WinBeforeYouLeave Posted December 22, 2008 Posted December 22, 2008 Just a thought.... Has provocative reporting trumped good reporting? The guy is interesting to read, but is he anything more than a fire starter?
Fewell733 Posted December 22, 2008 Posted December 22, 2008 WinBeforeYouLeave said: Has provocative reporting trumped good reporting? for about as long as newspapers have existed.
WinBeforeYouLeave Posted December 22, 2008 Author Posted December 22, 2008 jauron666 said: for about as long as newspapers have existed. Ahhh, for the love of Felser.
Fewell733 Posted December 22, 2008 Posted December 22, 2008 seriously though, sports "journalism" is basically dead. It's now sports "commentary" with loudmouths throwing mud at the wall in a 24/7 news cycle. Just compare ESPN the Magazine to Sports Illustrated. ESPN the magazine is 100% flash and isn't worth the paper it's printed on. Sports Illustrated - which actually has good pieces - can't keep up because you can't pump out a quality product as quick and cheap (and still make it feel like its up to date) as you can crap. Good articles take time to write and the public want news and judgments immediately. It's like reality television vs. good sitcoms. Sitcoms are expensive and hard to get right (but done right they have value for generations in syndication and video sales because they convey humor and ideas that are lasting), reality tv is cheap and disposable but people still watch and advertisers still buy, but there is no lasting value to it.
BuffaloWings Posted December 22, 2008 Posted December 22, 2008 WinBeforeYouLeave said: Just a thought.... Has provocative reporting trumped good reporting? The guy is interesting to read, but is he anything more than a fire starter? Is there a columnist these days that is NOT a fire starter?
Lurker Posted December 22, 2008 Posted December 22, 2008 WinBeforeYouLeave said: Just a thought.... Has provocative reporting trumped good reporting? The guy is interesting to read, but is he anything more than a fire starter? Yelling 'fire' in a theater only works for a short while...then talent has to take over. Sully's batting 0.081 over the last few years.
Lori Posted December 22, 2008 Posted December 22, 2008 Nope. Still a lot of quality writing out there; you just have to know where to find it. And Sullivan = Parker? Not. Even. Close. Sully's got a long way to go to be suspended from his column.
Preston Ridlehuber Posted December 22, 2008 Posted December 22, 2008 WinBeforeYouLeave said: Just a thought.... Has provocative reporting trumped good reporting? The guy is interesting to read, but is he anything more than a fire starter? Sullivan is a pulitzer prize winner compared to Parker. Whether you agree with him or not, Sullivan never makes it personal and is a true professional.
Lurker Posted December 22, 2008 Posted December 22, 2008 Preston Ridlehuber said: Sullivan is a pulitzer prize winner compared to Parker. Whether you agree with him or not, Sullivan never makes it personal and is a true professional. 'Doddering's' not personal
CJPearl2 Posted December 22, 2008 Posted December 22, 2008 I thought Parker's comment was really funny.
Lori Posted December 22, 2008 Posted December 22, 2008 CJPearl2 said: I thought Parker's comment was really funny. Marinelli didn't ... and judging from the mea culpa Parker cranked out shortly thereafter, neither did DetNews management.
Peter Posted December 22, 2008 Posted December 22, 2008 Preston Ridlehuber said: Sullivan is a pulitzer prize winner compared to Parker. Whether you agree with him or not, Sullivan never makes it personal and is a true professional. You do realize that we are talking about the Jerry Sullivan that works for the Buffalo News, don't you?!?
R. Rich Posted December 22, 2008 Posted December 22, 2008 Lori said: Marinelli didn't ... and judging from the mea culpa Parker cranked out shortly thereafter, neither did DetNews management. I just heard his reply to Parker's half a**ed apology on Sirius as I was driving home. Good for you, Rod. The guy insulted your daughter, whether he intended to or not. All just to make some idiotic comment. Maybe he should be posting here. Lots of the same 'round these here parts.
BillsWatch Posted December 22, 2008 Posted December 22, 2008 The Tomcat said: Jerry Sullivan is not the antichrist.Scum on bottom of feet of antichrist but not so big or important to be the antichrist. More like the biting flea that can not be killed and not ignored. Peter said: You do realize that we are talking about the Jerry Sullivan that works for the Buffalo News, don't you?!? Work is debatable. Paid certainly.
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted January 7, 2009 Posted January 7, 2009 http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-l...p&type=lgns
ieatcrayonz Posted January 7, 2009 Posted January 7, 2009 The Tomcat said: Jerry Sullivan is not the antichrist. Let's hope not since he is now running the Bills.
BuffaloBill Posted January 7, 2009 Posted January 7, 2009 jauron666 said: seriously though, sports "journalism" is basically dead. It's now sports "commentary" with loudmouths throwing mud at the wall in a 24/7 news cycle. Just compare ESPN the Magazine to Sports Illustrated. ESPN the magazine is 100% flash and isn't worth the paper it's printed on. Sports Illustrated - which actually has good pieces - can't keep up because you can't pump out a quality product as quick and cheap (and still make it feel like its up to date) as you can crap. Good articles take time to write and the public want news and judgments immediately. It's like reality television vs. good sitcoms. Sitcoms are expensive and hard to get right (but done right they have value for generations in syndication and video sales because they convey humor and ideas that are lasting), reality tv is cheap and disposable but people still watch and advertisers still buy, but there is no lasting value to it. Swimsuit edition may be the one exception - SI gets more than its fair share of notariety out of this issue and I would say on a certain level it is certainly provacative. I actually wonder why women don'y protest to get their own issue of the same type - the equality notion and all. However, you make good points i am not really trying to suggest otherwise.
Captain Quint Posted January 7, 2009 Posted January 7, 2009 BuffaloBill said: Swimsuit edition may be the one exception - SI gets more than its fair share of notariety out of this issue and I would say on a certain level it is certainly provacative. I actually wonder why women don'y protest to get their own issue of the same type - the equality notion and all. However, you make good points i am not really trying to suggest otherwise. Yeah but internet porn is ruining this, too. Who wants to pay to jerk it to swimsuits when you can get the real thing for free.
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