RayFinkle Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 "Chump" was a cheap shot. You could have said something about how betting lines are set - and change - by the people who plunk money down either way. If it was 1985, and I was Clubber Lang, I guess it could be considered a cheap shot. My appologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stussy109 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Defense wins championships. Look at the Giants last year as exhibit A. Arizona's D is no joke. My money is on the cards as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stussy109 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 I agree. If the cardinals can protect Warner there is no stopping them. That's a big IF though. If Warner doesn't turn the ball over, the cards win outright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 If you run a 3-4 D and are bringing 4 or 5 guys that's called a blitzing. Letting one of your rush LB's rush is not blitzing. JR's post is right on the money. Lebeau's ability to create consistent pressure without compromising the integrity of his defense is going to give the Cards fits like it does everybody else. And if/when Harrison, Smith, Woodley or Farrior get a couple licks on Warner early, Kurt will inevitably get jumpy and start making mistakes. And making mistakes against a LeBeau defense is the beginning of the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 If it was 1985, and I was Clubber Lang, I guess it could be considered a cheap shot. My appologies. No problemo, Walnuts. Most all of your posts are nice pieces of wry humor. I read'em. I know for sure that mine go awry from time to time. Dreadfully wrong, sometimes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Letting one of your rush LB's rush is not blitzing. JR's post is right on the money.Lebeau's ability to create consistent pressure without compromising the integrity of his defense is going to give the Cards fits like it does everybody else. And if/when Harrison, Smith, Woodley or Farrior get a couple licks on Warner early, Kurt will inevitably get jumpy and start making mistakes. And making mistakes against a LeBeau defense is the beginning of the end. I'd run a couple of quick hitch 'n go plays early to those long-arm receivers so as to avoid the licks and make that defense re-think their LB play and their roaming Polamalu. And if/when Polamalu crosses the LOS, I'd have standing instructions for a big body to crush him and his cornrow locks hard into the turf. I'll suffer the 15 yard unsportsmanlike penalty if he thinks he's going to try to whack my QB... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOR Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Historically not true...Giants won on a fluke play last year or it wouldnt have even been true last year. A guy who barely makes the team this year after his SB heroics makes a lucky catch on his helmet, otherwise, Giants lose. The year before Defense didnt win...Colts beat Bears... Truth is, matchups win championships as another poster said, its not nearly as black and white as "defense" wins championships. True it's not black and white. But in your examples above, it was still defense that played a large role in the teams winning, even if we imagine that fluky play never happened and the Patriots won 14-10. You hold a team to 10 points, or even 17 like the Colts did to the Bears, and you usually win the game. Given the choice between a great offense and a great defense, I'll take the great defense, and that's a lesson I learned the hard way (4 times). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Defense wins championships. Look at the Giants last year as exhibit A. Giants last year, Pats* vs Warner's Greatest Show On Turf, Belicheat* vs our own No Huddle, ... This is the flashy offensive teams game to lose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 ...that blitz crazy defense. Last Superbowl I picked the Giants to beat the Pats last year because I thought the Giant defense would get pressure on Brady and the huge weight of that undefeated record would get to the Pats team as a whole. The Pats simply did not look like the same team that was running up the score for most of that season. They looked very shaky at the end of the year. This Superbowl I'm picking the Cardinals. I felt this way two weeks ago and I still feel this way. The Cardinals are playing unbelievable football right now. Warner will pick these Steelers apart. He has the fastest release and is deadly accurate with three top flight receivers to throw the ball to. This 7 point spread favoring the Steelers is ridiculous. Yes, the Steelers have a great defense, but their offense is rather ordinary. You just sit back and watch Kurt Warner cement his place in football history and eventually the Hall of Fame on Sunday. I'm calling it 34-24, Cardinals win the Superbowl. BTW, I don't bet anymore so please don't think I've got any money riding on this. Just my opinion. Kurt Warner cannot throw when he is on the ground. This is shaping up to be a Tampa Bay-Oakland Superbowl, with Pittsburgh reprising the role of Tampa Bay and Arizona reprising the role of Oakland...if anything, Pittsburgh is not favored by ENOUGH...this has blowout written all over it---Warner is gonna get sacked a LOT this week, and likely will have a few INT's and fumbles mixed in... You can't run on Pittsburgh, not even GOOD running teams can(ask Baltimore)---at least those teams can force Pittsburgh to spend some of their time worrying about it and trying to stop it---with the Cardinals, they need to spend ZERO time worrying about their running game, regardless of "how good" they have been in the playoffs(for most teams, still below average, but for them, pretty good). When Pittsburgh can force a team to be one dimensional, and when that one dimension plays to the strengths of their defense, all I can say is lookout---there is a reason why teams averaged a 63 QB rating against them this year, and its not because they succeeded when trying to throw the ball... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 I agree. If the cardinals can protect Warner there is no stopping them. That's a big IF though. The problem is they can't. You can't double team 4 players, and if you can't do that, someone is gonna be on Warner within 2 seconds every passing play.... Here is the script that is gonna follow...Warner will start by hitting a few quick reads and get drilled into the ground after throwing, after a while, he will not be able to find anyone to throw to before he gets sacked, then he will get blindsided a few times and fumble, and then he will start throwing the ball so fast that receivers either aren't looking and its a wide open INT by Pittsburgh or they get drilled and the ball gets tipped and intercepted...pretty familiar script that dominant defenses follow in these games---the further the other team gets behind, the worse it starts getting.