BillnutinHouston Posted December 29, 2008 Posted December 29, 2008 DUMBEST.............POST...........EVER Since you are into futility, I guess you've already tried building a RW voodoo doll and poking the hell out of it?
The_Philster Posted December 30, 2008 Posted December 30, 2008 Better no team at all than one owned by Ralph. Relocating is a step up from the current situation. At least if he relocates there's a chance that we could pull off a Cleveland, a St. Louis, a Baltimore, or a Houston and get a team again but without Ralph Wilson being involved. It's a risk that is well worth taking. Thank you for that idiotic post. You obviously know nothing about the economic situation in Buffalo. It's already in bad shape and losing the team will only make things worse and force even more people to leave the area. There are lots of people whose livelihoods depend on the Bills directly and indirectly. Those people will have to leave the area looking for work. Then there will be even more people hurting because goods and services won't get bought and more businesses will close. Cleveland was already on its way back up when they lost the Browns. A few more years and they would've had the new stadium that Modell was demanding. I'm not as aware of what the economic situations were like in the other citier you mentioned when they lost their teams although the fact that each of them had at least 2 other major sports teams to help lessen the blow of losing an NFL team for a time makes one think that it wasn't as major an impact that losing the Bills would be to Western NY. You're not gonna get Ralph to sell the team nor does he have any intention of moving it but if we have enough fairweather fans abandoning the team, then there might be a better chance of an owner buying the team after Ralph passes who will love it...and it could be decades before the NFL thinks of looking at Buffalo again, if ever.
NC Bills Brigade Posted December 30, 2008 Posted December 30, 2008 take 700 million for the team divide it by 500,000 shares = $1400 a share. Fans buy the shares/team. goodbye Ralph.
bills8491 Posted December 30, 2008 Posted December 30, 2008 Ralph Wilson is simply not fit to run this team, and his contempt for Buffalo is palpable everytime he is asked about the future of the franchise. He could care less if they win, could care less if the team remains in Buffalo long term, and could care less what the fans think as long as he gets his money. Well, I think it's time to run him out of town. We shouldn't just take what he gives us and say thank you because we have so little esteem we're just happy to have anything at all. If he wants to threaten us with relocation I say we respond by telling him to go to hell. Better to have this cold, greedy ass-hole take his miser act someplace else, because he's done nothing but take advantage of our loyalties as fans, spit on us, and crap on our faces when we complain. Ralph: Do us all a favor and get rid of the team. Relocate it if you don't think Buffalo is good enough for the NFL, or sell it now to the highest bidder and let the chips fall where they may. Just get the hell out and don't let the door hit you in the ass. Here's to you and that family fortune we paid for going bankrupt. Bills fans should say "ENOUGH" and turn their backs on Wilson's garbage he calls a team. We aren't going to play the battered wife role forever; just take it again and again because we don't want to risk being alone. We'll do just fine without you Ralph, thanks. GET OUT!
VJ91 Posted December 30, 2008 Posted December 30, 2008 The fans did a great job forcing out the leftover Culverhouse scum after Hugh died in Tampa. The fans in St' Louis all but ran Bidwell out on a rail. In Houston they shoved out Bud Adams two years early on his Astrodome lease. It can be done, people. The Tampa fans forced what? And the St. Louis Cardinal fans all but ran what? And the old Houston Oilers fans shoved what? The fans of those cities had the least amount of influence on those owners' decisions of all. One wealthy family sold the Bucs to another wealthy family. Bidwell left for greener pastures in Phoenix, and Adams did the same leaving Houston for Nashville. The new owners in Tampa improved the team, managed to get a new stadium financed by the taxpayers or paid for by himself, and even got a SB Championship for the fans of Tampa. But there were no "fans forcing scum owners out" or whatever the hell you said they did. The fans of St. Louis waited 7 or 8 years until they saw an opportunity to do to Los Angeles what Phoenix had done to them. They puckered up for the Rosenblooms and paid them a king's ransom to move the Rams in. Now the Rosemblooms seem to want out of the NFL business themselves, but they did get a SB Championship for the St. Louis RAMS fans to enjoy. The Houston fans had to wait a few years for the expansion Texans to roll in and take them for a financial ride, getting their new stadium built that Adams could never get after the Astro Dome became old. But like the St. Louis fans before them, they antied up to get the NFL back. So if you mean that owners could sell to other millionaires, and move franchises to other cities when you say: "IT CAN HAPPEN", you're right. But if you want to try to portray the fans of those cities as some kind of heros that stood up for their rights to cheer for good football teams only, you are living in a fantasy world akin to some out here that think Ralph Wilson will hire Bill Parcells.
