freester Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 We have invested a huge amount of money already at DE. I don't see us using a first round pick or signing a high end free agent at the DE position, unless we release Kelsay or Schoebel. We certainly have enough other needs to address including C, TE, OLB. Believe it or not, there is a significant likelyhood that we do not address the DE position at all. We also used a 3rd on Ellis last year and Denney is solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 We have invested a huge amount of money already at DE. I don't see us using a first round pick or signing a high end free agent at the DE position, unless we release Kelsay or Schoebel. We certainly have enough other needs to address including C, TE, OLB. Believe it or not, there is a significant likelyhood that we do not address the DE position at all. We also used a 3rd on Ellis last year and Denney is solid. This is actually a very real possibility given the amount of money at this position. The team thinks highly of Kelsay and Denney, and like it or not they are solid...not great pass rushers, but solid in other aspects. So, I think it comes down to what they team expects to get from Schobel next year. If they feel he can be an effective rusher again, they may look to address other needs first. My personal opinnion though is that they realize Schobel is coming off a bad injury and if he cant play at the level he was we will have no pass rush. So I think they bite the financial bullet and go ahead and take a top DE in the 11 spot if one is there...if there is a run on DE's in top 10 and there isnt one left they are high enough on to take #11 then I think they look to take one in round 2... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwws9999 Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 This is actually a very real possibility given the amount of money at this position. The team thinks highly of Kelsay and Denney, and like it or not they are solid...not great pass rushers, but solid in other aspects. So, I think it comes down to what they team expects to get from Schobel next year. If they feel he can be an effective rusher again, they may look to address other needs first. My personal opinnion though is that they realize Schobel is coming off a bad injury and if he cant play at the level he was we will have no pass rush. So I think they bite the financial bullet and go ahead and take a top DE in the 11 spot if one is there...if there is a run on DE's in top 10 and there isnt one left they are high enough on to take #11 then I think they look to take one in round 2... kelsay and denny should be cut asap, they stink and could be replaced with placers making half as much who are probably better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 We have invested a huge amount of money already at DE. I don't see us using a first round pick or signing a high end free agent at the DE position, unless we release Kelsay or Schoebel. We certainly have enough other needs to address including C, TE, OLB. Believe it or not, there is a significant likelyhood that we do not address the DE position at all. We also used a 3rd on Ellis last year and Denney is solid. Buffalo took a DE in the third last year. Position has been hit by the injury bug the last two years. Not to mention performance of the unit (and individuals within it) has been lacking. Schobel is also getting age on him (in NFL terms). Bills need to upgrade the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 kelsay and denny should be cut asap, they stink and could be replaced with placers making half as much who are probably better Denney is a serviceable backup who was unfortunately forced to play this past season as a starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Individually they are over paid.. As a tandem they work well Similar to Bryce Paup in Buffalo with Bruuuuuuce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 We have invested a huge amount of money already at DE. I don't see us using a first round pick or signing a high end free agent at the DE position, unless we release Kelsay or Schoebel. We certainly have enough other needs to address including C, TE, OLB. Believe it or not, there is a significant likelyhood that we do not address the DE position at all. We also used a 3rd on Ellis last year and Denney is solid. Lack of a passrush was the biggest problem on the team last year. We have a good secondary. With a decent to good passrush, our defense will be very strong. Look at all of the teams that excell on defense, especially the Steelers. Where does it start? Up front with a strong pass rush. Schobel was not playing well at the time of his injury. He does not dominate games in the slightest. There is no guarantee he will ever regain any type of burst with the severe foot injury he suffered. Kelsay is a terrible pass rusher. Denny is a marginal reserve, and Ellis has showed nothing. Why the hell would we not address the DE position? We are almost 30 million dollars under the cap without even cutting several pieces of dead weight including McCargo, and Robert Royal. Not addressing our D line is totally irresponsible and would show that our management hasn't a clue as to how to build a dominating team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Individually they are over paid.. As a tandem they work well Similar to Bryce Paup in Buffalo with Bruuuuuuce WHAT?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 WHAT?????? Yeah, Kelsay and Bruce are about on the same level, I would say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 I highly doubt that either of them is going anywhere. Actually, if Schobel regains the form he showed prior to last year, then it is hard to argue that he is actually overpaid. Kelsay is certainly a different matter. However, he appears to be so popular with his teammates and the coaching staff that I don't foresee him being let go either. I said in another thread that I believe that Kelsay will wind up being Sanders' pet project. We can dream about the growth that Kampman exhibited under Sanders, can't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Denny is good and has good value! Just not as a starter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnbillsbacker Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Both are overpaid, but both should be retained. I think it helps being able to rotate multiple ends. I would however, draft another end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 They are both overpaid but welcome to the NFL. That is what happens in today's game. You could make an argument to cut Kelsay but you need a replacement and the bills are 25M+ under the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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