GWB and where the buck stops

[blzrul]

Oh it gets better. I heard Bush's emissary Rudy Guiliani on the radio, defending His Smirkiness. Rudy in all his outspoken genius actually had the NERVE to say that maybe it was the military's fault because they didn't look and they didn't secure!

 

Now I thought Rudy did a lot of good things for NYC and he did a good job during 9/11 holding the city together...which is why it's all the more sickening that he'd suck it up and say crap like to excuse the inexcusable.

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[RuntheDamnBall]

I trust these thoughts will warm your soul as you watch jihadists party in the streets with their assault rifles at the announcement of a Kerry victory (if that happens).  It will be an international love-in among them, the French, and the libs.  Great pack you libs run with...

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That's right. After my celebratory escargot dinner, I'm gonna hit up Arafat on speed-dial after the Kerry victory just so I can get him the message before it's too late.

 

Say Hi to Timothy McVeigh for me.

[Terry Tate]

First. Thanks to most of the original posters for ignoring the point.

 

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But how can you "conservatives" support this flimsy gutless unintelligent liberal in conservative clothing? How, how, how for the love of DC Tom, how can you do it?

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You're welcome. Thanks for ignoring my response, which was just how does this apology further our national interest?

 

I can support the President because I think Mr Kerry is flimsier, more gutless, less intelligent, and more liberal. Not the most ringing endorsement, I know, but you chose the standards, so I went with it. I believe the alternative to be worse.

 

I understand you have a different point of view. I don't agree with it, I'll argue it with you, but I understand you've gathered the available information and reached a different opinion. Perhaps your difficulty in comprehending my view is that you've concluded that your opinions are facts, and alternatives are impossible.

[John Adams]

You're welcome. Thanks for ignoring my response, which was just how does this apology further our national interest?

 

I can support the President because I think Mr Kerry is flimsier, more gutless, less intelligent, and more liberal. Not the most ringing endorsement, I know, but you chose the standards, so I went with it. I believe the alternative to be worse.

 

I understand you have a different point of view. I don't agree with it, I'll argue it with you, but I understand you've gathered the available information and reached a different opinion. Perhaps your difficulty in comprehending my view is that you've concluded that your opinions are facts, and alternatives are impossible.

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You just can't stop yourself from bringing up Kerry. Does your man have no record to stand on? Is his existence right now solely defined by his opponent.

 

You cannot believe he attacked Iraq because Saddam was bad. He sold the attack to the country in the State of the Union Address--within months of 9-11-- by whipping up WMD and even nuclear concerns. That's a fact. He now admits there were no WMD in Iraq. That's a fact. What he won't say is that he made a mistake, and look the few hundred million of his employers who think he made a mistake in the eye and say "the buck stops here."

 

Two years, 1000+ American lives, foreign relations harmed, two hundred billion dollars, civilian deaths, no real hope of a clean exit... I think he has at least some 'splaining to do.

 

My appeal to people like you is, can't you do better? Not only is Bush not a Conservative, he's not even a mensch. And yet you would vote for him.

[Kelly the Dog]

The buck never ever stops with Bush. It just keeps going out the window. Have you seen the spending and the debt lately?

[John Adams]

The buck never ever stops with Bush. It just keeps going out the window. Have you seen the spending and the debt lately?

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As a side note, for this very reason, I loved the moveon commercial with the kids working. It was effective, and I hoped it would actually make people who call themselves Conservatives think, "Hey. Our guy is pretty much a fiscally irresponsible big government socialist."

[nobody]

Oh it gets better.  I heard Bush's emissary Rudy Guiliani on the radio, defending His Smirkiness.  Rudy in all his outspoken genius actually had the NERVE to say that maybe it was the military's fault because they didn't look and they didn't secure!

 

 

Blaming the troops - nice move Rudy.

[Terry Tate]

You just can't stop yourself from bringing up Kerry. Does your man have no record to stand on? Is his existence right now solely defined by his opponent.

 

You cannot believe he attacked Iraq because Saddam was bad. He sold the attack to the country in the State of the Union Address--within months of 9-11-- by whipping up WMD and even nuclear concerns. That's a fact.  He now admits there were no WMD in Iraq. That's a fact. What he won't say is that he made a mistake, and look the few hundred million of his employers who think he made a mistake in the eye and say "the buck stops here."

 

Two years, 1000+ American lives, foreign relations harmed, two hundred billion dollars, civilian deaths, no real hope of a clean exit... I think he has at least some 'splaining to do. 

 

My appeal to people like you is, can't you do better? Not only is Bush not a Conservative, he's not even a mensch. And yet you would vote for him.

