John from Riverside Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 - He would easily command a 1st round pick......from a business sense we would be trading a player that was not even drafted for a 1st round chance at a very good player....... - He is already crying about his contract.....it is almost a certainty that he is going to hold out - Honesty Kirk Chambers has made it almost transparent when Peters is not on the field but - You never trade franchise left tackles - You never trade franchise left tackles - You never trade franchise left tackles Hmmmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBaumer Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 - He would easily command a 1st round pick......from a business sense we would be trading a player that was not even drafted for a 1st round chance at a very good player....... - He is already crying about his contract.....it is almost a certainty that he is going to hold out - Honesty Kirk Chambers has made it almost transparent when Peters is not on the field but - You never trade franchise left tackles - You never trade franchise left tackles - You never trade franchise left tackles Hmmmmmm If you told me we could get a franchise DE for a franchise LT, I would say trade him. Other than that, I think it is a gamble that is too risky to take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macaroni Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 - He would easily command a 1st round pick......from a business sense we would be trading a player that was not even drafted for a 1st round chance at a very good player....... - He is already crying about his contract.....it is almost a certainty that he is going to hold out - Honesty Kirk Chambers has made it almost transparent when Peters is not on the field We'd get a 1st round pick beeeeecause (maybe he is a pretty good player????) He's crying about his contract beeeeeecause (maybe it's dumb your LT being the 3rd or 4th highest paid lineman on the team and he's really outplaying his scrub RT contract??????) Kirk Chambers made it "almost" transparent really??? No need to be on the fence about Peters ....... either he's worth it or he's not. IMHO ..... he's a top flight LT in the NFL and should be paid accordingly (and the Bills are not). If he doesn't plead his own case no one else will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Not a chance in Hell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizell Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 if someone wants to offer us something so outrageous that we couldn't refuse, then sure... otherwise, naah. pay the man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliteqb Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Unfortunately I like Peters and think he's a very good player but I vote for trade.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWings Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Interesting.... Chambers seemed to play well at LT when Peters was benched for the first game or so. When Peters finally gets in there, he's beaten routinely until he gets into game shape...then he plays up to his standards. If Peters whines about his contract again, someone oughta remind him that if he got himself into camp and into game shape for opening day, he could prove to everyone that he deserved a new contract. 2008 was a lost year for Peters. He only hurt himself with that silly "no contact" holdout. That said....no, we don't actively seek a trade for Peters. But as bizell says, if someone offers up something outrageously good in our favor, then go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JStranger76 Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 First of all, Kirk Chambers is a backup level lineman at best. Second, this draft will see 6-8 offensive tackles go in the first round, nobody is gonna give up anything even close to a worthwhile offer when they can just draft a guy. Nobody is gonna trade a franchise DE either. Give Peters, Greer, and Jackson new deals and then get more talent here through free agency and the draft. All this trade talk is getting really ridiculous........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 If Peters had one year left on his contract, this idea would have some merit. But since he has two years left the bills really do not have to do anything. Try to workout a long term extension with him, if they can not then f*ck him. Let him playout his contract. No matter what way Mickey tries to spin it, Peters really does not have any leverage here. Let him holdout again. It is just hurting him in the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 As tempting as it would be to look for a trade, I say show him the money. When he is game ready, he is one of the few OLT's that doesn't need much help, allowing help to be given on other areas on the line- this is huge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like A Mofo Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Yes. Trade Peters. There are some on this board that have taken the crusade to rid of us of Peters to Spiked Lemonade levels. Of course HE is the problem...HE is the reason for the 7-8 record Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLynchTrain Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Interesting.... Chambers seemed to play well at LT when Peters was benched for the first game or so. When Peters finally gets in there, he's beaten routinely until he gets into game shape...then he plays up to his standards. If Peters whines about his contract again, someone oughta remind him that if he got himself into camp and into game shape for opening day, he could prove to everyone that he deserved a new contract. 