Tonawanda Troy Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 I always thought Gruden was a bit Smug! How about Rice calling him names and saying he has no integrity! He took Dungy's players and won a Bowl, not much since but a downward spiral! What do you think our players will have to say about Jauron once he gets the Axe? I'l start with " Nice guy, No BALLS! " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 I always thought Gruden was a bit Smug! How about Rice calling him names and saying he has no integrity! He took Dungy's players and won a Bowl, not much since but a downward spiral! What do you think our players will have to say about Jauron once he gets the Axe? I'l start with " Nice guy, No BALLS! " Rice said Gruden has no integrity?? when?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonawanda Troy Posted January 30, 2009 Author Share Posted January 30, 2009 Rice said Gruden has no integrity?? when?? Just heard it on ESPN! NFL Live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Just heard it on ESPN! NFL Live. wow--Rice doesnt usually talk that way....Gruden is getting lambasted from every direction..maybe the guy really is an arse.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 I always thought Gruden was a bit Smug! How about Rice calling him names and saying he has no integrity! He took Dungy's players and won a Bowl, not much since but a downward spiral! What do you think our players will have to say about Jauron once he gets the Axe? I'l start with " Nice guy, No BALLS! " oh i thought you were talking about JERRY...nevermind......Simeons opinion doesnt mean much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvermike Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 It took me a moment to remember that Jerry Rice also played for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lets_go_bills Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Clearly everyone thinks he's an arse. But in regards to Rice, yeah he go hurt and then cut. But if he could still pile up sacks he wouldn't of, he couldn't still "go to war." That's why he couldn't get on anywhere else. Rice isn't one to talk neither. The way he left Arizona. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfish Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Warren Sapp was also killing Gruden on Cowherd yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Warren Sapp was also killing Gruden on Cowherd yesterday. I don't think he'll take notice. Years ago when he was with the Raiders, he said of himself that he knows he's a "really shallow guy". I always liked his after-game press conferences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 But...but... he yells a lot so he must be a great coach! We should hire him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 I always thought Gruden was a bit Smug! How about Rice calling him names and saying he has no integrity! He took Dungy's players and won a Bowl, not much since but a downward spiral! What do you think our players will have to say about Jauron once he gets the Axe? I'l start with " Nice guy, No BALLS! " While it is fair to point out that Gruden won the SB with Dungy's players it should also be pointed out that they faced the Raiders, Gruden's old team. So if you want to take credit away for him leading the Bucs you must give him credit for putting together the Raiders. I wouldn't be surprised to see him back eventually, but a bit different in his personal approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 But...but... he yells a lot so he must be a great coach! We should hire him! hahahaha...nice... Yeah, it cracks me up that this guy is regarded as such a great coach yet in 7 seasons in TB he only had back to back winning seasons once and a losing record if you remove the SB year he won with Dungy's team. Nobody trusts him at all...not his fellow coaches nor his players. But because he scowls like Chucky on the sideline people wet themselves thinking about him as our next coach... Seriously, I would take Gregg Williams back before I would want Gruden. This guy has few friends in the NFL and he is about the equivalent of a sleezy used car salesman... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 But...but... he yells a lot so he must be a great coach! We should hire him! It might be an interesting change from the incumbent zombie... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 While it is fair to point out that Gruden won the SB with Dungy's players it should also be pointed out that they faced the Raiders, Gruden's old team. So if you want to take credit away for him leading the Bucs you must give him credit for putting together the Raiders. I wouldn't be surprised to see him back eventually, but a bit different in his personal approach. He didnt assemble the Raiders...why does everyone say this? Gruden had little to do with the building of that organization and his players werent very fond of him either and many were happy to see him go. Al Davis was laughing all the way to the bank on that fleecing they got from TB. He never got any real personnel power until he got to TB where he took that power and ran the organization into the ground by running the key players out of town, poor FA periods, and bad drafts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 He didnt assemble the Raiders...why does everyone say this? Gruden had little to do with the building of that organization and his players werent very fond of him either and many were happy to see him go. Al Davis was laughing all the way to the bank on that fleecing they got from TB. He never got any real personnel power until he got to TB where he took that power and ran the organization into the ground by running the key players out of town, poor FA periods, and bad drafts. I'm sure Al Davis was laughing all the way to the bank after Gruden spanked his ass in the super bowl. How did those extra 1st rounders turn out for oakland? they use them to build a really strong team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 He didnt assemble the Raiders...why does everyone say this? Gruden had little to do with the building of that organization and his players werent very fond of him either and many were happy to see him go. Al Davis was laughing all the way to the bank on that fleecing they got from TB. He never got any real personnel power until he got to TB where he took that power and ran the organization into the ground by running the key players out of town, poor FA periods, and bad drafts. OK, so you're not going to give him credit for the Raiders. And you're not going to give him credit for the Bucs. He must suck. Jauron>Gruden BTW...al might be laughing his way to the bank, but his teams took a sharp nosedive, no? Here's one other players perspective: Another point of view There has been plenty of Jon Gruden bashing since the Bucs fired him as coach two weeks ago. Ex-players, especially, have gone to the media to criticize Gruden. But one of his backers could be found Wednesday night in St. Petersburg. ESPN analyst and former NFL great Cris Carter was a part of a panel that spoke about sports journalism at the Poynter Institute . In a league full of immature kids and veterans with strong personalities, Carter said Gruden runs a team the way it should be . The coach, Carter said, has to be the one in charge. "I hope there are more coaches coming into the NFL like Jon Gruden," he said, "than coaches who allow players to run the team." link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 I'm sure Al Davis was laughing all the way to the bank after Gruden spanked his ass in the super bowl. How did those extra 1st rounders turn out for oakland? they use them to build a really strong team? Gruden didnt get Al a SB in Oak, so whats your point? He got a fleecing of draft picks for a guy who his players didnt like or trust (yes, he had that problem in Oakland too)... What Oakland did with those draft picks is irrelevant...they got incredible value for an over rated coach... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Gruden didnt get Al a SB in Oak, so whats your point? He got a fleecing of draft picks for a guy who his players didnt like or trust (yes, he had that problem in Oakland too)... What Oakland did with those draft picks is irrelevant...they got incredible value for an over rated coach... And Tampa got the Lombardi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Gruden didnt get Al a SB in Oak, so whats your point? He got a fleecing of draft picks for a guy who his players didnt like or trust (yes, he had that problem in Oakland too)... What Oakland did with those draft picks is irrelevant...they got incredible value for an over rated coach... Tampa won the super bowl, over Oakland, in case you forgot. Since that super bowl, Oakland hasn't won more than 5 games in any season. And what they did with the picks is relevant. If they turned them into a consistent contender, it would be a fleecing. but oakland did nothing with those picks. And i guarantee you anyone here on the board would gladly trade our '09 and 2010 1st round picks for a Super Bowl title. So who got fleeced? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIE HARD 1967 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Some love him and some released players hate him. Not to hard to figure out really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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