VABills Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 more chances should usually equate to more touchdowns. i don't see how thomas jones getting 21 more carries and 4 touchdowns in the redzone makes him that much better than marshawn lynch. how many idiotic fades have we thrown on the 1 yard line that could have been cake touchdowns for lynch? playcalling is also a factor. Then how's about white. 8 more chances, 7 more TD's. What about jones-drew 3 less touches 4 more TD's. Sometimes more chances come because the coaches are comfortable with a player touching the ball. Again, Lynch has shown no ability to catch anything beyond a simple dump and not always then. Do you really think he could catch a true swing pass. Yeah me either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Not even close: Player Att Yds Avg Lng TD Lynch 36 93 2.6 14 7 Jones 57 185 3.2 17 11 Staton 63 131 2.1 11 6 Johnson 28 82 2.9 16 6 Tomlinson 55 134 2.4 14 11 Brown 36 101 2.8 16 9 Jones-Drew 31 89 2.9 8 11 parker 33 104 3.2 16 6 White 44 77 1.8 6 14 \ Those bolded are easily better in the redzone and I haven't even looked for redzone specialists. Your putting way too much emphasis on stats. You have to take into account the offensive line, qb, game plan, wr's, te's lots of things. He is a very serviceable back, but nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Your putting way too much emphasis on stats. You have to take into account the offensive line, qb, game plan, wr's, te's lots of things. He is a very serviceable back, but nothing more. I agree, but he is not the best at anything and has gaps which expose gaps in our offense. Again, what I said was he is Travis henry V2.0 without the fumbling issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizell Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Then how's about white. 8 more chances, 7 more TD's. What about jones-drew 3 less touches 4 more TD's. Sometimes more chances come because the coaches are comfortable with a player touching the ball. Again, Lynch has shown no ability to catch anything beyond a simple dump and not always then. Do you really think he could catch a true swing pass. Yeah me either. i'll give you jones-drew, because imo he is one of the best short-yardage runners in the nfl, but not lendale white. anyways, my point was, those stats weren't really indicative of a player's skill level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 i'll give you jones-drew, because imo he is one of the best short-yardage runners in the nfl, but not lendale white. anyways, my point was, those stats weren't really indicative of a player's skill level. And just because Lynch has a charging buffalo on his helmet the fans of said city should not just assume he is a great running back. Open thine eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPDontletthedoorhityourars Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 And just because Lynch has a charging buffalo on his helmet the fans of said city should not just assume he is a great running back. Open thine eyes. All I know is he is damn hard to bring down and gets a lot of yards on his own. He's top 5 back in this league...no question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 All I know is he is damn hard to bring down and gets a lot of yards on his own. He's top 5 back in this league...no question. He isn't top 5 in the AFC. Not even sure he is top 5 in the AFC east. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPDontletthedoorhityourars Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 He isn't top 5 in the AFC. Not even sure he is top 5 in the AFC east. That is your opinion. A little bit over the top..but still an opinion. There is no one in the AFC East I would want over Lynch including Brown. Lynch was one of the better backs in the second half. I think you have a little bit of bias against him for whatever reasons. He was terrific in the Browns' and Jet games. The guy you should take issue with is Lee Evans...he is truly an underperformer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 That is your opinion. A little bit over the top..but still an opinion. There is no one in the AFC East I would want over Lynch including Brown. Lynch was one of the better backs in the second half. I think you have a little bit of bias against him for whatever reasons. He was terrific in the Browns' and Jet games. The guy you should take issue with is Lee Evans...he is truly an underperformer. I don't have an issue with Lynch. He is a good hard straight ahead runner. he is a liability in the passing game (poor catching and can't block at all). He's a middle of the road starter maybe in the middle tier of the NFL, maybe. He really is nothing more on the field a clone of Travis without the fumbling problems. And if I was crayonz I'd be in love with Lynch. I mean come on how many guys get to run over a Canadian and get away with it. Hell if crayonz had his way it'd be a sport like Death Race - Canadian. BTW, I do take huge issues with Evans. Yeah he way underperforms and he talks way too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 No because you basically know that once Lynch doesn't get the ball, you don't have to worry about covering him. Just like when we had Morris and Travis. You knew when Travis was in you were either passing with only 10 men on the field or if Morris came in it was a pass. Lynch had 47 receptions for 300 yards and two TD's this season,dunno what games you've been watching. One of the biggest reasons the Bills drafted this guy out of Cal is because he is such a good receiving back in the flat. Both he and Fred Jackson are really good at pass catching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ (not THAT RJ) Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Lynch had 47 receptions for 300 yards and two TD's this season,dunno what games you've been watching. One of the biggest reasons the Bills drafted this guy out of Cal is because he is such a good receiving back in the flat. Both he and Fred Jackson are really good at pass catching. VA is just looking for a new whipping boy now that JP is on the way out. By November, he will be calling Lynch a "visually impaired spastic sea otter" or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PushthePile Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Running back is one of the hardest positions to measure with statistics IMO. With so many variables involved each situation is different. Clinton Portis is an example of a player who isn't as good as his stats would lead you to believe. I'm not saying he's a bad player but I would take Lynch over him and that can be said about lots of players. You have to watch closely and see how much Lynch has to do to gain his yards. Deangelo Williams and Michael Turner are both great backs but how many times do those guys hit the second level of defense with a full head of steam? I don't see it very often with Lynch or Jackson. Most of the time they are doing their work in the backfield to get back to the LOS. In addition to that I don't think he is being used in the most effective manner either. I feel the same way about Lynch as I do Maurice Jones Drew, both are above average players that aren't in position to blow up the stat sheet right now. As far as Thomas Jones goes, I think he is good back who is starting to get up in age. He has had his ups and downs in his career and when put in a good spot he has produced. In my mind only one back stands out as the best in the nfl and Peterson has it all. FWIW if i had to choose Jones or Washington, if I were the Jets it would be Leon all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 VA is just looking for a new whipping boy now that JP is on the way out. By November, he will be calling Lynch a "visually impaired spastic sea otter" or something. I like that, can I use it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ (not THAT RJ) Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 I like that, can I use it? Be my guest. I would, however, request a footnote reference. Professional standards, don't you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 I don't have an issue with Lynch. He is a good hard straight ahead runner. he is a liability in the passing game (poor catching and can't block at all). He's a middle of the road starter maybe in the middle tier of the NFL, maybe. He really is nothing more on the field a clone of Travis without the fumbling problems. And if I was crayonz I'd be in love with Lynch. I mean come on how many guys get to run over a Canadian and get away with it. Hell if crayonz had his way it'd be a sport like Death Race - Canadian. BTW, I do take huge issues with Evans. Yeah he way underperforms and he talks way too much. You are way off!! you are clearly too negative and you gotta get the SH*$t out of your eyes. He is not a liability in the pass game he is a valuable asset. As far as being strictly a straight ahead runner, that is laughable, and to say he is the 5th best runningback in the division, once again get the SH*$T out of your eyes!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Cold Bruschi Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Lol the Bills the 09 Cardinals lol? No chance considering they don't have A. a decent quarterback (let alone one that could even hold Warner's jockstrap B. Any good wide receivers (Evans is way over rated and a pathetic route runner) C. Anything that vaguely resembles good coaching. D. A line that could stop a girl scout troupe E. A D line that could put any pressure on anyone.......Need I go on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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