bills8491 Posted December 30, 2008 Posted December 30, 2008 Thats the best thing i've read on here someone say!
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted December 30, 2008 Posted December 30, 2008 Agree, Totally irrelevant! The difference between Bills fans and the battered wife is the battered wife may have other options. She can hope there may be a better man out there for her and in most cases there is. Since you bring this example up, lets just assume for a second there are 31 other guys in her neighborhood all filthy rich, all with wives who on a 1 to 10 scale half are 11's and the other half are in the 7 to 8 range. And instead of a neighborhood, lets assume it's a deserted island that these 32 couples live on with little chance of any newcomers showing up unless someone washes ashore. Now we have live in the NFL! This battered wife though is about a 2 and getting older and uglier every day. So she has a choice leave the battering husband and convince hereself that one of these other 31 millionaires is going to dump their 11 for her, or maybe some other millionaire out of the blue will show up and rather than try to woo one of the 11's away they are going to fall in love with the ugly stepchild and marry her and live happily ever after. Or she can face reality and realize her choices are continue being the battered wife or leave him and spend the rest of her life alone. But at least she's smart enough to know one of these other guys with the trophy wives isn't coming for her. So in the case of the Bill's staying the battered wife is the only choice or be along. Bufflao is not getting a second chance! If you'd rather have the Bill's leave and have no team here, that's fine, no problem with that, but if you think forcing RW out will bring another team in, you're delusional. So if you want to stop being the doormat as you call it and walk out, fine, just don't expect him to come and beg you to return, cause the door will be locked behind you. The battered wife post of the year, folks. Crying because we should feel lucky anyone will have us. So he gave us a black eye, some bruised ribs, a few chunks of hair missing, sleeps with other women in other cities, at least he was willing to marry me in 1960. He may not be perfect, but I'd never get another suitor...look at me, I'm ugly and depressed...whaaaa!! Come on, already! Stand up and show some pride in yourself! Stop being his doormat and walk out! Leave him!!
VJ91 Posted December 30, 2008 Posted December 30, 2008 take 700 million for the team divide it by 500,000 shares = $1400 a share. Fans buy the shares/team. goodbye Ralph. Great plan. If Wilson would sell the team to the fans. And if the NFL would allow fans/shareholders to own a franchise, which they have repeatedly said they would not, and that Green Bay will always be the only publicly-owned NFL franchise....ever. Other then those minor details, I think you should start printing the stock certificates.
