ieatcrayonz Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 I wonder if the 70 MPH winds might have affected how far he threw last game. Seriously. In two short years Trent has already had to play through the worst weather in franchise history three times. That is freakish. If he has a 10 year career it looks like he'll have to play in the worst weather in franchise history 15 times.
Flbillsfan#1 Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 Well at least he's looking into getting it taken care of. Look at how long Schobel has been screwing around with his injury? The reports last week said they'll determine if he needs surgery in February and if surgery is needed, he'll have to rehab for at least 6 months. So the guy gets paid $8.7 million a year, he will miss a good part of 2 seasons? Trade or cut him, the DE position is suffering because of this. Now with the QB situation, bring in a veteran QB to help Edwards out (in case he is not ready to go right away). It's still too early to give up on Edwards. Besides Evans, who do we really have as a receiving threat that could change the game and make a huge difference...No One!!! Give Edwards a couple more weapons and if he still can't get the job done, then it's time to look for another QB. I agree about a Vet QB, however I think it should be someone that can PUSH Trent into being BETTER. Competition is ALWAYS a GOOD thing.
Steve In Atlanta 2008 Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 Why do you need it repaired if you are only throwing 4 yard checkdowns to josh reed and dump offs to marshawn? The docs prolly told him hold off until it bothers him. And since he doesn't throw passes over 8 yards, it probably wasn't bothering him. Yall heep talking about Trents lack of ability to throw longer passes. My opinion is he does a good job of managing the west coast style offence. In fact, at the end of the day, his yards per completion was better than Rothlisberger, Peyton, Eli, McMabb, Favre of which atleast 2 have a good chance of being hall of fame qbs. I like to back up my opinions with fact.... 1 Philip Rivers 8.4 2 Drew Brees 8.0 2 Matt Schaub 8.0 4 Jake Delhomme 7.9 4 Matt Ryan 7.9 6 Chad Pennington 7.7 6 Tony Romo DAL 7.7 6 Kurt Warner ARI 7.7 9 Aaron Rodgers 7.5 10 Jay Cutler DEN 7.3 11 Matt Cassel NE 7.2 11 Trent Edwards 7.2 11 Gus Frerotte 7.2 11 Jeff Garcia 7.2 11 Peyton Manning 7.2 16 Shaun Hill 7.1 17 Ben Roethlisberger 7.0 18 Joe Flacco 6.9 18 Donovan McNabb 6.9 20 David Garrard 6.8 20 Eli Manning 6.8 22 Brett Favre 23 JaMarcus Russell 6.6 24 Jason Campbell 6.4 24 Kerry Collins 6.4 24 Kyle Orton 6.4 27 Dan Orlovsky 6.3 27 Seneca Wallace 6.3 29 Marc Bulger 6.2 29 Tyler Thigpen 6.2 31 Derek Anderson 5.7
Magox Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 Amazing all this Trent Bashing!!! I think he had a good year considering it was his first full year, and the weapons he had at his disposal. His durability is definitely a concern, but the guy can play, and I have a lot of faith in what he can do for our organization.
KD in CA Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 Oh no. There goes a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd on a QB again. Or more likely all 3 in exchange for a 1st rounder spent on someone from North Dakota State who played on a 3-9 team last season.
ieatcrayonz Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 Yall heep talking about Trents lack of ability to throw longer passes. My opinion is he does a good job of managing the west coast style offence. In fact, at the end of the day, his yards per completion was better than Rothlisberger, Peyton, Eli, McMabb, Favre of which atleast 2 have a good chance of being hall of fame qbs. Does the yards per completion count completions to other teams and their ensuing 80+ yard returns?
ieatcrayonz Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 Amazing all this Trent Bashing!!! I think he had a good year considering it was his first full year, and the weapons he had at his disposal. His durability is definitely a concern, but the guy can play, and I have a lot of faith in what he can do for our organization. If you account for the draft value chart 2009 will actually be his rookie year.
2003Contenders Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 Yall heep talking about Trents lack of ability to throw longer passes. My opinion is he does a good job of managing the west coast style offence. In fact, at the end of the day, his yards per completion was better than Rothlisberger, Peyton, Eli, McMabb, Favre of which atleast 2 have a good chance of being hall of fame qbs. I like to back up my opinions with fact.... 1 Philip Rivers 8.4 2 Drew Brees 8.0 2 Matt Schaub 8.0 4 Jake Delhomme 7.9 4 Matt Ryan 7.9 6 Chad Pennington 7.7 6 Tony Romo DAL 7.7 6 Kurt Warner ARI 7.7 9 Aaron Rodgers 7.5 10 Jay Cutler DEN 7.3 11 Matt Cassel NE 7.2 11 Trent Edwards 7.2 11 Gus Frerotte 7.2 11 Jeff Garcia 7.2 11 Peyton Manning 7.2 16 Shaun Hill 7.1 17 Ben Roethlisberger 7.0 18 Joe Flacco 6.9 18 Donovan McNabb 6.9 20 David Garrard 6.8 20 Eli Manning 6.8 22 Brett Favre 23 JaMarcus Russell 6.6 24 Jason Campbell 6.4 24 Kerry Collins 6.4 24 Kyle Orton 6.4 27 Dan Orlovsky 6.3 27 Seneca Wallace 6.3 29 Marc Bulger 6.2 29 Tyler Thigpen 6.2 31 Derek Anderson 5.7 Not only that, but when he HAD to throw in the 4th quarter against the Pats in Week 17 INTO the wind, I actually thought he displayed some pretty decent arm strength. I really do NOT know where all of this concern about his arm strength comes from. He has demonstrated that he can throw every NFL pass, including the deep out which REQUIRES the most arm strength. He does have a tendency to check down, but I think part of that is because of the nature of the offense -- and part of it is his comfort level in taking the more sure thing rather than gambling for a big play.
