you run your trap.

 

Here's a rundown of the 1st round picks since Modrak has been with the Bills:

 

2002 mike williams- huge bust

2003 willis mcgahee- a retard and a bust

2004 losman- a retard and the Bills biggest ever draft bust

2004 evans- he got one right

2005- no 1st round pick

2006- whitner- picked a very average safety 8th overall, passed on cutler, huge f*** up

2006- mccargo- epic bust has hardly seen the field except from the sidelines

2007 lynch- a retard and a 4 ypc runner, real yawner of a pick

2008 mckelvin- looks like he might be a player, we'll see

 

Now that you have been given your lesson and learned that you don't have a clue, do you still think Modrak has a good track record?

 

Im a retard? Your player analysis is retarted and thank god you are not in our front office...First off, looking back at a draft you can always nit pick and say this or that.

 

McGahee is a Pro Bowl running back and has been pretty productive in his career. Just because your panties are all in a wad over his dislike for Buffalo, doesnt mean he hasnt been productive. Pain in the rear his last year in Buffalo sure, but he isnt a bust.

 

Losman - Has been handled terrible here and never developed...so I would label it a busted pick even though I think he could have been better handled.

 

Evans no where near a bust

 

Whitner - Just because you like Cutler over Whitner doesnt make him a bust. Whitner is an up and coming safety in this league and a pretty good safety already. He has some stuff to work on still, but no way a bust. Taking a QB is no rocket science, and in fact, Leinart was graded higher than Cutler to show that its easy to look back now and say should have could have. Four players taken ahead of Whitner are TRUE busts to this point...

 

McCargo - Bust to this point...

 

Lynch - This is where your retard instincts really took over...not even worth addressing your comments as they are about as dumb as I have seen on this board

 

McKelvin - Has shown to be everything he was billed to be...

 

You left off Poz who is clearly not a bust

 

So, the only BUSTS are Williams (who had everyone fooled, not just us dumb azz), Losman and McCargo. All the other picks have been good to great picks. Thats a pretty good track record over that time frame, and one not many teams can match. So save your drama queen antics about how our draft history in the first rounds.

 

You dont even know what a bust is...thats the sad part. In your mind if they are not an Elite player they are a bust which is about as dumb as your post.

[Poland]

Dude, Poland, you can't go playing the innocent card here. Practically every one of your posts contains something aimed at provoking an argument out of those whose opinions differ from yours. You are apparently incapable of making your argument without insulting somebody, so you can't expect others to take that lightly.

 

That said, I personally get excited about the draft because it's a lot of fun to see guys that have worked hard for their entire lives get rewarded with a ticket to the big time. It's equally exciting to see how each team attempts to improve their chances from year to year, and it's always cool to see how the drama of who goes to what team plays out. Sorry you don't see it the same way, it can make for a great Saturday afternoon event. Maybe you should try playing a draft drinking game, like take a sip every time Mel Kiper says "value" or Ron Jaworski says "mechanics".

 

Just a thought...

Wait one second here.

You show me in this thread where I initiated any personal attacks.

 

 

What you insist on doing is lying and having it accepted as fact, so I will be waiting.

Show me this sequence.

[Alphadawg7]

Poland, I think you are giving Modrak a bad rap when it comes to the Bills drafts. Wasn't it Modrak that recommended that we draft Cutler only to be underminded by our then GM Marv Levy and selected a DB. I also remember the McGahee pick being solely the selection of Tom Donahoe. Modrak when having the final say in selecting talent has proven to be very good. Remember the job he did in Philly. With him finally being in control of the Bills draft this year, let's see what type of job he does.

 

good points...

[San Jose Bills Fan]

Well Poland I know you're a busy man so I'll keep this short.

 

You posted with regard to Modrak/Bills drafts/Bills sucking that:

 

"As far as budgets go, they spent top dollar on some of these free agents and failed.

They probably don't sign as many free agents as other teams but I'm talking about the ones they did sign for top dollar.

Did they get value in these offensive linemen they picked up as free agents?"

 

Just so you know, and maybe you forgot, Modrak is in charge of the college scouting.

 

John Guy is responsible for pro scouting (ie-free agency).

