Gordio Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Since your reading comprehension is subpar, here you go. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs2008...tory?id=3826899 So now the ref is supposed to watch the ball and the jumbotron simultaneously? Read the rule. When the backjudge sees the clock hit 0, he's supposed to look and see if the ball is being snapped. If it is, there is no penalty. If not, he throws the flag. Perhaps if Tennessee had a play clock at field level, the ref would have been a fraction of a second faster and it would have been a penalty. In either case, the penalty had no bearing on the play. Its not like the titans defense stood up and walked to the huddle when the play clock hit 0. They had every chance to make a play on 3rd down and didn't. They should be blaming themselves, NOT the officials. Its not like the ravens got away with a facemask or blatant hold or pass interference. Delay of game doesn't impact the current play. That being said, i agree with the posters above who said that a buzzer or horn or some type of signal would be a better method of judging when the clock hit 0. I have never been to LP Stadium, but if it is anything like the Ralph(whose gameclock is right below the jumbotron) a ref could most certainly look at the gameclock & the snap pretty much simultaneously, especially when the play is pretty much at midfield & certainly should know 2 seconds after the playclock expired & the ball was not snapped to throw the flag. If all refs thought like you how would they call delay of game as soon as the playclock expires, like they do sometimes? & BTW, it does not matter if it did not have any effect on the play(& for you to assume that is a very ignorant statement). How do you know if a cornerback or safety that was covering Heap thought just for a second that there was no play & let his guard down. Bottom line, it was a delay of game, it was against the rules & the play should of never been allowed. The ref blew it plain & simple & it probably cost Tenn their season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cugalabanza Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 So you say. Damn straight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 I have never been to LP Stadium, but if it is anything like the Ralph(whose gameclock is right below the jumbotron) a ref could most certainly look at the gameclock & the snap pretty much simultaneously, especially when the play is pretty much at midfield & certainly should know 2 seconds after the playclock expired & the ball was not snapped to throw the flag. If all refs thought like you how would they call delay of game as soon as the playclock expires, like they do sometimes? & BTW, it does not matter if it did not have any effect on the play(& for you to assume that is a very ignorant statement). How do you know if a cornerback or safety that was covering Heap thought just for a second that there was no play & let his guard down. Bottom line, it was a delay of game, it was against the rules & the play should of never been allowed. The ref blew it plain & simple & it probably cost Tenn their season. Now you're beyond ridiculous. Theres no possible way the backjudge can watch both the ball and the play clock. It takes a split second to look back and forth. One could easily say that the time it took to glance from the ball (between 2500lbs of OL and DL) up to the jumbotron, and then back down to the ball was the amount of time over that the ravens took to snap the ball. And it shouldn't have any effect on the play. Players are taught from the age of 4 to play until you hear the whistle, not to slack off and hope a penalty is called. Refs make mistakes. One was made here, but it isn't the end of the world. The titans could have stopped that play, and they could have made a dozen other plays throughout the game and they would have won. The titans lost because they got beat, not because the refs missed a delay fo game penalty by a second. It is completely asinine to blame the titans loss on the missed delay of game. If they had stopped the play, like a "top defense" is supposed to, we aren't having this conversation today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Now you're beyond ridiculous. Theres no possible way the backjudge can watch both the ball and the play clock. It takes a split second to look back and forth. One could easily say that the time it took to glance from the ball (between 2500lbs of OL and DL) up to the jumbotron, and then back down to the ball was the amount of time over that the ravens took to snap the ball. And it shouldn't have any effect on the play. Players are taught from the age of 4 to play until you hear the whistle, not to slack off and hope a penalty is called. Refs make mistakes. One was made here, but it isn't the end of the world. The titans could have stopped that play, and they could have made a dozen other plays throughout the game and they would have won. The titans lost because they got beat, not because the refs missed a delay fo game penalty by a second. It is completely asinine to blame the titans loss on the missed delay of game. If they had stopped the play, like a "top defense" is supposed to, we aren't having this conversation today. I've never officiated football, but as a former umpire, I will say they blew the call- blown calls happen, but the NFL has instant replay- so this is on the competition committee. Unfortunately the NFL's version of instant replay is more for entertainment value than anything else- coaches should never have anything to do with officiating. Just one of many things that the NFL got wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Damn straight! gringo, Are you overdue for one of my annual "How You Should Live Your Life Take It And Shut Up And Listen To Me" pep talks? I misplaced my schedule... