ieatcrayonz Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 I won't speak for BF here, but I could easily dog Republicans just as well as Democrats as I have not ties to either fruity little club. But there's plenty of posters here who already hate on the Republicans (PJ, nozzlenut, johnny coolaid, etc) while giving the members of their own fruity little club a free pass So why repeat what's already been said? But let's get to the root of you're problem. You're just frustrated I haven't been logging into GLB to train Mecha Streisand Don't bring me into this. I have not been involved in this thread at all. Plus I am not that political, but I would like to read the bill so I can figure out how to take money from the losers who receive it. Do you have a link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 How the !@#$ did you get that out of his post? Or even infer it? His previous posting history, oh and did you miss the question mark? I asked him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 If you think my post was "go Republicans", you're completely and utterly incorrect. They did the same, exact, idiotic thing not that long ago. Feel free to search the forum, I've gone off on both sides. I've been dogging liberals every chance I get lately because I disagree with a lot of what Obama is doing, and let's face it, he's been the popular one of the past year and a half. I have read a lot of your posts. They used to be more objective IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StupidNation Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 TARP was a good idea, and still is. The way the money was implemented was the bad idea. We have no idea where that money went. TARP was not a good idea, and since when has spending been given that wasn't abused through the gov't? That's the problem Kelly, and if the private sector did the same thing they would be laughed to scorn. The real "free-marketers" aren't helped in the least and have to use innovation to survive and keep the country solvent. Everyone else is like a parasite on the innovative and profitable companies. How will TARP solve that? We got into this mess with gov't and more gov't is not going to solve it. Guaranteeing debt was the problem to begin with and making more guarantees and re-inflating the bubble is not the solution, but the principle of the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted February 7, 2009 Author Share Posted February 7, 2009 Here is the list of what they cut out. They eliminated a ton of the pork, probably most of it. There are a few things that I personally would have preferred to still be in there, and some of it may be returned, but it got out a lot of the unnecessary crap that the House Dems stuck in. Partially cut: • $3.5 billion for energy-efficient federal buildings (original bill $7 billion) • $75 million from Smithsonian (original bill $150 million) • $200 million from Environmental Protection Agency Superfund (original bill $800 million) • $100 million from National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (original bill $427 million) • $100 million from law enforcement wireless (original bill $200 million) • $300 million from federal fleet of hybrid vehicles (original bill $600 million) • $100 million from FBI construction (original bill $400 million) Fully eliminated • $55 million for historic preservation • $122 million for new Coast Guard polar icebreaker/cutters • $100 million for Farm Service Agency modernization • $50 million for CSERES research • $65 million for watershed rehabilitation • $30 million for SD salaries • $100 million for distance learning • $98 million for school nutrition • $50 million for aquaculture • $2 billion for broadband • $100 million for NIST • $50 million for detention trustee • $25 million for Marshalls Construction • $300 million for federal prisons • $300 million for BYRNE Formula • $140 million for BYRNE Competitive • $10 million state and local law enforcement • $50 million for NASA • $50 million for aeronautics • $50 million for exploration • $50 million for Cross Agency Support • $200 million for National Science Foundation • $100 million for science • $1 billion for Energy Loan Guarantees • $4.5 billion for GSA • $89 million GSA operations • $50 million from DHS • $200 million TSA • $122 million for Coast Guard Cutters, modifies use • $25 million for Fish and Wildlife • $55 million for historic preservation • $20 million for working capital fund • $165 million for Forest Service capital improvement • $90 million for State and Private Wildlife Fire Management • $1 billion for Head Start/Early Start • $5.8 billion for Health Prevention Activity • $2 billion for HIT Grants • $600 million for Title I (NCLB) • $16 billion for school construction • $3.5 billion for higher education construction • $1.25 billion for project based rental • $2.25 billion for Neighborhood Stabilization advertisement • $1.2 billion for retrofitting Project 8 housing • $40 billion for state fiscal stabilization (includes $7.5 billion of state incentive grants) http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/07/sti...cuts/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted February 7, 2009 Author Share Posted February 7, 2009 TARP was not a good idea, and since when has spending been given that wasn't abused through the gov't? That's the problem Kelly, and