TheLynchTrain Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 I could be wrong, but I don't think they would lose much on Walker. He has played 2 seasons of a 5 year/25 million dollar contract. His salary isn't guaranteed so it would depend on the sixe of his bonus. They might even gain cap space, or at least break even. It would depend on the size of his bonus. http://content.usatoday.com/sports/footbal...nterstitialskip Looks like he already had two 5 mil signing bonuses and his contract has already eaten up about 12 mil. The rest of his contract probably isn't guaranteed, but I'm sure there is still some signing bonus money they have to give the guy. The fact is thought that we're not replacing Walker with Gross. The fact that somebody brought that up was pretty laughable. Again, it sounds like people are thinking about too much Madden plug-a-player in theory. Now cutting Walker and drafting a stud tackle like Jeff Otah out of Pitt for Carolina last year might sound like a good idea. And if we decide we don't want to sign peters this year and we put it off til he's a free agent, the bills would have a plan of succession for their tackles. But that is always too much to ask from One Bills Drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_red Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Why? We're going to have to pay either Gross or Peters big money; it might as well be Peters, since he's already here. Would you rather have 1 Peters 2 Gross 1st R pick 3rd R pick I'll go with 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Um, Gross plays LT. I'm certain he would think playing RT is a "demotion." And what, we're going to pay 8 mil for a guy to play RT while were paying 11 mil for a guy to play LT? And why would he ever go somewhere to play RT when any number of teams would pay him to play LT? What? And don't forget the money were eating on Walkers contract? While were at it, can we sign Peppers and Suggs too? Down boy........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Would you rather have 1 Peters 2 Gross 1st R pick 3rd R pick I'll go with 2 Assuming the stars all align then 2 is the choice - likelihood of this happening - about nill. Trade Peters away without Gross (as others have suggested) - priceless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Assuming the stars all align then 2 is the choice - liklihood of this happening - about nill. Trade Peters away without Gross (as others have suggested) - priceless. The funny thing is that people want to spend all this money on flashy WR's, TE's, LB's and DB's.....when the time comes to invest in linemen, they want to go on the cheap- pay Peters or you'll end up paying somebody else more...who probably isn't as good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLynchTrain Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 The funny thing is that people want to spend all this money on flashy WR's, TE's, LB's and DB's.....when the time comes to invest in linemen, they want to go on the cheap- pay Peters or you'll end up paying somebody else more...who probably isn't as good. yea but peters is going to demand a heck of a lot more money than gross. Why can't we land gross and then trade peters. As I've said previously, this is only a suggestion if signing peters is irreconcilable...meaning he wants 11 mil and the bills say take a hike. I'm certain Gross isn't going to go higher than 8 mil a year. Peters is certain demand much much more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 This is fantasy. Go look at porn instead, it's equally unattainable but you'll feel better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLynchTrain Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Think of this in terms of any investment. Broker A calls u up and says you can invest in something, and that it might be the GREATEST THING out there, will make you a multi-millionaire, but theres one catch. Its going to cost you some serious money to just get to the table, and that while the potential is there to make ridiculous amounts of money, there is still potential that it will crash and burn and you will become worthless. Now, another broker B calls u up and says that you can invest in something that is a PROVEN COMMODITY. It's a top quality product, never breaks down, ect ect. Youre going to have to pay, but not the amount as broker A says. Yeah, it might not be the greatest commodity ever, but its going to make you serious returns, every week, every year, without fail. You'll get rich but not the potential to make the ridiculous amount of money that broker A tells you. Now which do you pick? If you're feeling rather lucky, you might want to go with the first guy and see who pans out. But I'm certain most people would go for the sure thing. It all comes down to how One Bills Drive is feeling....are they feeling lucky? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLynchTrain Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 This is fantasy. Go look at porn instead, it's equally unattainable but you'll feel better. The bills are going to have to make a decision on peters sooner or later, so I don't know how its necessarily fantasy. If by fantasy in the fact that the organization is too stupid or cheap to make any significant moves, then I understand your language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Think of this in terms of any investment. Broker A calls u up and says you can invest in something, and that it might be the GREATEST THING out there, will make you a multi-millionaire, but theres one catch. Its going to cost you some serious money to just get to the table, and that while the potential is there to make ridiculous amounts of money, there is still potential that it will crash and burn and you will become worthless. Now, another broker B calls u up and says that you can invest in something that is a PROVEN COMMODITY. It's a top quality product, never breaks down, ect ect. Youre going to have to pay, but not the amount as broker A says. Yeah, it might not be the greatest commodity ever, but its going to make you serious returns, every week, every year, without fail. You'll get rich but not the potential to make the ridiculous amount of money that broker A tells you. Now which do you pick? If you're feeling rather lucky, you might want to go with the first guy and see who pans out. But I'm certain most people would go for the sure thing. It all comes down to how One Bills Drive is feeling....are they feeling lucky? Serious ? Who is the sure thing and who is the long shot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLynchTrain Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Serious ? Who is the sure thing and who is the long shot? Are you serioius? C'mon now. Never said peters was the long shot. Peters had an allstar season in 2007. He looked like he could be the best LT ever to play the game. But he did get injured, and had an off-season this year, along with injuries, whining and the rest. Who's to say he wont care once he's paid. Jordan Gross has been a top 5 top 10 LT since he came into the league five years ago. He can play almost any position on the line. He never gets injured. Great attitude. I dont see any drop off if he goes anywhere else. And he's not going to demand the ridiculous money that Peters will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Are you serioius? C'mon now. Never said peters was the long shot. Peters had an allstar season in 2007. He looked like he could be the best LT ever to play the game. But he did get injured, and had an off-season this year, along with injuries, whining and the rest. Who's to say he wont care once he's paid. Jordan Gross has been a top 5 top 10 LT since he came into the league five years ago. He can play almost any position on the line. He never gets injured. Great attitude. I dont see any drop off if he goes anywhere else. And he's not going to demand the ridiculous money that Peters will. No, wasn't trying to put words in your mouth, just didn't understand your comparison. Instead of long shot would you accept risky investment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Jordan Gross has been a top 5 top 10 LT since he came into the league five years ago. He can play almost any position on the line. He never gets injured. Great attitude. I dont see any drop off if he goes anywhere else. And he's not going to demand the ridiculous money that Peters will. I have not seen Gross play, but assuming what you say about his skills is true, why would he demand less money than Peters ? It is close to a free market - better talent should get paid more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLynchTrain Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 No, wasn't trying to put words in your mouth, just didn't understand your comparison. Instead of long shot would you accept risky investment? yeah. If Peters was demanding the same money that other top flight FA LTs were demanding (no more than 8 mil), I'd say ok. But from what he said last year, him and Eugene Parker want to set the market. Peters said 11 mil last year. The Bills are obviously too cheap for that. It would be a sounder investment if the guy didnt miss games to injury (or at least the appearance that he didnt give up once we couldn't make the playoffs two years in a row). His attitude and behavior don't seem in line for a guy you'd pay so much, a guy you'd make the face of your franchise. I have a feeling (and I feel many more people inside and outside of One Bills Drive) that Peters might fold up the tents and be lazy once he gets paid. I would hope that this was a wrong assessment, but I feel that perception is still there. Jordan Gross has no question marks surrounding him whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLynchTrain Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 I have not seen Gross play, but assuming what you say about his skills is true, why would he demand less money than Peters ? It is close to a free market - better talent should get paid more. Because most free agents are realistic in the amount of money that they could get....right now the highest paid guys are getting a little under 8 mil a year when their contract averages out. But Peters seems to think that he is predestined to walk into Canton tomorrow. there were numerous articles last summer where Euguene Parker demanded nothing less than 10 mil. Thats obscene. The difference between Gross and Peters is that Peters will accept nothing less than the highest paid lineman in the league while Gross will probably accept top 5 money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 The bills are going to have to make a decision on peters sooner or later, so I don't know how its necessarily fantasy. If by fantasy in the fact that the organization is too stupid or cheap to make any significant moves, then I understand your language. Yep, bingo. There is simply no way that this organization is focused, proactive or fiscally aggressive enough to pull something like this off. And even if by some miracle it did, Gross would blow out his ACL stepping off of the plane at the Buffalo Airport and Peters would go on to a HOF career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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