Alphadawg7 Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 The owners interviewed their PLAYERS and the players said they don't trust Gruden and do not think they can win with him. Gruden was so blindsided that he just hired a coordinator FROM THE LIONS (what an idiot) 2 hours before he got canned... Gruden did nothing but ruin a powerhouse, lose his players, and run the best players out of town in TB... Losing record over his last 6 seasons Players don't like him or trust him and voted him out Only had back to back winning seasons once in 7 years (this year and last year, and missed playoffs this year) 9-3 then loses 4 straight, including last one against Raiders where a win gets him in playoffs, to miss playoffs Give him lots of personnel power when they hire him...wind up with terrible drafts and poor Free Agencies Never developed a QB in Oakland or TB Mismanaged his QB's worse than Buffalos handling of JP Yet, everyone is clamoring for this overrated guy...lmao... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 What are we waiting for? Let's hire him. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOR Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 ...on the cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 19, 2009 Author Share Posted January 19, 2009 ...on the cheap. He might have a hard time finding a job in the next 2 seasons...most jobs are filled already or close to being filled and in 2010 he will have to contend with having Cowher, Holmgren, Shannahan and maybe even Dungy to get a job. Not to mention there are still some coordinators that will surface as candidates as they always do, and there are other potential coaches that might also become front runners for jobs if they seek them like Mariucci, Fassel, and maybe even Marty. His players didnt like em, and they voted him out and even some of his former players are taking pleasure in his firing... That can't bode well in a job search. Plus, there likely wont be many job openings in 2010, at least compared to the turnover we had this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsWatch Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Dungy will not be back. He had the perfect situation other than location in Indianapolis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 19, 2009 Author Share Posted January 19, 2009 Dungy will not be back. He had the perfect situation other than location in Indianapolis. I suspect you might be right, but he is still young enough that I dont know if he can stay away. We will see, but you very well could be right and we may never see him coach again or even sit several years. Could be similar to Jimmy Johnson...plenty of coaching left in him too, but he stayed away. I wonder if teams ever call him during their coaching searches each year to see if he has any interest in considering getting back into coaching... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 I mean are we just trying to be a contrarian because it's fun or what? "Never developed a QB" - yah Gannon was a stud before he took over Oakland. "What the players said" - yawn - the players in St. Louis petitioned to bring Haslett back after going 2-10; and we know how our players feel about Dick. 9-7 is 9-7 whether you start 9-3 or 5-7. They are probably the least talented team in the division and if you want to argue that is his fault fine; that doesn't mean they're better off without him as opposed to retaining him & delegating personnel to somebody else. It's also the same people in charge who inexplicably gave up 1,000 draft picks to get him in the first place instead of Dungy; so it's not the first time they've screwed up a hiring/firing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorCal Aaron Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Good article about Gruden: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?.../SPOR15CDM2.DTL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsWatch Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Good article about Gruden:http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?.../SPOR15CDM2.DTL Interesting quote: But Callahan soon revealed that he was Barry Switzer Lite, taking a team to the Super Bowl on another coach's fumes, and the Raiders descended into a tedious brand of chaos. It could also have said: But Gruden soon revealed that he was Tony Dungy Lite, taking a team to the Super Bowl on another coach's fumes using knowledge of the Raiders and then after Superbowl descending into medocracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JinVA Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Night putting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDD Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 The owners interviewed their PLAYERS and the players said they don't trust Gruden and do not think they can win with him. Gruden was so blindsided that he just hired a coordinator FROM THE LIONS (what an idiot) 2 hours before he got canned... Gruden did nothing but ruin a powerhouse, lose his players, and run the best players out of town in TB... Losing record over his last 6 seasons Players don't like him or trust him and voted him out Only had back to back winning seasons once in 7 years (this year and last year, and missed playoffs this year) 9-3 then loses 4 straight, including last one against Raiders where a win gets him in playoffs, to miss playoffs Give him lots of personnel power when they hire him...wind up with terrible drafts and poor Free Agencies Never developed a QB in Oakland or TB Mismanaged his QB's worse than Buffalos handling of JP Yet, everyone is clamoring for this overrated guy...lmao... Uh wait a minute. Lets not forget that Gruden did what Dungy could'nt in Tampa...win a superbowl! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Good thing the Bills players love their coach to death. Wouldn't want Ralph to eat a contract if the players voted the coach off the island. Running the franchise like it's an episode of Survivor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 19, 2009 Author Share Posted January 19, 2009 Uh wait a minute. Lets not forget that Gruden did what Dungy could'nt in Tampa...win a superbowl! Thats speculation to say that Dungy wouldnt have also won the Superbowl that same year if he coached the Bucs instead of Gruden that year. Gruden gets too much credit for that win...Mularkey could have coached that team that year and still had a shot at SB...that D was sick and the offense was solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Thats speculation to say that Dungy wouldnt have also won the Superbowl that same year if he coached the Bucs instead of Gruden that year. Gruden gets too much credit for that win...Mularkey could have coached that team that year and still had a shot at SB...that D was sick and the offense was solid. As someone who has always defended Schottenheimer, I don't really believe in "clutch coaching" myself. But it is a lot of hindsight to say the offense was solid. Their OL/RB combo was maybe the worst of all-time for a SB winner and Brad Johnson while solid, certainly wasn't the greatest QB to compensate for that. They were destroyed @Philly the two previous years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverick544 Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Gruden will be in NY soon, unfortunatly it wont be with the bills! Living in Tampa, about 2 Mins from Raymond James Stadium, I must say that all the "Real" Bucs fans wanted to see him go, all the poser Tampa Fans adored him because he looked like Chucky! Sorry to say, but he didn't know how to "Build" a Team! Unfortunatly in the past 8 years, Buffalo has been a breeding ground for good players, but they move onto other teams after 4 years with the franchise. The Bucs need new talent, the Bills need a good coaching and some luck. Hopefully this year will be "Simple Dick's" Kick in the Ass! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Night putting No, that was Mitch Cumstein. Great guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el Tigre Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 The owners interviewed their PLAYERS and the players said they don't trust Gruden and do not think they can win with him. Gruden was so blindsided that he just hired a coordinator FROM THE LIONS (what an idiot) 2 hours before he got canned... Gruden did nothing but ruin a powerhouse, lose his players, and run the best players out of town in TB... Losing record over his last 6 seasons Players don't like him or trust him and voted him out Only had back to back winning seasons once in 7 years (this year and last year, and missed playoffs this year) 9-3 then loses 4 straight, including last one against Raiders where a win gets him in playoffs, to miss playoffs Give him lots of personnel power when they hire him...wind up with terrible drafts and poor Free Agencies Never developed a QB in Oakland or TB Mismanaged his QB's worse than Buffalos handling of JP Yet, everyone is clamoring for this overrated guy...lmao... Wow. Pretty eye-opening stuff. I hadn't followed him closely since he left the Raiders. I had always liked him when he was here in Oakland,thought Al Davis made a mistake in letting him get away. The W-L record really surprises me,I always thought of him as a winning coach. If Jauron flops again next year I would still consider him but be very cautious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passepartout Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 From what I hear, Gruden is a real, piece of work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kipers Hair Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 The owners interviewed their PLAYERS and the players said they don't trust Gruden and do not think they can win with him. Gruden was so blindsided that he just hired a coordinator FROM THE LIONS (what an idiot) 2 hours before he got canned... Gruden did nothing but ruin a powerhouse, lose his players, and run the best players out of town in TB... Losing record over his last 6 seasons Players don't like him or trust him and voted him out Only had back to back winning seasons once in 7 years (this year and last year, and missed playoffs this year) 9-3 then loses 4 straight, including last one against Raiders where a win gets him in playoffs, to miss playoffs Give him lots of personnel power when they hire him...wind up with terrible drafts and poor Free Agencies Never developed a QB in Oakland or TB Mismanaged his QB's worse than Buffalos handling of JP Yet, everyone is clamoring for this overrated guy...lmao... Exciting news - the inmates run the asylum known as the Tampa Bay Buccanears. Mark this, that team will be a medicore team like the Bills for years. Chuckie is a good coach - todays players are whinney little b-tches... They shoulld fear their coach.... I am not saying this appraoch is applicable in all business, but the NFL andmost major sports - damn straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kipers Hair Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Good thing the Bills players love their coach to death. Wouldn't want Ralph to eat a contract if the players voted the coach off the island. Running the franchise like it's an episode of Survivor. Great Post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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