 

So if you are stating that failure in free agency is part of the reason the Bills suck, that's not on Modrak.

[Poland]

Im a retard? Your player analysis is retarted and thank god you are not in our front office...First off, looking back at a draft you can always nit pick and say this or that.

 

McGahee is a Pro Bowl running back and has been pretty productive in his career. Just because your panties are all in a wad over his dislike for Buffalo, doesnt mean he hasnt been productive. Pain in the rear his last year in Buffalo sure, but he isnt a bust.

 

Losman - Has been handled terrible here and never developed...so I would label it a busted pick even though I think he could have been better handled.

 

Evans no where near a bust

 

Whitner - Just because you like Cutler over Whitner doesnt make him a bust. Whitner is an up and coming safety in this league and a pretty good safety already. He has some stuff to work on still, but no way a bust. Taking a QB is no rocket science, and in fact, Leinart was graded higher than Cutler to show that its easy to look back now and say should have could have. Four players taken ahead of Whitner are TRUE busts to this point...

 

McCargo - Bust to this point...

 

Lynch - This is where your retard instincts really took over...not even worth addressing your comments as they are about as dumb as I have seen on this board

 

McKelvin - Has shown to be everything he was billed to be...

 

You left off Poz who is clearly not a bust

 

So, the only BUSTS are Williams (who had everyone fooled, not just us dumb azz), Losman and McCargo. All the other picks have been good to great picks. Thats a pretty good track record over that time frame, and one not many teams can match. So save your drama queen antics about how our draft history in the first rounds.

 

You dont even know what a bust is...thats the sad part. In your mind if they are not an Elite player they are a bust which is about as dumb as your post.

First all you don't know how to read, I don't see anywhere in there where I called you a retard.

But maybe you're right, maybe you are, because you don't know how to read that's for sure.

[Poland]

Well Poland I know you're a busy man so I'll keep this short.

 

You posted with regard to Modrak/Bills drafts/Bills sucking that:

 

"As far as budgets go, they spent top dollar on some of these free agents and failed.

They probably don't sign as many free agents as other teams but I'm talking about the ones they did sign for top dollar.

Did they get value in these offensive linemen they picked up as free agents?"

 

Just so you know, and maybe you forgot, Modrak is in charge of the college scouting.

 

John Guy is responsible for pro scouting (ie-free agency).

 

So if you are stating that failure in free agency is part of the reason the Bills suck, that's not on Modrak.

Yeah I'm fully aware of that but if you read the OP you'll see that I made a general statement regarding the FO.

[Poland]

Why don't you just leave this forum? You obviously feel the bills are terrible, and hate the team.

Wht don't you, I don't want you here.

[Poland]

Nice try - you didn't check out anything. You didn't have to - you've been here all along.

You didn't have to include an accussion along with your admission.

[Poland]

I AGREE---What annoys me with the Bills braintrust is that they allowed Modrak to reside full time on Florida and not even live in the community of the team he represents.

 

There's information that he inherently misses by NOT being around co-workers/players on a regular basis. Theres a level of trust I'm sure players and other management do not have when they dont really know or see a co-worker. This lack of visiblity creates a lack of candor, honesty and trust that has to effect the team adversely. If he is not commited enough to commit to the team why is the team commited to him-T

 

HE BOTTOM LINE: He is the one consistent factor the Bills still have from the loser era begining with the other TOM, Tom Donahoe. Give me a break. The record speaks for itself-we didnt even pursue a Center , a known position of need last year, and Bill Polians (ex-Bills) team started a rookie from the University of BUFFALO-the Bills didnt even see a need to bring in a free agent at the worst position on the O-Line-beautiful! Great job Modrak! lets increase his control!

Right I see no reason to promote the Modrak.

And I don't any good reason to put Russ Brandon in there, what's his background?

I guess with Brandon it's not a must to have a football background, but beyond that the guy doesn't impress me as being very sharp on the occassions I've heard him at the podium.

 

Supposedly what I am being told is that Modrak made all the right calls and was overridden.

That could be, but I can't imagine how fans would be privvy to that, it's not like the team would announce it, and Modrak would cut his own throat if he himself tried to undermine anyone above him by talking about it to the press.

