TheBlackMamba Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckyFillUps Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 lYNCH. mCKELVIN WOULD BE THE kr ON ANY TEAM IN THE nfl. oTHER THAN THEM, MAYBE mOORMAN BUT DES HE COUNT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 give me a friggin break! another "I think the Bills suck so bad and I want to be like everyone else" thread.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 I think the cards would love to go with Lynch and Jackson. The Steelers could use Lee Evans. Either of them could go with Brian Moorman. That's just three that I can think of off the top of my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 give me a friggin break! another "I think the Bills suck so bad and I want to be like everyone else" thread.... lol...agreed... Um, Evans, Lynch, Jackson, Peters, Dockery, Walker, Butler, Poz, McGee, Whitner, Greer, Stroud, Schobel, McKelvin, Parrish (as KR/PR), Moorman, maybe even Lindell would all be starting for at least one of the SB teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfreak Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Moorman would start for either team. Lee Evans would start for Pittsburgh. Lynch would probably start for Arizona. Probably Stroud and Mitchell would start for Arizona. Just think, if Jason Peters started for either of these teams, they would probably be on a backup QB and wouldn't still be playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfreak Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 lol...agreed... Um, Evans, Lynch, Jackson, Peters, Dockery, Walker, Butler, Poz, McGee, Whitner, Greer, Stroud, Schobel, McKelvin, Parrish (as KR/PR), Moorman, maybe even Lindell would all be starting for at least one of the SB teams If neary half of our team would start for the two bowl teams, why are they playing and we were 7-9 again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffHead Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 I think these guys could start on one of those teams based on other teams strengths/weaknesses. Stroud (either team, as a DT for cards or DE for pitt), Mitchell (cards), Whitner (either, but only as a FS), Schobel (Cards), Peters (either), Lynch (either). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 If neary half of our team would start for the two bowl teams, why are they playing and we were 7-9 again? Because we have a 7-9 coaching staff and an owner that's content with that as long as he's getting his Toronto money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 From the starting 22: Offense: Peters (both) Dockery (both) Evans (both) - Holmes is nice and Bolden is great, but I think Evans would be an incredible #2 paired with Fitzgerald or Ward Lynch (maybe Cards) - may go for experience with Edge Defense: Stroud (Cards, maybe Steelers) Mitchell (Cards) McGee (both) - he's a gamer That's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 There are some players on both those teams that I have no idea how good they are..... OG Lutui, Wells, Kemoeatu, Stapleton (Could Butler & Dockery start ahead of any of these guys?) CB Hood, Taylor, McFadden(Townsend) (Could Greer, McGee.....even McKelvin start ahead of any of these guys?) TE Spach......5 catches in 8 starts OT Brown, Gandy, Colon, Starks (Peters is a probowl OT......Could Walker start over some of these guys?). Good teams are usually littered with mediocre or situational talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantstopbeastmode Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Both teams: Lynch, Peters, Stroud, Greer, Whitner, Posluszny, McKelvin Steelers but not Cardinals: Evans, As you can see, our DBs are extremely elite. I feel like Stroud could definitely help both teams, and Posluszny would be a beast on the Steelers(he's already a beast, but you know what I mean). Lynch would have about 2000 yds a year on either team, and peters is clearly a stud. I don't know too much about individual special teamers or lineman, but I'm assuming a few of our linemen could be useful somewhere. So, to the thread starter, the Bills have the !@#$ing players. Watch Lynch run or Peters block or Greer cover and you'll see it. Or watch ESPN and think that having a new TE that would start on BOTH SUPER BOWL TEAMS WILL LEAD US TO THE PROMISED LAND. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 It's interesting to see Derrick Dockery's name come up on some of these lists. Based on his performance, he is lucky to be starting for OUR team. I think that most of the trouble that the left site of the OL has had in short yardage running and blitz/stunt pickup is because of him. He hasn't gotten much push in the running game and seems to lose his man on blitzes and stunts. Frankly, I don't think that he's played much better that Brad Butler despite the huge difference in salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 If neary half of our team would start for the two bowl teams, why are they playing and we were 7-9 again? I might disagree with 2 - 5 of his picks, but he's got the right idea. Why were we 7 - 9? Well, he picked 17 guys, including KRs and STs. That means that about 9 guys (including STs) might make the Cardinals and 8 might make the Steelers (each team might be up or down 1 or 2 here, I'm just guessing). That's not outstanding when you consider Roscoe Parrish would be one of them and Leodis McKelvin another. That's first. But the main reason is that those two teams have two things that we don't have: 1) a lack of weak spots. We have, arguably 6 spots on our teams which are outright weaknesses. Super Bowl teams generally either have extremely few, possibly none. If you have those weaknesses, NFL teams will find ways of exploiting them. We have guys of below NFL standard at DT (rotational guys, who play a lot in the Bills system), DE (outside of Schobel, nobody can pass rush to standard, starters and rotational guys), LB with Crowell out, C, TE (though this is arguable. If you don't expect much pass catching from your guys, Royal is a heck of a blocker) and #2 WR. We have a few young guys who might eventually shore up these positions, but right now nobody. The young guys, such as Hardy, Stevie Johnson, Ellis, Fine, Alvin Bowen and Buggs haven't proved that they're sure things yet. We have serious holes. 