The case for Mangini

[Reddy Freddy]

I know everyone and their brother is prematurely counting on Jauron being fired, and even more prematurely predicting or advocating for his replacement. So I guess I'll go ahead and join the mix ...

 

Eric Mangini. 37 years old. 2 winning seasons in 3 years with average talent in New York. Just a short time ago was known in NY and around the football world as Mangenius. Enemy of Bill Belichick. New enemy of the New York Football Jets. Seems like the vindictive type and probably would like nothing more than two play both of these enemies twice a season. Certainly knows the AFC East, with intimate knowledge of the Pats and Jets. Probably would not come with a huge price tag.

 

Lock it up.

[Poeticlaw]

I know everyone and their brother is prematurely counting on Jauron being fired, and even more prematurely predicting or advocating for his replacement. So I guess I'll go ahead and join the mix ...

 

Eric Mangini. 37 years old. 2 winning seasons in 3 years with average talent in New York. Just a short time ago was known in NY and around the football world as Mangenius. Enemy of Bill Belichick. New enemy of the New York Football Jets. Seems like the vindictive type and probably would like nothing more than two play both of these enemies twice a season. Probably would not come with a huge price tag.

 

Lock it up.

 

JUST SAY NO!!!!

 

Mangini has proven to be a whiner and a baby calling out the mentor for beating his but by stealing plays wah wah.

 

Mangini cannot get along with his QBs he was so quick to get rid of pennington the AFC EAST CHAMP QB to bring in a falling star that didnt like him eihter. You think Jauron look sbad on the sidlines do you see his moping face on the sidelines it looks like he wants to cry.

 

Outside of that he has even more issues with game managemnt then Jauron does and maybe you are trying to fool your self but the JEst have better talent than we do so his record is a reflection of that not his ability to coach because if it was based on his coahcing ability the Jets would have won the division and he would still have a job.

[Max997]

I know everyone and their brother is prematurely counting on Jauron being fired, and even more prematurely predicting or advocating for his replacement. So I guess I'll go ahead and join the mix ...

 

Eric Mangini. 37 years old. 2 winning seasons in 3 years with average talent in New York. Just a short time ago was known in NY and around the football world as Mangenius. Enemy of Bill Belichick. New enemy of the New York Football Jets. Seems like the vindictive type and probably would like nothing more than two play both of these enemies twice a season. Probably would not come with a huge price tag.

 

Lock it up.

 

its funny you bring this up because I thought the same thing this morning...Im not a huge Mangini fan but it would make sense considering what options Ralph would be willing to go after and more importantly to Ralph, he wouldnt command a huge salary

 

the hard feelings for the Pats and now the Jets is obviously appealing

[murra]

What?

 

Are you that happy with mediocrity. We're talking about a guy who was able to capitalize on mid-season wins due to the luck of the Favreish and rigged NY calls.

 

We're talking about a guy who, against the Bills, declined a penalty that would force us to a fourth down and kick a field goal, inevitably we threw an interception, and made him look like a genius, but you don't decline that penalty.

 

We're talking about a guy who was hired almost exclusively on the off chance that Billicheat rubbed off all his goody strategies into this fat lump of sh--.

 

We're talking about a guy who, like Jauron had a meltdown of epic proportions in the final 5 games of the season.

 

We're talking about a guy who in three seasons has 23 wins. (Jauron had 21)

 

You want Mangenius? Are you that dense? You're trying to tell me that you're not satisfied with Jauron, but you'll entertain the idea of tossing in some chump who's hardly any better into the Buffalo parade?

[BuffaloWings]

He's not getting a head coaching gig anytime soon. Word has it that he's not exactly trusted, per PFT.

 

Mangini

 

I think he overachieved in his first season, then came back to earth last year. The 2008 campaign really should have been an 8-8 season (including 3 losses to teams that will be drafting in the top 10) if it weren't for Jauron's brilliant play-calling...and that's with a ton of money they spent on free agents, plus trading for a 39-year-old "savior" QB.

[zow2]

I agree.

 

This smells like the Pennington thing...how he went to Miami and got rejuvinated to beat his old team and re-establish himself.

 

Mangini has already beaten Belicheck a couple times. He does not have to "learn the ropes" to be a head coach. He knows the division. I know Jets fans were critical of the play calling down the stretch (they wanted more running, less Favre)...but here's a newsflash. EVERY NFL fanbase is critical of their teams play calling unless they win the Superbowl.

 

I would not mind a bit to see him coaching in Buffalo.

[Reddy Freddy]

What?

 

Are you that happy with mediocrity. We're talking about a guy who was able to capitalize on mid-season wins due to the luck of the Favreish and rigged NY calls.

