San-O Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 Let's say Buffalo's offense is ranked 21/22 in the league, average of total yards and points scored for 2008. That's much better than being ranked 30 in the league overall in 2007. A couple things jump out to me: red-zone scoring still an issue, and given the great special teams and average drive start rankings posted in another thread, possibly given another year of experience the Turk may get better. IMHO, I still believe this team really needs additional receiving help badly, regardless of who is throwing the ball. Buffalo 2008 - so far ============= NFL Rank: 23'rd Total yards / game NFL Rank: 20'th Passing yards / game NFL Rank: 15'th Rushing yards / game NFL Rank: 20'th Points / game Given a rookie OC and a first time starting QB, that's not bad when you consider last years O numbers and rankings: Buffalo 2007 ============= NFL Rank: 30'th Total yards / game NFL Rank: 30'th Passing yards / game NFL Rank: 15'th Rushing yards / game NFL Rank: 30'th Points / game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 Are you coping my thread (Statistics: 2007 & 2008, Offense & Defense)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted December 19, 2008 Author Share Posted December 19, 2008 Are you coping my thread (Statistics: 2007 & 2008, Offense & Defense)? Sorry, no. It took me about half an hour to sift throw stuff and figure out what I wanted to say. I think thats about when you posted yours. I didn't see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 "experience should help"?!?!?! i thought if players and coaches dont get it right their first year they should be fired immediately and we should bring in someone new to start the process all over again? im not sure i buy this whole "learning" thing. "maturing", "growing"... i dont know, sounds fishy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirly5 Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 red-zone scoring still an issue Isn't this the main reason why they went out and drafted a 6'7" reciever named James Hardy? I know he sells siding but I am sure he can out jump 5'11" corners with minimal effort as well. I can see not playing him in regular game situations because he might be behind on the playbook but how hard is to tell him to run to the corner and jump in red zone situations. This coaching staff never utilized him properly. He should have dominated in the red zone but he never was given a chance. That is why this staff needs to go, they didn't utilize their talent properly (see running Jackson on goal line/short yardage instead of the guy they call Beast). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 Sorry, no. It took me about half an hour to sift throw stuff and figure out what I wanted to say. I think thats about when you posted yours. I didn't see it. Took me a while to sort through the stats from nfl.com It's okay, at least we're both thinking the same things. I feel we're very close to being a playoff team, we just need some fine tuning (including the coaches). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted December 19, 2008 Author Share Posted December 19, 2008 "experience should help"?!?!?! i thought if players and coaches dont get it right their first year they should be fired immediately and we should bring in someone new to start the process all over again? im not sure i buy this whole "learning" thing. "maturing", "growing"... i dont know, sounds fishy... Right. This applies to the O mostly, with Turk and Edwards specifically, DJ is another matter. He won't learn or hasn't, and he's been around the block a few times. IMO, you take Jauron OFF the sidelines, and this team probably has another 2 -3 wins this year. He's that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 Given the much easier schedule this year I'd say that stats are kinda meaningless. This team wasted a year because they opted to do everything on the cheap. Promoted an offensive coordinator,line coach and QB coach and didn't hire an actual GM. This could have been a huge year for the Bill,instead they declined Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted December 19, 2008 Author Share Posted December 19, 2008 Took me a while to sort through the stats from nfl.com It's okay, at least we're both thinking the same things. I feel we're very close to being a playoff team, we just need some fine tuning (including the coaches). Cool. My problem is I just can't see Jauron getting them there. He isn't going to out-coach anyone, and given the caliber of teams and coaching in the playoffs, you can't hand anyone an advantage, which Jauron seems to specialize at. When the teams get better, the coaching becomes even more of a chess match, and Jauron is playing checkers. IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 Let's say Buffalo's offense is ranked 21/22 in the league, average of total yards and points scored for 2008. That'smuch better than being ranked 30 in the league overall in 2007. A couple things jump out to me: red-zone scoring still an issue, and given the great special teams and average drive start rankings posted in another thread, possibly given another year of experience the Turk may get better. IMHO, I still believe this team really needs additional receiving help badly, regardless of who is throwing the ball. Buffalo 2008 - so far ============= NFL Rank: 23'rd Total yards / game NFL Rank: 20'th Passing yards / game NFL Rank: 15'th Rushing yards / game NFL Rank: 20'th Points / game Given a rookie OC and a first time starting QB, that's not bad when you consider last years O numbers and rankings: Buffalo 2007 ============= NFL Rank: 30'th Total yards / game NFL Rank: 30'th Passing yards / game NFL Rank: 15'th Rushing yards / game NFL Rank: 30'th Points / game Rookie OC, yes. But don't forget that the "first time starting QB" made a major contribution to last year's stats, and without the benefit of the first-team reps in training camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marauderswr80 Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 I would have hoped red zone scoring would have been better with Hardy but it wasnt....... although play calling has been bad too.