The Poojer Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 the viagra one is easy to explain...its a medical condition that requires medicine to be able to do what grown-ups do, the doritos one is a bit trickier....i basically tell my kids, that sometimes things are shown to adults to get their attention and that it isnt always appropriate....i try not to hide it from them, but do my best to side step specifics.....thats just me though...and thankfully, i have 3 boys....no girls..... I can understand how parents feel, even though I am not one. How would you like to explain to your 7 year old while watching the Daytona 500 what Viagra is? Or why the pretty girl in the Doritos Super Bowl commercial lost her clothes? Believe me, I'm no prude, but I think that many of these commercials are in bad taste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckeyemike Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 the viagra one is easy to explain...its a medical condition that requires medicine to be able to do what grown-ups do, the doritos one is a bit trickier....i basically tell my kids, that sometimes things are shown to adults to get their attention and that it isnt always appropriate....i try not to hide it from them, but do my best to side step specifics.....thats just me though...and thankfully, i have 3 boys....no girls..... And what is it that grown-ups do, Pooj? Personally, I think it would be a LOT harder to raise girls than boys...girls are constantly bombarded with conflicting messages about weight, size, sex, etc....it goes on and on and I believe there are more consequences for girls messing up than there are for boys. Flame away if you disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 And what is it that grown-ups do, Pooj? Personally, I think it would be a LOT harder to raise girls than boys...girls are constantly bombarded with conflicting messages about weight, size, sex, etc....it goes on and on and I believe there are more consequences for girls messing up than there are for boys. Flame away if you disagree. Well the easiest situation would be a child that was a girl until the age of 12, and then turned into a boy when it was a teenager and into the college years. Then it turned into a woman again and had a couple of grandchildren for you, then turned back into a man at the age of 30 and watched football with you until you died. On second thought, that'd be pretty messed up. But still very convenient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 and then turned into a boy when it was a teenager and into the college years. I like your scenario except for the above section. God has yet to invent a gender that is not a complete idiot during these years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted February 16, 2009 Author Share Posted February 16, 2009 Well the easiest situation would be a child that was a girl until the age of 12, and then turned into a boy when it was a teenager and into the college years. Then it turned into a woman again and had a couple of grandchildren for you, then turned back into a man at the age of 30 and watched football with you until you died. On second thought, that'd be pretty messed up. But still very convenient. I am worried about you for coming up with this line of thought .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 I can understand how parents feel, even though I am not one. How would you like to explain to your 7 year old while watching the Daytona 500 what Viagra is? Or why the pretty girl in the Doritos Super Bowl commercial lost her clothes? Believe me, I'm no prude, but I think that many of these commercials are in bad taste. Here's how I explain it to my 7 year old daughter. "Viagara is a drug that helps people who are having trouble having sex have sex." BFD. It's just the facts. RE the Doritos commercial (which she saw): "Lots of men like to see women naked and that's what he was wishing for." Again, BFD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Here's how I explain it to my 7 year old daughter. "Viagara is a drug that helps people who are having trouble having sex have sex." BFD. It's just the facts. RE the Doritos commercial (which she saw): "Lots of men like to see women naked and that's what he was wishing for." Again, BFD. Yes, but unfortunately we live an a society where "Protecting our children" has become synonymous with "Lying to our children in order to avoid difficult, yet completely innocent, conversations". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Personally, I think it would be a LOT harder to raise girls than boys...girls are constantly bombarded with conflicting messages about weight, size, sex, etc....it goes on and on and I believe there are more consequences for girls messing up than there are for boys. I agree. Two of the most prevalent diseases today among teenage girls is anorexia and bulimia, it's just not reported. Sad part is, some insurance companies don't consider them a disease and refuse to pay for treatment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 I agree. Two of the most prevalent diseases today among teenage girls is anorexia and bulimia, it's just not reported. Sad part is, some insurance companies don't consider them a disease and refuse to pay for treatment. Ok, I don't want to sound insensitive, but there are millions of people out there in the world who barely have the resources to feed themselves every couple of days, and many of those people (including children) starve to death. And I'm supposed to feel bad for privileged girls from the suburbs who REFUSE to eat because of body image