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Now you're beyond ridiculous. Theres no possible way the backjudge can watch both the ball and the play clock. It takes a split second to look back and forth. One could easily say that the time it took to glance from the ball (between 2500lbs of OL and DL) up to the jumbotron, and then back down to the ball was the amount of time over that the ravens took to snap the ball. And it shouldn't have any effect on the play. Players are taught from the age of 4 to play until you hear the whistle, not to slack off and hope a penalty is called. Refs make mistakes. One was made here, but it isn't the end of the world. The titans could have stopped that play, and they could have made a dozen other plays throughout the game and they would have won. The titans lost because they got beat, not because the refs missed a delay fo game penalty by a second. It is completely asinine to blame the titans loss on the missed delay of game. If they had stopped the play, like a "top defense" is supposed to, we aren't having this conversation today. I am not being ridiculous. As usual, your wrong. If the back judge is standing say 10 yards behind the play, your telling me he can not see the play clock winding down & when he sees -0- can not make a determination if the ball has been snapped or not? Who cares if it did not have any effect on the play? It was the wrong call, & once again the refs find a way to f*ck it up in a big game. The play should of never counted & only a true moron would think otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 gringo, Are you overdue for one of my annual "How You Should Live Your Life Take It And Shut Up And Listen To Me" pep talks? I misplaced my schedule... Yeah! Gringo gets taken out behind the woodshed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 I am not being ridiculous. As usual, your wrong. If the back judge is standing say 10 yards behind the play, your telling me he can not see the play clock winding down & when he sees -0- can not make a determination if the ball has been snapped or not? Who cares if it did not have any effect on the play? It was the wrong call, & once again the refs find a way to f*ck it up in a big game. The play should of never counted & only a true moron would think otherwise. As opposed to a pretend moron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Yeah! Gringo gets taken out behind the woodshed! It's gringo, not Gringo. When would you like to be scheduled? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cugalabanza Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 gringo, Are you overdue for one of my annual "How You Should Live Your Life Take It And Shut Up And Listen To Me" pep talks? I misplaced my schedule... Is this some kind of Amway thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 It's gringo, not Gringo. When would you like to be scheduled? beerball is contrite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepizzaking Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 I have never been to LP Stadium, but if it is anything like the Ralph(whose gameclock is right below the jumbotron) a ref could most certainly look at the gameclock & the snap pretty much simultaneously, especially when the play is pretty much at midfield & certainly should know 2 seconds after the playclock expired & the ball was not snapped to throw the flag. If all refs thought like you how would they call delay of game as soon as the playclock expires, like they do sometimes? & BTW, it does not matter if it did not have any effect on the play(& for you to assume that is a very ignorant statement). How do you know if a cornerback or safety that was covering Heap thought just for a second that there was no play & let his guard down. Bottom line, it was a delay of game, it was against the rules & the play should of never been allowed. The ref blew it plain & simple & it probably cost Tenn their season. It was nowhere near 2 seconds after the playcock expired. It was arguably less than a second. It did not cost Tennessee their season, their inability to hold onto the ball in the red zone did. These delay of game calls are wishy washy all the time, not so sure why it matters now all of a sudden... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 It was nowhere near 2 seconds after the playcock expired. It was arguably less than a second. It did not cost Tennessee their season, their inability to hold onto the ball in the red zone did. These delay of game calls are wishy washy all the time, not so sure why it matters now all of a sudden... Gordio has once again decided to put his stupidity on display, which is why it matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 I am not being ridiculous. As usual, your wrong. If the back judge is standing say 10 yards behind the play, your telling me he can not see the play clock winding down & when he sees -0- can not make a determination if the ball has been snapped or not? Who cares if it did not have any effect on the play? It was the wrong call, & once again the refs find a way to f*ck it up in a big game. The play should of never counted & only a true moron would think otherwise. guess you got me! And no, the backjudge cannot see both the ball and the play clock at the same time. The definition of the rule requires him to look from ball to clock back to ball. That takes time, and he cannot "estimate" when the clock hits 0. He has to see the clock hit 0, then check to see if the ball was snapped. If it wasn't, out comes the flag. If you want to argue that a better system is needed, that's fine. But dont sit there and act like the backjudge can see everything at the same time and toss a flag at the instant the clock hits 0. And again, that play had little to do with the titans losing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Apparently the gift non-call of forward lateral must have slipped his mind. Although I hated to see Willis McMoron's team win, I have to give credit to the football gods for screwing over the previously anointed AFC Champion Titans. The football gods have given the gift of tit-for-tat to the boo hooing titans! http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs2008...tory?id=3826899 And the nice thing about it was that it wasn't even close:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 guess you got me! And no, the backjudge cannot see both the ball and the play clock at the same time. The definition of the rule requires him to look from ball to clock back to ball. That takes time, and he cannot "estimate" when the clock hits 0. He has to see the clock hit 0, then check to see if the ball was snapped. If it wasn't, out comes the flag. If you want to argue that a better system is needed, that's fine. But dont sit there and act like the backjudge can see everything at the same time and toss a flag at the instant the clock hits 0. And again, that play had little to do with the titans losing. ridiciulous excuse. That was a good 2 seconds. They have to develope a technique to catch that. Duhhhhh...clock zeeeerrrooooo..now I TURN MY HEAD to seee if balll is snapppppped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 ridiciulous excuse. That was a good 2 seconds. They have to develope a technique to catch that. Duhhhhh...clock zeeeerrrooooo..now I TURN MY HEAD to seee if balll is snapppppped. I agree that a better system needs to be in place. However, look at the video on youtube. The play clock hits 0 at 2:53 left, and the ravens snap the ball with 2:52 left. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLYw8jEEixY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKOOBY Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 I won't be able to sleep tonight, not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfreak Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Technically, we're even with the Titans. As bad as the Music City Miracle was, during the comeback we scored at least one touchdown with a receiver running out of the boundary of play and coming back in untouched (Reed I believe). So, there's that. Also, in Fisher's whining about the delay of game, he neglects to ballyhoo the safety the Ravens should have gotten for tackling Johnson in the endzone, to which Aiello stated, "Baltimore didn't challenge." I thought we had refs on the field to see a play, not challenges to do their job for them? Good point, it was actually Beebe that stepped out, by a country mile too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Sorry to say, but the homerun throwback was legit. The failure in that game was not on the refs, but the Bills special teams unit. I am as big of a Bills fan as there is, but even I have to admit the Music City Miracle was NOT a forward lateral and has been proven not to be a forward lateral countless times. Bills fans need to get over this and accept that our HORRIBLE Special Teams coverage on that play is why we lost the game as the officials got a VERY CLOSE call correct on this play. And this is from someone who was screaming about this during the play, but accpeted the decision after several replays and computer analysis showed it to be a almost exact lateral pass...regardless, it was close to judge and the officials (probably through dumb luck) got this call right. I don't disagree with this, but the officiating in the 1st half of that game was a joke. 1. Peerless Price caught a 3rd down pass that put us in FG range. Incomplete and not reviewed (inside 2 min's). 2. Next possession after a punt, McNair scrambles on 3rd down, marked short of the 1st down. Time out for a review. 3. Tenn FG no good, flag for defensive holding (what?), re-kick. As for the Beebe play, meh, it was a 1st&10 play in a half where their D gave up 35 points, not some backbreaking call on 3rd down. Hard to think that possession would've gone any differently regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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