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 I'm convinced that we could have a caliber team like the 85' Bears or one of the Joe Montana 49ers Superbowl teams and Jauron still would be unable to deliver a Superbowl win, let alone get to the Superbowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 I'm convinced that we could have a caliber team like the 85' Bears or one of the Joe Montana 49ers Superbowl teams and Jauron still would be unable to deliver a Superbowl win, let alone get to the Superbowl. sort of like Marv at least he made it to the big game- but he totally butchered the collection of talent he had- especially on defense where premier pass rushers were used more as decoys. Walt Corey was a complete joke. If Kelly and Marchibroda had not threatened a mutiny, the offense would have been running the single wing Marv brought with him from KC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 we just need another big time playmaker, and then our O is set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 I think a legit receiving TE would improve this offense greatly and free up our WRs allowing them to make plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dog14787 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Let's say Buffalo's offense is ranked 21/22 in the league, average of total yards and points scored for 2008. That'smuch better than being ranked 30 in the league overall in 2007. A couple things jump out to me: red-zone scoring still an issue, and given the great special teams and average drive start rankings posted in another thread, possibly given another year of experience the Turk may get better. IMHO, I still believe this team really needs additional receiving help badly, regardless of who is throwing the ball. Buffalo 2008 - so far ============= NFL Rank: 23'rd Total yards / game NFL Rank: 20'th Passing yards / game NFL Rank: 15'th Rushing yards / game NFL Rank: 20'th Points / game Given a rookie OC and a first time starting QB, that's not bad when you consider last years O numbers and rankings: Buffalo 2007 ============= NFL Rank: 30'th Total yards / game NFL Rank: 30'th Passing yards / game NFL Rank: 15'th Rushing yards / game NFL Rank: 30'th Points / game Another year with Turk and he may get better? How about another year with an experienced and proven OC and the Buffalo Bills may get better, sounds allot more logical to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 I think a legit receiving TE would improve this offense greatly and free up our WRs allowing them to make plays. This is something we have been missing for a really long time. Good teams have good TEs. They are the easy receivers to find. They are a huge help to any young QB. And we have Robert Royal (but he is a nice guy and good in the lockerroom). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Let's say Buffalo's offense is ranked 21/22 in the league, average of total yards and points scored for 2008. That'smuch better than being ranked 30 in the league overall in 2007. A couple things jump out to me: red-zone scoring still an issue, and given the great special teams and average drive start rankings posted in another thread, possibly given another year of experience the Turk may get better. IMHO, I still believe this team really needs additional receiving help badly, regardless of who is throwing the ball. Buffalo 2008 - so far ============= NFL Rank: 23'rd Total yards / game NFL Rank: 20'th Passing yards / game NFL Rank: 15'th Rushing yards / game NFL Rank: 20'th Points / game Given a rookie OC and a first time starting QB, that's not bad when you consider last years O numbers and rankings: Buffalo 2007 ============= NFL Rank: 30'th Total yards / game NFL Rank: 30'th Passing yards / game NFL Rank: 15'th Rushing yards / game NFL Rank: 30'th Points / game Is it? The offense last year faced defenses that rank an average of 13.7 overall. This year the defenses faced rank an average of 20.8 overall. The Bills will have faced every defense ranked 25th and lower save Detroit and have actually struggled against some of them; 7 of the 8 worst bottom feeders. Not one of the defenses are in the top 10. This schedule is a cream-puff dream, the easiest schedule Jauron may ever see, and the Bills may not even equal last year's 7-9 record. The "improvement" is an illusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Is it? The offense last year faced defenses that rank an average of 13.7 overall. This year the defenses faced rank an average of 20.8 overall. The Bills will have faced every defense ranked 25th and lower save Detroit and have actually struggled against some of them; 7 of the 8 worst bottom feeders. Not one of the defenses are in the top 10. This schedule is a cream-puff dream, the easiest schedule Jauron may ever see, and the Bills may not even equal last year's 7-9 record. The "improvement" is an illusion. Explain 187 rushing yards against the #4 rush defense with a borderline NFL Qb at the helm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Explain 187 rushing yards against the #4 rush defense with a borderline NFL Qb at the helm. Read it and weep. Jets are ranked 19th in total defense per NFL.com. http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tab...mp;d-447263-n=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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