paleo Posted December 30, 2008 Posted December 30, 2008 The Tampa fans forced what? And the St. Louis Cardinal fans all but ran what? And the old Houston Oilers fans shoved what? The fans of those cities had the least amount of influence on those owners' decisions of all. One wealthy family sold the Bucs to another wealthy family. Bidwell left for greener pastures in Phoenix, and Adams did the same leaving Houston for Nashville. The new owners in Tampa improved the team, managed to get a new stadium financed by the taxpayers or paid for by himself, and even got a SB Championship for the fans of Tampa. But there were no "fans forcing scum owners out" or whatever the hell you said they did. The fans of St. Louis waited 7 or 8 years until they saw an opportunity to do to Los Angeles what Phoenix had done to them. They puckered up for the Rosenblooms and paid them a king's ransom to move the Rams in. Now the Rosemblooms seem to want out of the NFL business themselves, but they did get a SB Championship for the St. Louis RAMS fans to enjoy. The Houston fans had to wait a few years for the expansion Texans to roll in and take them for a financial ride, getting their new stadium built that Adams could never get after the Astro Dome became old. But like the St. Louis fans before them, they antied up to get the NFL back. So if you mean that owners could sell to other millionaires, and move franchises to other cities when you say: "IT CAN HAPPEN", you're right. But if you want to try to portray the fans of those cities as some kind of heros that stood up for their rights to cheer for good football teams only, you are living in a fantasy world akin to some out here that think Ralph Wilson will hire Bill Parcells. Right on! Ralph isn't the devil, nor is he an angel. He is a businessman doing the only thing he could do to make money in a shrinking market (other than leaving it or selling). He keeps the ticket prices very low and the pay levels very low. Neither he (nor anyone else) can financially compete with today's NFL aristocracy, with a team located in Buffalo. So, as several others have indicated, our choice today is support the Bills or not. Our choice in the future may be to root for a team in some far away city or stop following pro football. We have no influence, no gripe and no brains if we think it will get better. But it's definitely not a battered wife syndrome. We are not trapped in a lifestyle ruining situation. We are sports enthusiasts who can decide if we want to continue to support an entertainment venue... or not. Quit making it sound lifethreatening.
manateefan Posted December 30, 2008 Posted December 30, 2008 Time for NYC to start funding Buffalo projects instead of the other way around. This uproar would create the perfect opportunity to force investment here to rebuild a new stadium downtown, on a rebuilt waterfront, and give the city a shiny new start. Out with the bad... Never going to happen. You are talking about a city (Buffalo) that has been steadily losing population, industry, jobs, etc. Rochester has also. The best way to get any growth in the rest of New York State is to get NYC out of the state and make them a District like Washington, D.C., or their own state. All of New York State has been and will continue to keep playing for NYC.
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted December 30, 2008 Posted December 30, 2008 30 years ago would have been a good idea, now there's nothing left in rest of state to even support itself. Don't know if this is true, but it does make sense, I heard back in the 90's when stock market was going crazy in a positive direction, all that money changing hands in the NY Stock exchange was subject to some types of "corp taxes" since it was made within NY state, hence NYC added a whole bunch of money into the state which everyone benefited from in rest of state Never going to happen. You are talking about a city (Buffalo) that has been steadily losing population, industry, jobs, etc. Rochester has also. The best way to get any growth in the rest of New York State is to get NYC out of the state and make them a District like Washington, D.C., or their own state. All of New York State has been and will continue to keep playing for NYC.
BillnutinHouston Posted December 30, 2008 Posted December 30, 2008 take 700 million for the team divide it by 500,000 shares = $1400 a share. Fans buy the shares/team. goodbye Ralph. WOW.......I'll take a few shares of that. Oh I forgot, the NFL doesn't permit community ownership anymore.
BillnutinHouston Posted December 30, 2008 Posted December 30, 2008 So if you mean that owners could sell to other millionaires, and move franchises to other cities when you say: "IT CAN HAPPEN", you're right. But if you want to try to portray the fans of those cities as some kind of heros that stood up for their rights to cheer for good football teams only, you are living in a fantasy world akin to some out here that think Ralph Wilson will hire Bill Parcells. Good post - well said.
eliteqb Posted December 30, 2008 Posted December 30, 2008 If/when the Bills go, they ain't comin back and don't hold your breath for another team to move in - that ain't gonna happen. It'll be the end of NFL football in Buffalo forever. So take your pick, try to keep what we have now or kiss your only NFL team goodbye forever... I vote to keep what we have because its way better than nothing.....