2008 was a lost year for Peters. He only hurt himself with that silly "no contact" holdout. That said....no, we don't actively seek a trade for Peters. But as bizell says, if someone offers up something outrageously good in our favor, then go for it. I'd like to agree with you about Peter's "lost year," but unfortunately the players and coaches did not agree with you. Him making a second pro bowl only hurts the bills at the negotiation table, and reinforces the fact to Peters that he would be coveted elsewhere, regardless of how undeserving he was this year. The thing is, Peters COULD be the best tackle in the league for the next 10 years. COULD is the word that needs to be emphasized here. He still has not been able to stay healthy for a whole season since he's moved to left tackle, and his getting beaten the last 10 games numerous times is a far cry from 2007. He still has had only one good year so far, maybe add another 5-6 games if you're being generous. And him missing the last game right after making the pro bowl sounds a little fishy to me. Is he really hurt, or is he just acting on his talk that "the reason why you play the game is to go to hawaii" (not the SB)? I don't know if you can question his work ethic, since he made it all the way from a UNFA TE to a pro bowl LT, but maybe somewhere along the way he got too full of himself and is on the glorious path to mike williams irrelevancy. Obviously, I go too far. The problem here is that by not giving him his contract last year he's going to demand even more money. Last year I remember his jackass agent asking for 11-12-15 mil a year...by far the highest paid lineman money. He'll probably ask for more. I said on this board a couple days ago that if the bills are really uncertain about Peters, and they are unwilling to mortgage their future of 11 mil a year on the guy, they should go out and get Jordan Gross. The Panthers aren't going to resign him because they have Peppers to deal with and they just spent a 1st rounder on a rising star Otah from Pitt. He's a real solid, athletic and versatile player whose started a lot of games, doesnt get injured, great attitude and just made a pro bowl (yea, I know we just established this doesnt mean much). I almost guarantee that he will go a few million less than Peters a year. I would only advise this if we can get VERY GOOD return for peters...like more than a high first rounder...hopefully 2 1sts, maybe a package of 1st and 3rd or 1st and 2nd. But I think this might be a good plan to go for IF and ONLY IF the bills are unwilling to pay peters and can get good value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marauderswr80 Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Yeah lets trade away some of our best offensive players! I dont care if Kirk Chambers looked decent yesterday, you simply dont trade Jason Peters! You find ways to make him happy. Im tired of this approach! Sign the guy! He had a so so season, but at times he really showed he is a dominate player on the field. KEPP HIM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Yes. Trade Peters. There are some on this board that have taken the crusade to rid of us of Peters to Spiked Lemonade levels. Of course HE is the problem...HE is the reason for the 7-8 record no one will offer real value as they can just wait for the holdout and get him cheaply.. just hurts everyone if this goes down in June where we get a crappy draft pick for a top 10 tackle... and if we sign him , he;s missed all the OTAs again, etc. the team promised to work with him and they haven;t .. its the teams move now... just sign him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marauderswr80 Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 You resign the guy period! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 I am for putting guys like Jackson and Parrish on the block- not Peters. Sure, Jackson is very productive, by Lynch is the definite starter- if we can get a quality lineman out of dealing hi, fine. Peters is a stud LT....you don't give that away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 - He would easily command a 1st round pick......from a business sense we would be trading a player that was not even drafted for a 1st round chance at a very good player....... - He is already crying about his contract.....it is almost a certainty that he is going to hold out - Honesty Kirk Chambers has made it almost transparent when Peters is not on the field but - You never trade franchise left tackles - You never trade franchise left tackles - You never trade franchise left tackles Hmmmmmm Sentiment for weeks on this board has been that o-line and d-line must be strong and effective if we are to ever see consistent winning again. You do not trade away the best player on your line. 1st round draft picks are roughly 50/50 gambles and even if they pan out may take a year or two to develop. No way do you trade him unless it is obscene what you get in return. Std DE and a first rounder - maybe you think about it but otherwise no way. His holdout was stupid and hurt the team but so were the Bills for thinking they could pay top flight LT for upper mid range RT price. The Bills just need to step up and pay him market rates - lock him in for another several years and then focus on other areas of need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Shopping Peters is the equivalent of the Bills saying they don't want to deal with his salary demands. It further reinforces the small market franchise that can pay some of their own, but not too many. If Buffalo receives draft picks in a trade, it'll be another step on the stairmaster to mediocrity. I don't see how it builds the team, unless those picks are used well and all of them contribute their rookie season. Additionally, it will open another position needing an immediate replacement. You don't need a dominant LOT, but it sure helps the QB feel better about his blindside. Peters didn't play outstanding football all of the time, but his presence helps this team, whether it's at 3.25M or 8M. If he's dealt, I can't see how it helps the team make the playoffs in 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lets_go_bills Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Trade him? No freaking way! The Bills need to pay up. Then he'll go away and you won't have to worry about the LT position for the next 8 years. The guy is very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cale Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 As much as I hate to suggest this - given what happened this off season and his crappy play this season. I think he is a franchise LT and should get paid. Tear up the present contract. Add incentives and workout bonuses as well as performance benchmark bonuses/pay and call it a day. Also, add contract language for conduct detrimental to team and add reverse escalator clauses for such behavior. In essence a contract within a contract. I don't know why teams don't add language for contracts being non negotiable for within 2 years of expiration. C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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