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOR Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 The problem is they can't. You can't double team 4 players, and if you can't do that, someone is gonna be on Warner within 2 seconds every passing play.... Here is the script that is gonna follow...Warner will start by hitting a few quick reads and get drilled into the ground after throwing, after a while, he will not be able to find anyone to throw to before he gets sacked, then he will get blindsided a few times and fumble, and then he will start throwing the ball so fast that receivers either aren't looking and its a wide open INT by Pittsburgh or they get drilled and the ball gets tipped and intercepted...pretty familiar script that dominant defenses follow in these games---the further the other team gets behind, the worse it starts getting.... Also look for Fitz and Boldin to get CRUSHED by Steelers' defenders, whether they catch the ball or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester43 Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 no one is talking about special teams...super bowls usually have a couple of big ST plays. who has the advantage here? i am not sure my self. talking about kick coverage and returns. if one team has an advantage that's where i'm putting my money. otherwise the line sounds about right to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted February 1, 2009 Author Share Posted February 1, 2009 Kurt Warner cannot throw when he is on the ground. This is shaping up to be a Tampa Bay-Oakland Superbowl, with Pittsburgh reprising the role of Tampa Bay and Arizona reprising the role of Oakland...if anything, Pittsburgh is not favored by ENOUGH...this has blowout written all over it---Warner is gonna get sacked a LOT this week, and likely will have a few INT's and fumbles mixed in... You can't run on Pittsburgh, not even GOOD running teams can(ask Baltimore)---at least those teams can force Pittsburgh to spend some of their time worrying about it and trying to stop it---with the Cardinals, they need to spend ZERO time worrying about their running game, regardless of "how good" they have been in the playoffs(for most teams, still below average, but for them, pretty good). When Pittsburgh can force a team to be one dimensional, and when that one dimension plays to the strengths of their defense, all I can say is lookout---there is a reason why teams averaged a 63 QB rating against them this year, and its not because they succeeded when trying to throw the ball... I think you've been drinking to much of the big bad Steeler coolaid. What happened during the season when the Steelers had to face a real QB? vs Eagles - Steeler defense 3 sacks, Big Ben 1 int loss vs Giants - Steeler defense 0 sacks, Big Ben 4 int loss vs Colts - Steeler defense 2 sacks, Big Ben 3 int loss vs Titans - Steeler defense 1 sack, Big Ben 2 int loss Yes they looked mighty impressive against the Fitzpatricks, Flaccos and Shaubs of the NFL world, but they did NOT look so good when they faced the NFL's best. So now they have to face a red hot Kurt Warner tomorrow. The Steelers are the ones who should be nervous. Warner is the best at getting the ball out of his hands and avoiding sacks. They won't start running the ball until the Steelers back off the blitz mode and are hit with a couple big touchdown plays by the Cardinals. We'll know who's right in a little over 24 hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Nobody's been an automatic like this since the 18-0 New England Patriots got their asses crowned going into the Super Bowl against the New York Giants, who were "just damn lucky to even be there", who had already lost to the juggernaut, and stood no chance at all and ... oh wait ... nevermind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stussy109 Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Also look for Fitz and Boldin to get CRUSHED by Steelers' defenders, whether they catch the ball or not. They are both bigger and more ripped than any D-back they will face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 I think you've been drinking to much of the big bad Steeler coolaid. What happened during the season when the Steelers had to face a real QB? vs Eagles - Steeler defense 3 sacks, Big Ben 1 int loss vs Giants - Steeler defense 0 sacks, Big Ben 4 int loss vs Colts - Steeler defense 2 sacks, Big Ben 3 int loss vs Titans - Steeler defense 1 sack, Big Ben 2 int loss Yes they looked mighty impressive against the Fitzpatricks, Flaccos and Shaubs of the NFL world, but they did NOT look so good when they faced the NFL's best. So now they have to face a red hot Kurt Warner tomorrow. The Steelers are the ones who should be nervous. Warner is the best at getting the ball out of his hands and avoiding sacks. They won't start running the ball until the Steelers back off the blitz mode and are hit with a couple big touchdown plays by the Cardinals. We'll know who's right in a little over 24 hours. Warner is tied for 3rd in the NFL with the most fumbles by a QB this year and in the middle of the pack in getting sacked. They are in trouble... Also, its nice that you conveniently leave out some other pretty good QB's that did very poorly against them: Rivers: 15 of 26 with 2 INT's and 2 sacks QB rating 43.6 Romo: 19 of 36 with 3 INT's, 3 sacks and 1 fumble and QB rating 44.9 Kurt Warner and Rich Gannon seem pretty similar in skill sets and have pretty similar teams... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Cardinals win the game outright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Kurt Warner and Rich Gannon seem pretty similar in skill sets and have pretty similar teams... Guess who has the record for most yards passed for in a SB? Here's a hint: the same guy is also #2 in this statistic. Gannon couldn't carry Warner's jock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Gannon couldn't carry Warner's jock. Fully agree JA, but I think he is going down in flames today. And yes, a childish part of me doesn't want the cards to win because I want them stuck with us on the list of teams who never won the superbowl. How sad is that? Brother.....enjoy the game!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOR Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Fully agree JA, but I think he is going down in flames today. And yes, a childish part of me doesn't want the cards to win because I want them stuck with us on the list of teams who never won the superbowl. How sad is that? Brother.....enjoy the game!!!!!!!! Same here. The Bills of the early 90's were the Cardinals of today and lost, mostly because they faced great teams in the SB. Unlike this new era of watered-down football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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