Endzone Animal Posted December 30, 2008 Author Posted December 30, 2008 So take your pick, try to keep what we have now or kiss your only NFL team goodbye forever... I vote to keep what we have because its way better than nothing... Not surprised to see this board filled with so many battered wives still groveling about how it's better to have a cheap, cheating, lowlife, abusive husband than no husband at all. It's natural to be conditioned to think this way after so many years of degradation; having so little self respect you'll take anything at all, no matter how terrible and shameful, because you fear being alone. Breaking free of this mindset is incredibly difficult, and I would not expect to get any different reaction than that here at the epicenter for fans in denial of their battered wife syndrome. What many of you don't realize is that outside of the little message board cacoon there are plenty of fans who are filing for divorce from Ralph. Longtime fans leaving him, fans who have stayed through both good times and bad for decades, who have finally taken one too many backhands across the mouth and are moving on. Some are interested in dating new suitors, while others are just content to give up on NFL fanhood altogether. Most of us, though, are taking time off to clear our heads, not sure if or when we will be willing or able to open our hearts up to any NFL team ever again. It's all over for so many of us. Ralph is our abusive ex-husband who took our hearts and money and trampled it to dust. We do not forgive him, we will not reconcile, we don't accept that he'll really change somehow and everything will be OK, or that we are really to blame for our abuse and make excuses for his behavior. He's out, gone, kicked to the curb, and we will never, ever be willing to return to that disfunctional relationship ever again. Consider this thread a support group, therapy, a place for all of us former battered wives who finally had enough of the abuse, stood up for ourselves at last, and divorced Ralph Wilson. We can commiserate about our abuse and all the times we took it, speak in one big, loud voice to tell him and his team they can go to hell. It will be good for us to help each other through the heartache and anger that has finally now boiled over after all these miserasble years of abuse. Belt out these words, people; they are cathartic: "GET OUT, RALPH!"
Yoho Posted December 30, 2008 Posted December 30, 2008 Not surprised to see this board filled with so many battered wives still groveling about how it's better to have a cheap, cheating, lowlife, abusive husband than no husband at all. It's natural to be conditioned to think this way after so many years of degradation; having so little self respect you'll take anything at all, no matter how terrible and shameful, because you fear being alone. Breaking free of this mindset is incredibly difficult, and I would not expect to get any different reaction than that here at the epicenter for fans in denial of their battered wife syndrome. What many of you don't realize is that outside of the little message board cacoon there are plenty of fans who are filing for divorce from Ralph. Longtime fans leaving him, fans who have stayed through both good times and bad for decades, who have finally taken one too many backhands across the mouth and are moving on. Some are interested in dating new suitors, while others are just content to give up on NFL fanhood altogether. Most of us, though, are taking time off to clear our heads, not sure if or when we will be willing or able to open our hearts up to any NFL team ever again. It's all over for so many of us. Ralph is our abusive ex-husband who took our hearts and money and trampled it to dust. We do not forgive him, we will not reconcile, we don't accept that he'll really change somehow and everything will be OK, or that we are really to blame for our abuse and make excuses for his behavior. He's out, gone, kicked to the curb, and we will never, ever be willing to return to that disfunctional relationship ever again. Consider this thread a support group, therapy, a place for all of us former battered wives who finally had enough of the abuse, stood up for ourselves at last, and divorced Ralph Wilson. We can commiserate about our abuse and all the times we took it, speak in one big, loud voice to tell him and his team they can go to hell. It will be good for us to help each other through the heartache and anger that has finally now boiled over after all these miserasble years of abuse. Belt out these words, people; they are cathartic: "GET OUT, RALPH!" Cute analogy at first but you seem a little obsessed with it.
jester43 Posted December 30, 2008 Posted December 30, 2008 morning everyone. how's the campaign going? have we won yet?
