Thoner7 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Dont know if you get them confused sometimes, but Lynch is much much much much much more elusive than Jackson. A deffinition: elusive Adjective 1. difficult to find or catch Jackson does not make people miss in the open field like Lynch. He simpley doesn't. Jackson is better at slicing through holes at the line of scrimmage, if that is what you are thinking. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adxy0HAkyHI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 I love Marshawn--but you gotta be kiddin... This place is starting to scare me. Hey, let's do WR rankings next: 1. Fitz 2. Lee Evans 3. A. Johnson 4. Moss 5. Boldin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 This place is starting to scare me. Just starting? Hey, let's do WR rankings next: 1. Fitz 2. Lee Evans 3. A. Johnson 4. Moss 5. Boldin QB's next: 1. Brady 2. Edwards 3. Favre 4. Warner 5. Big Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnbillsbacker Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 I think T. Jones, C. Johnson, S. Slaton, Tomlinson (when healthy), Turner, Williams, S. Jackson, F. Gore are all better. Jacobs, Parker, R. Brown, Forte, are at a similar level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckyFillUps Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Westbrook Peterson Steven Jackson Lynch Deangelo Willaims Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 I feel like some of you guys undervalue him. I can only think of Peterson as being better than him. Please don't pull out stats. I know that "numbers don't lie," but they also don't tell the whole story. Please dont attempt to tell me Lynch would have the same stats if he was on the steelers, pats, etc. Where do you guys put him? I have him as 2nd best. Lynch will never be an ELITE back until he learns to consistently hit the hole hard and fast. When he does, he truly is a beast. When he dances too much, which he has a tendency to do, he gets no where. The problem with Lynch is this...often when he makes all these crazy moves and power runs to get back to the line of scrimmage or gain a modest yard or two, it looks impressive but really was a result of hesitation and not hitting the hole hard. So what ended up being a 2 yard gain could have been a better gain if he just would have powered right up through the hole. Right now, he is a pretty good RB, but wont be a great back until he can do that consistently. I will say this though, he was doing a much better job the last half of the season at this, so I think this next year he will really improve if he can build on that. He definitely has the potential and heart to get there... He also has the T.O. syndrome catching the ball...where he starts to look up field to run after the catch before seeing the ball all the way into his hands, and that causes him to drop too many passes. He needs to gain more focus on seeing the ball all the way to his hands and then he become more of a threat in the passing game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Lynch will never be an ELITE back until he learns to consistently hit the hole hard and fast. When he does, he truly is a beast. When he dances too much, which he has a tendency to do, he gets no where. The problem with Lynch is this...often when he makes all these crazy moves and power runs to get back to the line of scrimmage or gain a modest yard or two, it looks impressive but really was a result of hesitation and not hitting the hole hard. So what ended up being a 2 yard gain could have been a better gain if he just would have powered right up through the hole. Right now, he is a pretty good RB, but wont be a great back until he can do that consistently. I will say this though, he was doing a much better job the last half of the season at this, so I think this next year he will really improve if he can build on that. He definitely has the potential and heart to get there... He also has the T.O. syndrome catching the ball...where he starts to look up field to run after the catch before seeing the ball all the way into his hands, and that causes him to drop too many passes. He needs to gain more focus on seeing the ball all the way to his hands and then he become more of a threat in the passing game. That may have been the case in the first half of the season, but he definitely hit the hole and was an ELITE back in the second half of this season. haha i know your stuck on this Jackson thing, but eventually I'm sure you'll see what he really is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PushthePile Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 The Bills have one player in the top ten of any position, and alot of you want to trade him. Not including special teams, Jason Peters is the only player to crack the top ten. If you really wanted to be clever maybe you could make a case for Terrence. Anybody else, and you are just grasping at straws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBills14 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 1. Adrian Peterson 2. Michael Turner 3. Brian Westbrook 4. DeAngelo Williams 5. Marshawn Lynch With Westbrook getting older, he will move out and Chris Johnson/Steve Slaton would move into the 5 spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantankerous Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 I love Marshawn--but you gotta be kiddin... Lynch is about the 10th best RB in the league. Nobody said Clinton Portis? I think he's better than Lynch as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dog14787 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Dont know if you get them confused sometimes, but Lynch is much much much much much more elusive than Jackson. A deffinition: elusive Adjective 1. difficult to find or catch Jackson does not make people miss in the open field like Lynch. He simpley doesn't. Jackson is better at slicing through holes at the line of scrimmage, if that is what you are thinking. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adxy0HAkyHI Lynch runs head long into tacklers half the time and ends up making one or two yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 you can see who is faster with how they run in the open field.......40 times mean little to how a player runs in full pads. jackson had 37 catches for 317 yards compared to lynch's 47 for 300. lynch was thrown to more. I don't believe that's correct. Jackson often came into the game in 3rd down situations. Unless you've got something to back that statement up, I'm going to have to disagree and say they were targeted a similar number of times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 I don't believe that's correct. Jackson often came into the game in 3rd down situations. Unless you've got something to back that statement up, I'm going to have to disagree and say they were targeted a similar number of times. Here are receiving stats for your enjoyment. This might settle your argument. Linky Thingy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Here are receiving stats for your enjoyment. This might settle your argument. Linky Thingy That's wrong it has jackson ahead of the second best Rb in the league and the second best running back is ranked 23. What a bunch of morons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Here are receiving stats for your enjoyment. This might settle your argument. Linky Thingy That's too much confusion for me...I'm not sure I even understand what they're telling me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans4e64 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 I love Marshawn--but you gotta be kiddin... Seriously. This thread isn't even funny... its scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 That's too much confusion for me...I'm not sure I even understand what they're telling me. <sigh> Fred Jackson: 45 Throws for a 82% completion rate. Therefore, out of the 45 passes thrown to Jackson, he caught 82 percent of them. Marshawn Lynch: 67 Throws for a 70% completion rate. Therefore, out of the 67 passes thrown to Lynch, he caught 70 percent of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dog14787 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 <sigh> Fred Jackson: 45 Throws for a 82% completion rate. Therefore, out of the 45 passes thrown to Jackson, he caught 82 percent of them. Marshawn Lynch: 67 Throws for a 70% completion rate. Therefore, out of the 67 passes thrown to Lynch, he caught 70 percent of them. Thanks, which makes Jackson the better receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Thanks, which makes Jackson the better receiver. Well hang on there Columbo, how many of those incompletions were drops? how many were overthrows? how many were underthrows? I should think that those things contribute to who's a better receiver. If I wanted to make a concrete case for Lynch, I'd simply say that he caught more balls, had more yards, and scored more touchdowns, but there's other factors involved, right? Look, Jackson is good, and I'm glad the Bills have him, but a better player than Lynch, he's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyal2dagame Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 but lynch did not have more yards receiving. jackson had 317 yards from 37 catches lynch had 300 yards from 47 catches so jackson did more with less than lynch, which would imho make him a better back at catching, and running after the catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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