 

We're talking about a guy who, against the Bills, declined a penalty that would force us to a fourth down and kick a field goal, inevitably we threw an interception, and made him look like a genius, but you don't decline that penalty.

 

We're talking about a guy who was hired almost exclusively on the off chance that Billicheat rubbed off all his goody strategies into this fat lump of sh--.

 

We're talking about a guy who, like Jauron had a meltdown of epic proportions in the final 5 games of the season.

 

We're talking about a guy who in three seasons has 23 wins. (Jauron had 21)

 

You want Mangenius? Are you that dense? You're trying to tell me that you're not satisfied with Jauron, but you'll entertain the idea of tossing in some chump who's hardly any better into the Buffalo parade?

 

Like it or not, the Jets do not have much better talent than the Bills, if at all. I would go through a position-by-position comparison but I don't feel like taking the time.

 

I am not enthralled with Mangini. I would love an available coach who has a long record of hugely successful winning seasons in the NFL. Unfortunately, that list is pretty much limited to 1 (Cowher), and he might be a little tough to get.

 

I'm trying to be realistic while at the same time getting a guy with some upside. Mangini is only 37. As we always hear around this time of year, Bill Belichick was fired in Cleveland and Mike Shanahan was fired in Oakland. Between them, I believe they have 5 total Super Bowl rings now?

[murra]

Like it or not, the Jets do not have much better talent than the Bills, if at all. I would go through a position-by-position comparison but I don't feel like taking the time.

 

I am not enthralled with Mangini. I would love an available coach who has a long record of hugely successful winning seasons in the NFL. Unfortunately, that list is pretty much limited to 1 (Cowher), and he might be a little tough to get.

 

I'm trying to be realistic while at the same time getting a guy with some upside. Mangini is only 37. As we always hear around this time of year, Bill Belichick was fired in Cleveland and Mike Shanahan was fired in Oakland. Between them, I believe they have 5 total Super Bowl rings now?

 

Ok. You've just displayed to me that you will continue to drink that kool aid and only look at the upside of whoever we eventually bring in. I agree, we will probably not get an upper tier coach. But the talent question aside (I think it's not very accurate as the Jets have a better defensive line than the Bills), Man Genius won 2 more games than Jauron. And if we win one of the close Jets game we lost this year it would be a wash.

 

I'm sorry. He is Jauron's younger brother. You don't want that guy.

[Thurman#1]

Like it or not, the Jets do not have much better talent than the Bills, if at all. I would go through a position-by-position comparison but I don't feel like taking the time.

 

I am not enthralled with Mangini. I would love an available coach who has a long record of hugely successful winning seasons in the NFL. Unfortunately, that list is pretty much limited to 1 (Cowher), and he might be a little tough to get.

 

I'm trying to be realistic while at the same time getting a guy with some upside. Mangini is only 37. As we always hear around this time of year, Bill Belichick was fired in Cleveland and Mike Shanahan was fired in Oakland. Between them, I believe they have 5 total Super Bowl rings now?

 

 

 

Are you kidding? The Jets don't have better talent? They do. The Bills are younger and less talented. Things could change as our young guys mature, but right now their roster is clearly better than ours. Especially on the lines and at QB and WR.

[Reddy Freddy]

No.

 

Coming from a family of Jets fans. I can tell you this guy is just as bad as Jauron after witnessing the last 3 Jets games of the season.

 

This is an absolutely ridiculous statement. You can make an accurate assessment of a coach's ability on the basis of 3 games? It's very difficult to make such an assessment in 3 seasons!

[Thurman#1]

Are you kidding? The Jets don't have better talent? They do. The Bills are younger and less talented. Things could change as our young guys mature, but right now their roster is clearly better than ours. Especially on the lines and at QB and WR.

 

And QB is kind of imporant.

[bigfootindy]

Anyone else think he might be a better DC for us than head coach?

[Reddy Freddy]

Man Genius won 2 more games than Jauron. And if we win one of the close Jets game we lost this year it would be a wash.

 

My friend, I think you're holding the stats too closely. The only bad season he had was last year when Pennington was injured and he had to try to win with Kellen Clemens. They went 4-12. This year they improved to 9-7. Not too long ago they were 8-3 and considered a favorite to go to the Super Bowl. He is getting fired based largely on the fact that their lack of top talent and Favre's age caught up with them down the stretch.

[Huuuge Bills]

Anyone else think he might be a better DC for us than head coach?

 

He's a 3-4 guy, and we clearly don't have the personel.