[Bill from NYC]

So, the only BUSTS are Williams (who had everyone fooled, not just us dumb azz), Losman and McCargo. All the other picks have been good to great picks.

 

They waited 1 year and 4 games for MaGahee to take the field because of an injury that they were fully aware of. The Bills were extremely weak at OG. I was screaming for Steinbach who they of coursde passed on. Whitner is a pretty good safety who plays a mile back in the cover-2. Ngata was there, as were Mangold and Davin Joseph. I mention these guys because we sucked at their positions, and according to Marv Levy there were multiple trade down offers. Instead, we took Whitner with the #8.

 

Were these good or great picks? I am not being a wiseass either. I want you to please explain your opinion, with which I strongly disagree.

[Poland]

good points...

No one can rely on that information.

[thebandit27]

Wait one second here.

You show me in this thread where I initiated any personal attacks.

 

 

What you insist on doing is lying and having it accepted as fact, so I will be waiting.

Show me this sequence.

 

I'm shocked that you'd resort to calling me an insistant liar, and my guess is that you did so after reading a whole 1 of my posts. Aren't you at least a little embarrassed that you just shoot from the hip and insult people like that? I mean, honestly, think about the exchange there:

 

Me: "Poland, you're a pretty confrontational dude, you probably shouldn't try to play the innocent game. And by the way, if you find draft day boring, try a drinking game."

 

You: "You constantly lie."

 

Not that I really care, I'm just always curious how people like you think. Regardless, instead of trying to insult your character (which is ludicrous considering we don't know each other), I'll just question you regarding your (hopefully momentary) lack of reading comprehension instead. What I said was that every one of your posts contains something aimed at provoking an argument (it's stupid to enjoy the draft becaus Modrak sucks, anyone with a clue knows Jackson is better than Lynch, Lynch is a "yawner" of a running back, etc.), if that doesn't sound like someone looking for an argument to you, well then, I guess your writing tone belies itself. However, I'm pretty sure you know your own motive, which you once again demonstrated in your childish backlash to me. Never once did I mention personal attacks, I just pointed out that you consistently demonstrate an argumentative tone. You responded by calling me a liar who expects his lies to be accepted as fact. I have no idea where you'd come up with that, but hey, in an internet forum you have the freedom to say garbage like that without having to be held accountable.

 

Your continued belligerence in the face of anyone that disagrees with your over-the-top belly-aching is truly exhausting, and it completely detracts from any intelligent point you may present. You might choose to think about that instead of being confrontational all the time.

[Thurman#1]

If you look at the track record of the Bills draft with Modrak, it makes no sense for Bills fans to invest a whole lot of time discussing the draft.

 

Being that the Bills do a shoddy job of evaluating NFL free agents who have already spent years in the league, it's almost expected that they're not going to excel at projecting what college players will do in the NFL.

If they cannot gauge the ability of an NFL player how are they going to gauge they ability of a college player in the NFL?

And their track record shows exactly that, it sucks.

Worse yet they now have a guy in the gm role who has no business being there.

 

If this team happens upon a good 1st round pick this year it will be by pure accident because it's obvious by now that they don't have clue one.

 

 

 

Yeah, they do a terrible job of evaluating pro players we could get. Stroud, Dockery, Mitchell, and Langston Walker have all been excellent ... wait, what was your argument again? Oh, I thought for a minute it might make sense.

 

Silly me. Any post that assumes that the poster knows squat about what Modrak has said about any prospect simply makes no sense. Nobody knows who makes the decisions. Nobody knows what Modrak has said. About the only thing we know is what Ralph said, which is that Modrak really lobbied hard for Cutler. Which would have been a sensational move.

[Kenwick]

Modrak has been here since june 2001 .

He wasn't here when they drafted nate clements, see you don't have a clue.

Winfield, same thing...Modrak wasn't here...oops... again you don't have a clue, but you run your trap.