thebandit27 Posted December 30, 2008 Posted December 30, 2008 Not surprised to see this board filled with so many battered wives still groveling about how it's better to have a cheap, cheating, lowlife, abusive husband than no husband at all. It's natural to be conditioned to think this way after so many years of degradation; having so little self respect you'll take anything at all, no matter how terrible and shameful, because you fear being alone. Breaking free of this mindset is incredibly difficult, and I would not expect to get any different reaction than that here at the epicenter for fans in denial of their battered wife syndrome. What many of you don't realize is that outside of the little message board cacoon there are plenty of fans who are filing for divorce from Ralph. Longtime fans leaving him, fans who have stayed through both good times and bad for decades, who have finally taken one too many backhands across the mouth and are moving on. Some are interested in dating new suitors, while others are just content to give up on NFL fanhood altogether. Most of us, though, are taking time off to clear our heads, not sure if or when we will be willing or able to open our hearts up to any NFL team ever again. It's all over for so many of us. Ralph is our abusive ex-husband who took our hearts and money and trampled it to dust. We do not forgive him, we will not reconcile, we don't accept that he'll really change somehow and everything will be OK, or that we are really to blame for our abuse and make excuses for his behavior. He's out, gone, kicked to the curb, and we will never, ever be willing to return to that disfunctional relationship ever again. Consider this thread a support group, therapy, a place for all of us former battered wives who finally had enough of the abuse, stood up for ourselves at last, and divorced Ralph Wilson. We can commiserate about our abuse and all the times we took it, speak in one big, loud voice to tell him and his team they can go to hell. It will be good for us to help each other through the heartache and anger that has finally now boiled over after all these miserasble years of abuse. Belt out these words, people; they are cathartic: "GET OUT, RALPH!" No, you humungous idiot. Ralph is the owner of a football team, not an abusive spouse. There is no comparison between the two. It is insulting to anyone with any level of cognitive intelligence that you make the comparison. I sincerely hope that nobody you know ever has to experience the reality of an abusive spouse. That is the most ignorrant comment I think I've ever read. Wanting to keep a football team in the area is not anywhere near the same as being physically abused by someone bigger and stronger than you. Just because you are angry and immature does not mean you can shoot your mouth off about a subject for which you clearly have no respect. If you don't like the team anymore, fine, don't watch. That's your right. To piss and moan about it and try to drag other people into your personal misery over it is simply pathetic. Guess what moron, the rest of us can be adults about the fact that the team isn't very good and the owner doesn't care that much. We are not lower forms of humanity because we still love the team. We are not "abused", and the fact that you continue to lean on that terminology makes me wonder if you have any clue what the word means. News flash you self-pity-loathen fool: there are only 32 places in the entire world where professional football teams reside. I, for one, am DAMN proud to live in one of those places. I am PROUD to go out there every Sunday and cheer for my team. I am PROUD to be able to say I watched the likes of Jim Kelly, Thurman Thomas, Bruce Smith and other future hall-of-famers play some of the best football in recent history. And yes, I am PROUD to say that when the going got tough, I didn't act like a 5-year old that thought they deserved better because a billionaire that quite literally owes me nothing didn't pander to me. Ralph didn't "take our hearts" you half-wit, he provided the area with a professional sports franchise that you can CHOOSE to be part of. It's not his duty, it's not your right, it's a PRIVILEGE. People like you don't understand the difference. You are not a victim because the team isn't good. That is a loser's mentality, and I pity you for it. If you had soooo much self-respect, why come on a message board and cry about it? I think I know the answer to that one, it's because you want everyone to sob along with you, so that you can feel like you're justified in your "poor me the owner of the football team that I cheer for doesn't love me" mind set. Do the rest of us a favor: grow up, and stop making light of spousal abuse.
bleedinblue Posted December 30, 2008 Posted December 30, 2008 What many of you don't realize is that outside of the little message board cacoon there are plenty of fans who are filing for divorce from Ralph. Longtime fans leaving him, fans who have stayed through both good times and bad for decades, who have finally taken one too many backhands across the mouth and are moving on. What you don't seem to realize is that outside of your little personal cocoon is that Ralph owns this team and can do with it as he pleases. No one is forcing you to watch, buy or support, there are 32 teams in this league, find an owner you can embrace. The majority of Bill's fans are just that...Bill's fans and support their team through thick and thin. Those who have seen good times and bad times and realize that both occur in both sports and life. Not to say that they aren't critical, that too is part of being a fan, but the Bills are their team and that runs deep.
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