[murra]

This is an absolutely ridiculous statement. You can make an accurate assessment of a coach's ability on the basis of 3 games? It's very difficult to make such an assessment in 3 seasons!

 

No it's not. I can pick you three games under Dick Jauron that, more than any other, have led me to hop on the fire dick band wagon.

 

What's ridiculous is your continuing support for Man Genius while refusing to make valid arguments (For the record, age doesn't count. You want a more experienced coach. This isn't a quarterback we're talking about here).

[murra]

My friend, I think you're holding the stats too closely. The only bad season he had was last year when Pennington was injured and he had to try to win with Kellen Clemens. They went 4-12. This year they improved to 9-7. Not too long ago they were 8-3 and considered a favorite to go to the Super Bowl. He is getting fired based largely on the fact that their lack of top talent and Favre's age caught up with them down the stretch.

 

My friend I think YOU are holding stats too closely. Last season the Bills had an opportunity to really make a playoff run, but were plagued with injuries and unfortunate early season losses. Not too long ago, the Bills were 5-1, a favorite for the Division. Dude, you can spin it anyway you like, but Man Genius and Jauron are equally incapable of producing a team with serious contention.

[Reddy Freddy]

No it's not. I can pick you three games under Dick Jauron that, more than any other, have led me to hop on the fire dick band wagon.

 

What's ridiculous is your continuing support for Man Genius while refusing to make valid arguments (For the record, age doesn't count. You want a more experienced coach. This isn't a quarterback we're talking about here).

 

Let me spell out the arguments for you again. Read slowly if it helps.

 

Three years ago (2006), Mangini joined the Jets and turned the 4-12 team he inherited into a 10-6 playoff team with very little elite talent. The following season (2007) they regressed badly, at least in part because of Pennington's injury problems. Regardless, 2006 was a bad year for Mangini and the Jets. This year, they improved 5 games, about back to where they were in 2006, finishing with a 9-7 record.

 

Mangini is still a young coach with things to learn. But he has head coaching experience and is still known as a bright, young (37 years old) defensive mind. He knows the AFC East very well. He strongly dislikes Bill Belichick and, presumably, the Jets now and would probably take great pleasure in beating both teams. He has firsthand knowledge of both franchises' personnel and coaching staffs. Not long ago he was referred to as "Man-genius" because he was so successful at a young age. That success has been tarnished somewhat by a bad 2007 season and a bad last 5 games in 2008.

 

Still, considering the alternatives we have to choose from if Jauron is fired, I think it's worth taking a shot on a guy with his bloodlines, upside, knowledge of the division, and record of 2 winning seasons in 3 years with the Jets. Would I rather have Cowher? Yes. Would I rather have some other re-tread like Marty Schottenheimer? No.

[bigskyfan]

He's a 3-4 guy, and we clearly don't have the personel.

 

 

Not sure we have 4-3 personel either

[murra]

Let me spell out the arguments for you again. Read slowly if it helps.

 

Three years ago (2006), Mangini joined the Jets and turned the 4-12 team he inherited into a 10-6 playoff team with very little elite talent. The following season (2007) they regressed badly, at least in part because of Pennington's injury problems. Regardless, 2006 was a bad year for Mangini and the Jets. This year, they improved 5 games, about back to where they were in 2006, finishing with a 9-7 record.

 

Mangini is still a young coach with things to learn. But he has head coaching experience and is still known as a bright, young (37 years old) defensive mind. He knows the AFC East very well. He strongly dislikes Bill Belichick and, presumably, the Jets now and would probably take great pleasure in beating both teams. He has firsthand knowledge of the way both franchises' personnel and coaching staffs. Not long ago he was referred to as "Man-genius" because he was so successful at a young age. That success has been tarnished somewhat by a bad 2007 season and a bad last 5 games in 2008.

 

Still, considering the alternatives we have to choose from if Jauron is fired, I think it's worth taking a shot on a guy with his bloodlines, upside, knowledge of the division, and record of 2 winning seasons in 3 years with the Jets. Would I rather have Cowher? Yes. Would I rather have some other re-tread like Marty Schottenheimer? No.

 

As I was preparing my retort I re-read that last line and it made me chuckle aloud and prevented me from continuing on. You prefer Man Genius to Schottenheimer. I can't debate with someone who is legally insane.

[Reddy Freddy]

As I was preparing my retort I re-read that last line and it made me chuckle aloud and prevented me from continuing on. You prefer Man Genius to Schottenheimer. I can't debate with someone who is legally insane.

 

Wow, you're an angry dude. Since I think your logic is flawed and your general demeanor is foul, I think I'll compliment you on your avatar. Swingers is a classic. Who's the big winner today? Murra! Murra's the big winner!