if the private sector did the same thing they would be laughed to scorn. The real "free-marketers" aren't helped in the least and have to use innovation to survive and keep the country solvent. Everyone else is like a parasite on the innovative and profitable companies. How will TARP solve that? We got into this mess with gov't and more gov't is not going to solve it. Guaranteeing debt was the problem to begin with and making more guarantees and re-inflating the bubble is not the solution, but the principle of the problem. The private sector is the one that fukked the government here, not the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StupidNation Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 So Republicans are the way to go? Is that your stance? I will speak clearly here, I think both parties suck and are willing to play the "game" as long as we let them get away with it. We shouldn't let them get away with it. Play your partisan games though. Does it make you feel all snuggly when you go to bed? True conservativism is the way to go, not Republicanism. Republicans have not been truly "conservative", except in small parts, in a long time. I have not heard a Republican in a position of power who was for civil liberties, small government, destroying unConstitutional programs, restoring the free market, and bringing back liberty who had any authority to make a change in this country in almost 150 years. Goldwater was close. The person with the most power who held views closest mine since then was Robert Taft, and the Republicans sand-bagged him twice in the presidential race because he was too "conservative". The thing to do is to let the markets determine the value of the debt, not re-inflating it while causing an inflationary nightmare. Recessions and depressions are nothing in comparison with runaway inflation. Republicans by and large are not small government, they are not civil liberties, and they are not for the free-market, but managed trade with agreements destroying American workers. In the 6 years they were in power they did think American first, but let me be the first to say that the Democrats in this country do not love anything this country was founded on. They are so abhorrent I cannot understand how anyone would support them unless they get free money, or some member of their family does, or they are flat out jealous of others. Political liberalism is a parasite on what exists and seeks to expand power by increasing dependence knowing that people backed into the corner will vote away responsibility to the collective "they". The rich who promote liberalism are the hypocrites who want the programs with the CPAs making sure they pay the least possible to those programs. I'm all for helping others, but only out of self-initiative and charity. People weren't dying in the streets before welfare. If you study the history and gov't leaks of what happened they purposely did so to undermine society and control it. Marx wasn't wrong when he said democracies will all turn socialist eventually. I don't believe in democracy and never have. I don't believe in 2 parties, and I don't believe that voting or having partisan ideologies, over principled ideologies, has any place in government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StupidNation Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 The private sector is the one that fukked the government here, not the other way around. It shows how little you know. Congrats, you've just repeated the party lie... oops, the party line. Show me how the private sector screwed the gov't. I'll bet you $1,000 to your $1 I'll rip you apart on your cheap arguments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Republicans by and large are not small government, they are not civil liberties, and they are not for the free-market, but managed trade with agreements destroying American workers. In the 6 years they were in power they did think American first, but let me be the first to say that the Democrats in this country do not love anything this country was founded on. They are so abhorrent I cannot understand how anyone would support them unless they get free money, or some member of their family does, or they are flat out jealous of others. Political liberalism is a parasite on what exists and seeks to expand power by increasing dependence knowing that people backed into the corner will vote away responsibility to the collective "they". The rich who promote liberalism are the hypocrites who want the programs with the CPAs making sure they pay the least possible to those programs. I would suggest that the biggest difference between Democrats and Republicans is who they're giving money to. The Democrats seem to prefer giving money to poor/low income people, primarily. While the Republicans seem to prefer giving money to to the wealthy/high income people, primarily. But, both seem to be redistributing wealth. Either way, thanks to lobbyists and life long congressmen/women, the federal government has become pretty much nothing but money machine. It's just that every know and again the people getting their hands on the money change. I find it interesting that we rushed the TARP legislation through because we had to help the banks and what not. They got several hundred billion dollars with little accountability - AIG was paid 2.7 times their stocks value. And the Republicans have said little about that. Now, the Dems want to give several hundred billion to everyone else, and we have to slow down and think about it. (note: I'm not taking one side or the other here and saying one's right or wrong, I'm just making an observation.