cåblelady Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 He didn't lead with his shoulder no matter what anyone says. The reverse angle showed it clearly. He led with his head. His head made first contact with MacGahee's head. His arms were at his side. His only intention was to hit him with his head as hard as he could. Agreed. I cried. Reminded me of Kevin. Get well soon, Willis!
Jdorn Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 This says it all. He chose to hit Willis' head. And yes, I played football. He wasn't trying to tackle him. His arms were at his side. And I know that just hitting someone has become an accepted way of bringing them down. But he didn't choose go after the legs or the waist, he chose to go directly at the head. Watch the video again, 50 secs in. He leads with his head and his head hits first. And I know many keep saying that his shoulder hit first, but watch the video, that's just not true. I just watched the hit again and the defender was definetly leading with his shoulder, matter of fact if Willis didnt lower his head he probably would have been hit in the chest. I know people arent going to agree here on if the hit was intentional or not however it will be confirmed as unintentional by the NFL as no fine will be issued, I would bet on it.
SwampD Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 I just watched the hit again and the defender was definetly leading with his shoulder, matter of fact if Willis didnt lower his head he probably would have been hit in the chest. I know people arent going to agree here on if the hit was intentional or not however it will be confirmed as unintentional by the NFL as no fine will be issued, I would bet on it. So...it's Willis' fault I'm done with this.
Jdorn Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 So...it's Willis' fault I'm done with this. No not his fault an unfortunate situation but if you watch the replay thats definetly what happens I'm sure Willis didnt mean to lower his head it was instinct to try to get lower. Watch it again this is how I see it, oh sorry I forgot your done, so sensitive.
The Senator Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 I just watched the hit again and the defender was definetly leading with his shoulder, matter of fact if Willis didnt lower his head he probably would have been hit in the chest. I know people arent going to agree here on if the hit was intentional or not however it will be confirmed as unintentional by the NFL as no fine will be issued, I would bet on it. gotta agree - it just doesn't look like clark was putting his head down and 'lining up' willis. looks more like he was leading with his shoulder and then, unfortunately, willis and clark both put there heads down at the same instant. a freak accident, a result of uncanny timing, but highly doubt clark intended a helmet to helmet hit.
34-78-83 Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 I just watched the hit again and the defender was definetly leading with his shoulder, matter of fact if Willis didnt lower his head he probably would have been hit in the chest. I know people arent going to agree here on if the hit was intentional or not however it will be confirmed as unintentional by the NFL as no fine will be issued, I would bet on it. Dead on The hit would have been in Willis's chest of he didn't lower his head way down at the last second. Definitely no fine.
R. Rich Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 No. He led w/ his helmet. He should be fined, suspended, and then traded to the Bills along w/ Polamalu, Hampton, Harrison, Woodley, Smith, Keisel, Roethlisberger, Tomlin, Colbert, and the Rooney family.
bills44 Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 No. He led w/ his helmet. He should be fined, suspended, and then traded to the Bills along w/ Polamalu, Hampton, Harrison, Woodley, Smith, Keisel, Roethlisberger, Tomlin, Colbert, and the Rooney family. Jauron & Fewell would neuter guys like Hampton, Smith, Keisel, Harrison & Woodley with the Tampa Cover Blew, er, Two
Heels20X6 Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 No. He led w/ his helmet. He should be fined, suspended, and then traded to the Bills along w/ Polamalu, Hampton, Harrison, Woodley, Smith, Keisel, Roethlisberger, Tomlin, Colbert, and the Rooney family. Being traded to the Bills seems like fair punishment.
R. Rich Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 Jauron & Fewell would neuter guys like Hampton, Smith, Keisel, Harrison & Woodley with the Tampa Cover Blew, er, Two Well, considering I said.... No. He led w/ his helmet. He should be fined, suspended, and then traded to the Bills along w/ Polamalu, Hampton, Harrison, Woodley, Smith, Keisel, Roethlisberger, Tomlin, Colbert, and the Rooney family. ...I guess we can draw our own conclusions on Jauron's job status. What's that? The Bills inner circle of geniuses, led by Russ Brandon and Hall of Famer to be Ralph Wilson, won't have that, you say? Again, considering I said... No. He led w/ his helmet. He should be fined, suspended, and then traded to the Bills along w/ Polamalu, Hampton, Harrison, Woodley, Smith, Keisel, Roethlisberger, Tomlin, Colbert, and the Rooney family. ...I don't think they're going to be much of a concern, either.
R. Rich Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 Being traded to the Bills seems like fair punishment. New regime. New.....'punishment'.
jester43 Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 he led with his helmet and shame on the nfl for not taking more responsibility to end that kind of tackling. but it will never happen because too many people love the violence.
bills44 Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 Well, considering I said.... ...I guess we can draw our own conclusions on Jauron's job status. What's that? The Bills inner circle of geniuses, led by Russ Brandon and Hall of Famer to be Ralph Wilson, won't have that, you say? Again, considering I said... ...I don't think they're going to be much of a concern, either. I know...I take a shot at the Tampa Cover Blew whenver I can, though.
cåblelady Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 I know...I take a shot at the Tampa Cover Blew whenver I can, though. Good job.
DrDawkinstein Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 does everybody/anybody realize that even in perfect form tackling, there is still a large chance that helmet-to-helmet collisions like this one will occur?? what do some of you expect? for every defender to try to do that Kurt Schulz flying elbow/shoulder BS? when you tackle you lead with your face, slide it to a side and wrap with your arms. how do you think you get to the point where you can wrap a player, chest-to-body, if your helmet doesnt go in first? your head IS on top of your body, right?
JoeF Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 Link McGahee, who missed most of training camp after knee surgery and had a slow start to the regular season, was resting at UPMC Presbyterian Hospital last night with movement in all his limbs and was "neurologically intact," a team spokesman said. McGahee was taken off on a stretcher with 3:29 remaining in his team's 23-14 AFC championship loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers at Heinz Field. Team doctor Leigh Ann Curl was staying in Pittsburgh with McGahee. As I read the neurologically intact part -- I couldn't help but think of the old joke--the guy has a broken hand and asks the doc, doc will I be able to play the piano when my hand heals, and the doc says sure, the guy says great I could never play the piano before. The hit made Willis neurologically intact....wooo hoooo Glad he is okay...or at least intact...
MartyBall4Buffalo Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 No. He led w/ his helmet. He should be fined, suspended, and then traded to the Bills along w/ Polamalu, Hampton, Harrison, Woodley, Smith, Keisel, Roethlisberger, Tomlin, Colbert, and the Rooney family. Eh they can keep Tomlin. I'll settle for Dick Lebeau
wnyguy Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 bird, bird, eye, pyramid, bird, eye, fish, cat head, guy doing the egyption stance And that's all I have to say about that I think this pretty much sums up what I thought, too.
Steely Dan Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 So...it's Willis' fault I'm done with this. I don't think either player in the KE collision was at fault and I feel the same way here.
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