 

Here's a rundown of the 1st round picks since Modrak has been with the Bills:

 

2002 mike williams- huge bust

2003 willis mcgahee- a retard and a bust

2004 losman- a retard and the Bills biggest ever draft bust

2004 evans- he got one right

2005- no 1st round pick

2006- whitner- picked a very average safety 8th overall, passed on cutler, huge f*** up

2006- mccargo- epic bust has hardly seen the field except from the sidelines

2007 lynch- a retard and a 4 ypc runner, real yawner of a pick

2008 mckelvin- looks like he might be a player, we'll see

 

Now that you have been given your lesson and learned that you don't have a clue, do you still think Modrak has a good track record?

 

IN 2002 thru 2005 I believe Tom Donahoe ruled with a iron hand. He made the final decisions and was fired for his incompetancy.

 

In 2006 an 2007 I believe Marv Levy and Ralph Wilson made the final decisions on the first two picks in the draft

In 2008 Ralph Wilson decided on the first two picks.......

 

Where was Tom Modrak all this time? Why sitting on the sidelines setting up the draft table with his scouts and playing second fiddle.

 

Now he is in the inncircle and supossed to be in charge of F.A. and the draft. I still believe Ralph will make the first two picks ......

 

We still will not get a pro bowl pick I bettcha......

[Magox]

NO I don't see.

First of all Kenneth Davis' career average is 4.3 ypc so I don't know where you got that stat.

 

Secondly we need to compared their stats when they were both with the Buffalo Bills,

from 1989 to 1994

 

Thomas 4.4 ypc

Davis 4.2 ypc

 

Thurman Thomas

1989 BUF 16 298 1244 4.2

1990 BUF 16 271 1297 4.8

1991 BUF 15 288 1407 4.9

1992 BUF 16 312 1487 4.8

1993 BUF 16 355 1315 3.7

1994 BUF 15 287 1093 3.8

 

TOTALS 1802 7843 4.4

 

 

Kenneth Davis

1989 BUF 16 29 149 5.1

1990 BUF 16 64 302 4.7

1991 BUF 16 129 624 4.8

1992 BUF 16 139 613 4.4

1993 BUF 16 109 391 3.6

1994 BUF 16 91 381 4.2

 

TOTALS 561 2360 4.2

 

 

SEE ?

 

 

Thomas had, Kent Hull, Howard Ballard, Richter, Jim Kelly, Andre Reed, Mckeller, Metzellars

 

big difference.

 

You get that right?

 

SEE

[NewEra]

If you look at the track record of the Bills draft with Modrak, it makes no sense for Bills fans to invest a whole lot of time discussing the draft.

 

Being that the Bills do a shoddy job of evaluating NFL free agents who have already spent years in the league, it's almost expected that they're not going to excel at projecting what college players will do in the NFL.

If they cannot gauge the ability of an NFL player how are they going to gauge they ability of a college player in the NFL?

And their track record shows exactly that, it sucks.

Worse yet they now have a guy in the gm role who has no business being there.

 

If this team happens upon a good 1st round pick this year it will be by pure accident because it's obvious by now that they don't have clue one.

 

Why do you even bother posting this trash. Get a clue mang.

[San-O]

Hmmm...so Lee Evans and Lynch are all lousy picks and they dont have a clue? I mean, they are our two most talented offensive players, and maybe the two most talented on our squad and they are first round picks. Whitner and Poz are pretty good too...what about McKelvin? Nate Clements? Winfield? Hmm...all were good early pick players...

 

Seems the only one who doesnt have a clue here are the posters who say stuff like this...

 

 

Evans, 63 catches and 3 TDs? Big deal.

 

Lynch, I wouldn't spend too much time propping him right now.

 

Are Whitner and Poz really anything more than average NFL players?

[thebandit27]

Evans, 63 catches and 3 TDs? Big deal.

 

Lynch, I wouldn't spend too much time propping him right now.

 

Are Whitner and Poz really anything more than average NFL players?

 

Hang on there, dude:

 

Evans had more receiving yards in 2008 than TJ Houshmandzedah and Wes Welker, both of whom made the pro bowl. He also had 1 fewer TD catch than Housh and the same number of TD receptions as Welker. Top it off with the fact that Evans has better career numbers than Andre Reed had through his 5th season, and Reed had a Hall of Fame QB throwing to him.

 

I'd call that a big deal, wouldn't you?