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finknottle Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 I would suggest that the biggest difference between Democrats and Republicans is who they're giving money to. The Democrats seem to prefer giving money to poor/low income people, primarily. While the Republicans seem to prefer giving money to to the wealthy/high income people, primarily. But, both seem to be redistributing wealth. I would suggest it is language. Democrats prefer giving money to poor/low income people. Fine. Republicans *would like to see less of their money taken and used for this purpose.* Show me where money is given to the wealthy, as opposed to having less of it taken from them. Is there a wealthy dude tax credit out there that I don't know about? If you can't show me where money is given to the rich, then perhaps you ought to revise your language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 I would suggest it is language. Democrats prefer giving money to poor/low income people. Fine. Republicans *would like to see less of their money taken and used for this purpose.* Show me where money is given to the wealthy, as opposed to having less of it taken from them. Is there a wealthy dude tax credit out there that I don't know about? If you can't show me where money is given to the rich, then perhaps you ought to revise your language. I suppose that whole TARP $350billion thing was just in my head. I apologize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Here is the list of what they cut out. They eliminated a ton of the pork, probably most of it. There are a few things that I personally would have preferred to still be in there, and some of it may be returned, but it got out a lot of the unnecessary crap that the House Dems stuck in. • $3.5 billion for energy-efficient federal buildings (original bill $7 billion) I noticed this tidbit... You know what the problem is with the federal gov't?... I will tell you. At work, just getting a new HVAC system (curently the one (if you want to call it that) is around 50 years old) would entail getting engineering division involved... 125K would come out of our budget (operations) and go to engineering...JUST TO DRAW UP THE PLANS. Plans that would most likely be FUBAR'ed to begin with and drive the local contractor that helped crazy (note a fence project we had)! Demolishing the building and build a new one would almost be better. You know how much the job (HVAC) would cost if we just went and got outside contractor estimates? Around 50k... It may even be cheaper, because a lot of the work we can do ourselves in-house. Now you you tell me what is wrong... Engineering hates us (operations)... We have a 3k "smoking shelter" that if I constructed privately would have cost me 500-1000 bucks... It is pretty and could withstand a cat. 5 hurricane though... You know what the real funny thing is? Just reccently, they actually said: "Go out and get estimates." Well at lest something appears to be changing in gov't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowLinesandArmadillos Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 I'm actually serious. I think they did the right thing, and as good as they could have. Apparently, the bill now has 42% tax breaks and 58% spending. The Dems cut out about 120 billion of spending off the bill because of the stink the GOP made. They played their cards right and the result, unless something unforeseen happens, is that Obama gets his bill passed, close to the amount he originally wanted, but the Dems had to give in on a lot of crap they wanted that probably shouldn't have been there. But this is how it's supposed to work. It's a big victory to Obama and it's a big victory for the Republicans, too. They didnt get steamrolled but they didn't give in either. A lot of them will still say they hate it, and that's fine, and they probably still do. But they probably did as well as they could have. Some of the spending will probably return but IMO it won't be much. It is a victory for the moderates in both parties. The Wingnuts on both sides got slapped, especially in the House... The right wing nuts became irrelevant because they would come to the table and the lefties had their irrelevant pork removed. This is a good thing for America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StupidNation Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 It is a victory for the moderates in both parties. The Wingnuts on both sides got slapped, especially in the House... The right wing nuts became irrelevant because they would come to the table and the lefties had their irrelevant pork removed. This is a good thing for America. A good thing for Americans TODAY. A terrible thing for Americans TOMORROW and for years to come. That's why I love democracy, we vote for people who want to be re-elected in a few years who do everything in their power to see what they have done in 4 years without any accountability and partisan in-fighting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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