GG Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 Yall heep talking about Trents lack of ability to throw longer passes. My opinion is he does a good job of managing the west coast style offence. In fact, at the end of the day, his yards per completion was better than Rothlisberger, Peyton, Eli, McMabb, Favre of which atleast 2 have a good chance of being hall of fame qbs. I like to back up my opinions with fact.... Since you went through the trouble, you don't happen to have the splits between yards traveled in the air, vs after the catch?
Heels20X6 Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 Since you went through the trouble, you don't happen to have the splits between yards traveled in the air, vs after the catch? This is why you rule GG....
Beerball Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 Since you went through the trouble, you don't happen to have the splits between yards traveled in the air, vs after the catch? How about a simple yards per attempt? If I'm looking at the stats correctly... At 10.6 YPA only 5 teams were lower. One of those teams made the playoffs (Indy).
WellDressed Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 This could be good news; as he hesitates going downfield. Could very well be why.
GG Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 How about a simple yards per attempt? If I'm looking at the stats correctly... At 10.6 YPA only 5 teams were lower. One of those teams made the playoffs (Indy). YPA may be misleading if you have a low percentage passer. I'd also have to question how can you get 10.6 YPA, and 7.2 YPC? Canadian math?
The Senator Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 Amazing all this Trent Bashing!!! I think he had a good year considering it was his first full year, and the weapons he had at his disposal. His durability is definitely a concern, but the guy can play, and I have a lot of faith in what he can do for our organization. ???? First full year? Using the well-established JP-bashing guidelines, Edwards is now a well-seasoned, experienced 3-year starter!
Beerball Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 YPA may be misleading if you have a low percentage passer. I'd also have to question how can you get 10.6 YPA, and 7.2 YPC? Canadian math? Low percentage of completions of passes beyond 7 yards would do it wouldn't it? 7.2 per completion, but those we threw longer (raising the YPA) were rarely completed.
2003Contenders Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 OK then, help me. Show me anything that points to this team winning a playoff game in 2009. Give us all a reason why we should be optimistic for this upcoming season with Dick Jauron as the coach. I've "kept the faith" for a long time with this team, but we all have our breaking point. I'm there. OK, I'll bite. Pollyanna time... 1. Free agency. Before declaring 2009 a lost season, let's at least wait and see what the team does in free agency and (to a lesser extent) the draft. A few prudent moves here and there to improve the pass rush, the interior of the offensive line and the TE position could go a long way toward helping this team win a few extra games. The team is in great shape against the cap -- and the decision to retain Jauron saved Wilson millions. There is no reason he shouldn't be willing to pay top dollar for quality free agents. 2. With all of the doom and gloom about how poorly the team played in the division, how about the fact that they actually went 7-3 outside the division? Also, all of those division losses were winnable, as were 2 of the three out-of-division losses. The only game in which they got soundly beat this year was the Arizona game. Yes, I know a loss is a loss, and it doesn't matter whether it was by 1 point or 20 points. My point just is that it would NOT take a significant amount of upgrading to modify the outcome of many of those losses. Another stat of note: .500 on the road. That is a reasonable goal to shoot for every year. It's hard to fathom the team winning only 3 games at home again next season 3. Maybe Jauron just had a bad year? I honestly thought he did a decent enough job the first two years here. The bad coaching decisions are inexcusable, but I don't remember him being so guilty of these types of gaffes in 2006 and 2007. He sure seemed smarter when the team was 5-1 before Trent's mid-season slump. I am sure that he will continue to be out-coached by the likes of Bellichick, but who isn't? 4. The team is a VERY young team. Perhaps the time is ripe for many of the young, core players to grow up. Moreover, wouldn't it be nice if we could get through a season reasonably unscathed by injuries? I wonder how much better the defense would have been with a healthy Crowell and Schobel? Miami probably loses down in Miami if McGee is healthy. If JP Losman had never set foot on the field this year, there is a good chance that we would have won 2-3 more games. Yes, injuries are a part of the game, but it sure does seem like the Bills have had more than their share the past 2 seasons. 5. We get a last place schedule! That only potentially helps in 2 games, but 2 games can make all the difference in the world. 6. The schedule looks really tough, but who's to say how good any of these teams will be?
Steve In Atlanta 2008 Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 Since you went through the trouble, you don't happen to have the splits between yards traveled in the air, vs after the catch? Does it matter? an average is an average... Yall will NEVER be happy. Youre the same ones who complained about Jim Kelly too! LOL
Beerball Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 Does it matter? an average is an average... Yall will NEVER be happy. Youre the same ones who complained about Jim Kelly too! LOL Thoughts on the yards per attempt?
GG Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 Does it matter? an average is an average... Yall will NEVER be happy. Youre the same ones who complained about Jim Kelly too! LOL Actually it does. The only average that is absolute is 3.5. Everything else is relative. Kind of like believing WC offense doesn't need Jerry Rice to be super successful. And yes, I complained about Jim Kelly. But it was not about his toughness.
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