2) Difference makers at important positions. Super Bowl teams have guys who are simply among the best in the league, and can be counted on when a play is needed. Kurt Warner. Larry Johnson. Polamalu. Harrison. Hines Ward. There are a few more on those rosters. Guys who require double teams and still make plays. Guys who the other team has to game-plan for, thus weakening them in other areas. Guys who convert 3rd downs or create turnovers consistently. Where are those guys on the Bills? I can think of only Moorman, who is at a (relatively) unimportant position, and Stroud. A very healthy Schobel might be borderline. Lee Evans might be borderline. That's it. And that's a major reason why we're 7 - 9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 If neary half of our team would start for the two bowl teams, why are they playing and we were 7-9 again? The Cards are 9-7. So they won exactly 2 more games than the Bills. They play in one of the worst divisions ever, whoch they went 6-0 in. They went 3-7 outside it. Any other division and they don't make the playoffs. This is not some super power. They aren't much better than the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lets_go_bills Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 If neary half of our team would start for the two bowl teams, why are they playing and we were 7-9 again? Bad coaching/game management/decision making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 If neary half of our team would start for the two bowl teams, why are they playing and we were 7-9 again? It's the other half of our team that sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PushthePile Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Both teams: Lynch, Peters, Stroud, Greer, Whitner, Posluszny, McKelvin Steelers but not Cardinals: Evans, As you can see, our DBs are extremely elite. I feel like Stroud could definitely help both teams, and Posluszny would be a beast on the Steelers(he's already a beast, but you know what I mean). Lynch would have about 2000 yds a year on either team, and peters is clearly a stud. I don't know too much about individual special teamers or lineman, but I'm assuming a few of our linemen could be useful somewhere. So, to the thread starter, the Bills have the !@#$ing players. Watch Lynch run or Peters block or Greer cover and you'll see it. Or watch ESPN and think that having a new TE that would start on BOTH SUPER BOWL TEAMS WILL LEAD US TO THE PROMISED LAND. The Poz would be a special teams beast on the steelers. Right now he is an average player and they have above average backups at that position. Our corners could be starters for both teams but it is honestly pretty close. Lynch would be lucky to have better running stats on either team let alone 2000 yards. The steelers actually struggled running the ball this year and the cardinals just don't run. I agree that Peters would be a starter on both teams and so would Stroud. Lynch would definately be the featured back as well but no 2000 yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Just because a team is in the SB does not mean all their players are great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 If neary half of our team would start for the two bowl teams, why are they playing and we were 7-9 again? Lynch - Both Evans - Steelers Peters - Both Poz - Both Whitner - FS Both Parrish - PR McKelvin - ST - Both Wendling - ST - Both Moorman - Both Stroud - Both McGee - Cardinals I might disagree with 2 - 5 of his picks, but he's got the right idea. Why were we 7 - 9? Well, he picked 17 guys, including KRs and STs. That means that about 9 guys (including STs) might make the Cardinals and 8 might make the Steelers (each team might be up or down 1 or 2 here, I'm just guessing). That's not outstanding when you consider Roscoe Parrish would be one of them and Leodis McKelvin another. That's first. But the main reason is that those two teams have two things that we don't have: 1) a lack of weak spots. We have, arguably 6 spots on our teams which are outright weaknesses. Super Bowl teams generally either have extremely few, possibly none. If you have those weaknesses, NFL teams will find ways of exploiting them. We have guys of below NFL standard at DT (rotational guys, who play a lot in the Bills system), DE (outside of Schobel, nobody can pass rush to standard, starters and rotational guys), LB with Crowell out, C, TE (though this is arguable. If you don't expect much pass catching from your guys, Royal is a heck of a blocker) and #2 WR. We have a few young guys who might eventually shore up these positions, but right now nobody. The young guys, such as Hardy, Stevie Johnson, Ellis, Fine, Alvin Bowen and Buggs haven't proved that they're sure things yet. We have serious holes. 2) Difference makers at important positions. Super Bowl teams have guys who are simply among the best in the league, and can be counted on when a play is needed. Kurt Warner. Larry Johnson. Polamalu. Harrison. Hines Ward. There are a few more on those rosters. Guys who require double teams and still make plays. Guys who the other team has to game-plan for, thus weakening them in other areas. Guys who convert 3rd downs or create turnovers consistently. Where are those guys on the Bills? I can think of only Moorman, who is at a (relatively) unimportant position, and Stroud. A very healthy Schobel might be borderline. Lee Evans might be borderline. That's it. And that's a major reason why we're 7 - 9. The main reason Buffalo wasn't in the playoffs is because TE is not ready to be a SB caliber QB and that's the most important position. With weaker QB's both of those teams wouldn't be in the SB. JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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