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We are faced with a choice between two men, so yes, the evaluation of either may be done in a vacuum, but ultimately must be compared and contrasted with his opponent. What is your problem with bringing both of them into a discussion? I'm weighing the pros and cons of having one as president against the other. You ask "can't you do better"? No unfortunately, I don't believe I can. It's a choice between Bush and Kerry, and I don't believe Kerry would be better. I didn't help nominate Bush in 2000. Did you help nominate Kerry? Is that the best you can do? There's better qualified individuals out there - do you have a plan for getting one of them elected instead of one of these two?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

"Liberal" is derived from the word "liberalis" or free.  As in land of free and home of the brave.  Other derivates from the same root are liberty...liberate...etc.  A liberal is one "who favors greater freedom in political or religious matters; an opponent of the established systems; a reformer"

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Unfortunately, Mr. Webster never had the opportunity to meet a MODERN liberal....obsessed with big-government programs aimed at making everyone feel better, so filled with guilt that they feel the need to stifle free enterprise to support freeloaders, and so obsessed with feelings that free speech ceases to be free.

 

Liberalism is no longer about freedom deb. It's about totalitarianism.

 

If you think otherwise, you're not being intellectually honest.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

As a side note, for this very reason, I loved the moveon commercial with the kids working.  It was effective, and I hoped it would actually make people who call themselves Conservatives think, "Hey. Our guy is pretty much a fiscally irresponsible big government socialist."

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Problem:

 

The guy he's running against is an even BIGGER irresponsible big-governmen socialist.

[RuntheDamnBall]

obsessed with big-government programs aimed at making everyone feel better...

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Are you talking about "No Child Left Behind" or the prescription drug benefit? Or perhaps you mean the Department of Homeland Security ("I was against it before I was for it")? Or are you talking about funding to encourage marriage? Or increased funding for abstinence-only education?

 

Surely these are not big-government programs aimed at making everyone feel better?

[nobody]

Do I have to keep repeating over and over and over that the terms liberal and conservative have no place in current political talk?!

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Are you talking about "No Child Left Behind" or the prescription drug benefit?  Or perhaps you mean the Department of Homeland Security ("I was against it before I was for it")?  Or are you talking about funding to encourage marriage?  Or increased funding for abstinence-only education?

 

Surely these are not big-government programs aimed at making everyone feel better? 

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I've said it before and I'll say it again:

 

In my adult life, I havenever voted for a major party candidate until this year.

Why? Because in the end, they're all out to tax me to death and wsate MY money. But this year I am voting for W becasuse the alternative is much, MUCH worse. The alternative is "Weakness at home, Surrender in the world".

 

Kerry is a peacenik, an old-school 60s liberal of the worst kind. One who believes that we should undercut our power at the behest of Europe and the UN. One who believes that there's a social program to fix all kinds of problem. One who has openly espoused the idea of abortions being performed in ordinary doctor's offices. One who, though he claims he never will, WILL riase taxes on the middle class. He's George McGovern, only MORE liberal. Unacceptable in my view.

 

I'll take someone who at least cuts my taxes even if he doesn't get the spending right.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Do I have to keep repeating over and over and over that the terms liberal and conservative have no place in current political talk?!

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Why not, nobody?

 

Why not?

 

Kerry is a liberal. His RECORD supports that.

 

There's liberal, conservative and libertarian. Of the three, I am the third in mindset.

 

Kerry is ALL ABOUT big government, high taxes and a weak military.

[nobody]

I'll take someone who at least cuts my taxes even if he doesn't get the spending right.

 

All I can do is laugh.

[RuntheDamnBall]

I'll take someone who at least cuts my taxes even if he doesn't get the spending right.

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Flash back to FDR, 1941:

"This war is going to require a lot of sacrifice. That's why I'll be cutting your taxes, increasing spending at record levels and saddling your grandkids with the debt. Who's along for the ride?"

 

That would have worked. I am consistently amazed by people who are for this war and for cutting taxes. Would ye have your cake and eat it too?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

All I can do is laugh.

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Why's that, you smug bastard?

 

What is wrong for EXPECTING that I should KEEP what I EARN!?!

 

Oh, that's right...because some liberal elitist should be able to decide how best to use MY money that I EARNED to support society? Yeah, that's laughable.

[nobody]

BOTH dems and reps are about big government today. It just gets bigger and bigger. 800k new govt jobs in the last 4 years. It doesn't matter if the govt spends money through taxes or borrowing - it is still spending more and more all the time.

 

You have every right to decide if you - a non-politician - are liberal, conservative, libertarian or whatever but neither dems nor reps in govt today fall under any of those categories.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Flash back to FDR, 1941:

"This war is going to require a lot of sacrifice.  That's why I'll be cutting your taxes, increasing spending at record levels and saddling your grandkids with the debt.  Who's along for the ride?"

 

That would have worked.  I am consistently amazed by people who are for this war and for cutting taxes.  Would ye have your cake and eat it too?

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Yes, yes I would. Because the money for this war could be made up by cutting social security, wlefare, the Dept. of Ed and numerous other ineffective government programs.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

BOTH dems and reps are about big government today.  It just gets bigger and bigger.  800k new govt jobs in the last 4 years.  It doesn't matter if the govt spends money through taxes or borrowing  - it is still spending more and more all the time.

 

You have every right to decide if you - a non-politician - are liberal, conservative, libertarian or whatever but neither dems nor reps in govt today fall under any of those categories.

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That I'll grant you, they're all going to grow the gov't. It's just a matter of how fast. I think Kerry would grow it at 2-3 times the rate of Bush.