problems? Yeah, advertisements have created unhealthy ideals and everything but if these girls are dumb enough to blindly follow those ideals like lemmings, I don't see why they are deserving of pity. There's such a thing as free will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Ok, I don't want to sound insensitive, but there are millions of people out there in the world who barely have the resources to feed themselves every couple of days, and many of those people (including children) starve to death. And I'm supposed to feel bad for privileged girls from the suburbs who REFUSE to eat because of body image problems? Yeah, advertisements have created unhealthy ideals and everything but if these girls are dumb enough to blindly follow those ideals like lemmings, I don't see why they are deserving of pity. There's such a thing as free will. Wow... I bet you think that alcoholics should just not buy and drink beer too, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Wow... I bet you think that alcoholics should just not buy and drink beer too, right? My family has a pretty significant history of alcoholism, so I'm not separated from this issue. Having said that, I'm sorry, if the cure to your disease is eating a sandwich or not drinking beer, I don't consider it a disease. There is a difference between a disease and an addiction. An addiction can be solved with will power, no matter how hard it may be. Withdrawal is a horrible thing, but people DO quit their addictions cold turkey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 My family has a pretty significant history of alcoholism, so I'm not separated from this issue. Having said that, I'm sorry, if the cure to your disease is eating a sandwich or not drinking beer, I don't consider it a disease. There is a difference between a disease and an addiction. An addiction can be solved with will power, no matter how hard it may be. Withdrawal is a horrible thing, but people DO quit their addictions cold turkey. But there's scientific proof that alcoholism is a disease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 there is also scientific proof that chronic fatigue syndrome is a disease.....i call it lazy...flame away, but i get where sage is coming from....i do not completely agree, but do see where he is coming from But there's scientific proof that alcoholism is a disease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 there is also scientific proof that chronic fatigue syndrome is a disease.....i call it lazy...flame away, but i get where sage is coming from....i do not completely agree, but do see where he is coming from Is your cure for depression to simply start smiling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 it helps.. Is your cure for depression to simply start smiling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 it helps.. Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Wow. Do you disagree that it helps? I'm no doctor, but I suspect a positive outlook is capable of doing things that pills can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Do you disagree that it helps? I'm no doctor, but I suspect a positive outlook is capable of doing things that pills can't. Yes, I disagree 100%. Clinical depression is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain. Simply telling someone to "smile more" isn't going to do crap. But it seems that you and Pooj only believe in diseases that you can physically see. "Your throat is enflamed, you have strep," or, "Your bone is broken, let's put it in a cast!" Good thing neither of your are care givers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Yes, I disagree 100%. Clinical depression is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain. Simply telling someone to "smile more" isn't going to do crap. But it seems that you and Pooj only believe in diseases that you can physically see. "Your throat is enflamed, you have strep," or, "Your bone is broken, let's put it in a cast!" Good thing neither of your are care givers. Any good psychologist or psychiatrist will tell you that non-medical treatments for depression can be just as, if not more, valuable than medical treatments. Therapy, counselling, support from family and friends, thinking positive (and yes, that includes smiling) all do wonders. Yes, pills are necessary a lot of the time, but saying that you "disagree 100%" that smiling more can help is just foolish. And would you please hold off on the Straw Man logic, it isn't fooling anybody. You turned "I don't believe anorexia and alcoholism are diseases" into "I only believe in diseases that you can physically see". Maybe I just have a different interpretation of the word disease than you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantstopbeastmode Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 My family has a pretty significant history of alcoholism, so I'm not separated from this issue. Having said that, I'm sorry, if the cure to your disease is eating a sandwich or not drinking beer, I don't consider it a disease. There is a difference between a disease and an addiction. An addiction can be solved with will power, no matter how hard it may be. Withdrawal is a horrible thing, but people DO quit their addictions cold turkey. Thank you! I always hate smoking "quitters." Your not actually quitting if you're still smoking. Sure, you may be addicted, but if you quit, you quit. All you have to do is not buy them anymore. The act of buying them itself shows you simply aren't a quitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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