Corp000085 Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 I may only be playing the devil's advocate here, but after a few days of thinking, but I truly believe the Bills simply cannot fire DJ and be successful next year. Now, the coordinators, that's another story. I believe that DJ has sucked this year as a head coach, but it would far far worse for the franchise to start over than it would be to have a sucky head coach. Ralph needs to invest in some strong coordinators and hire a GM to run the football operations. They do not need a micromanager type in Donahoe, but they do need someone to run a wise draft and to check ralph wilson when he wants to draft some random running back. Jauron CAN be successful, and to some extent, he was earlier this year. Why did the wheels fall off? Was it DJ simply being a bad head coach? Was it DJ allowing too much power to his coordinators? Was it DJ taking orders from ralph himself? Nobody really knows. All that matters is that it gets fixed in the off season. Remember, back in september, this was arguably the best team in the league. You can't start over from scratch next year. A major overhaul, yes, but canning DJ is not the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
generaLee83 Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 I may only be playing the devil's advocate here, but after a few days of thinking, but I truly believe the Bills simply cannot fire DJ and be successful next year. Now, the coordinators, that's another story. I believe that DJ has sucked this year as a head coach, but it would far far worse for the franchise to start over than it would be to have a sucky head coach. Ralph needs to invest in some strong coordinators and hire a GM to run the football operations. They do not need a micromanager type in Donahoe, but they do need someone to run a wise draft and to check ralph wilson when he wants to draft some random running back. Jauron CAN be successful, and to some extent, he was earlier this year. Why did the wheels fall off? Was it DJ simply being a bad head coach? Was it DJ allowing too much power to his coordinators? Was it DJ taking orders from ralph himself? Nobody really knows. All that matters is that it gets fixed in the off season. Remember, back in september, this was arguably the best team in the league. You can't start over from scratch next year. A major overhaul, yes, but canning DJ is not the answer. We could all be wrong but there is some damning history with Dick Jauron. One winning season in 9 years with most victories coming against sub-.500 teams. 3 consecutive non-winning seasons here in Buffalo. Now he has what I would consider a monumental collapse on his resume. From 5-1 to most likely 6-10? Lost 9 of 10 to finish the season? It's hard to speculate, maybe he can turn it around if given one more season or maybe he's going to do what he's always done. Coach well against terrible teams and get owned by better teams. I for one feel that if Bobby April was promoted there would be a good chance of winning season next year, I do not think that he would clean house and start over. Given his ability and skill to work with what he's given I think he would be more of a winner than Dick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 I dont think they would be good with firing Jauron next season. I would take it though if there was a general change in the organization's direction and we got a football guy at the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canbuffan34 Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 I may only be playing the devil's advocate here, but after a few days of thinking, but I truly believe the Bills simply cannot fire DJ and be successful next year. Now, the coordinators, that's another story. I believe that DJ has sucked this year as a head coach, but it would far far worse for the franchise to start over than it would be to have a sucky head coach. Ralph needs to invest in some strong coordinators and hire a GM to run the football operations. They do not need a micromanager type in Donahoe, but they do need someone to run a wise draft and to check ralph wilson when he wants to draft some random running back. Jauron CAN be successful, and to some extent, he was earlier this year. Why did the wheels fall off? Was it DJ simply being a bad head coach? Was it DJ allowing too much power to his coordinators? Was it DJ taking orders from ralph himself? Nobody really knows. All that matters is that it gets fixed in the off season. Remember, back in september, this was arguably the best team in the league. You can't start over from scratch next year. A major overhaul, yes, but canning DJ is not the answer. While I understand your point of view, I do not share it. Dick should already have been fired for that debacle in NY last week, PERIOD!!! IMO that was the single worse call in Buffalo Bills recent history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynical Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 I may only be playing the devil's advocate here, but after a few days of thinking, but I truly believe the Bills simply cannot fire DJ and be successful next year. Why not? Is not 8 years proof enough? How many more years do you need? 2? 3? 5? Now, the coordinators, that's another story. I believe that DJ has sucked this year as a head coach, but it would far far worse for the franchise to start over than it would be to have a sucky head coach. Let's stay with the incompetent head coach, but we can "fix" him by making him hire good coordinators. I got a better idea. If the Bills are going to fire the coordinators, why not take it one more step and fire the incompetent head coach? Ralph needs to invest in some strong coordinators and hire a GM to run the football operations. They do not need a micromanager type in Donahoe, but they do need someone to run a wise draft and to check ralph wilson when he wants to draft some random running back. Jauron CAN be successful, and to some extent, he was earlier this year. Why did the wheels fall off? Was it DJ simply being a bad head coach? One winning season in 8 says yes. The inability to win against the better teams in the league during his entire head coaching career says yes. Was it DJ allowing too much power to his coordinators? Was it DJ taking orders from ralph himself? Nobody really knows. All that matters is that it gets fixed in the off season. Remember, back in september, this was arguably the best team in the league. You can't start over from scratch next year. A major overhaul, yes, but canning DJ is not the answer. That's like arguing we had the best team during the preseason. Or on paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 Let's stay with the incompetent head coach, but we can "fix" him by making him hire good coordinators. This is really what it comes down to. The problem is the head coach. If your colonels keep f'ing up and your soldiers keep getting routed, when do you hold the General responsible? Either Jauron directly f'd up the Cleveland, SF and Jets games, OR, he allowed his subordinates to do it week after week without taking control of the situation. Either he's clueless, negligent, or both. Jauron is a proven loser. I think there is a far greater chance of success by letting a new coach who knows how to run and control a team take over and help the coordinators improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rastabillz Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 Jauron is a dead man walking. His record speaks for itself-if the Bills want to sniff the palyoffs again we need a new head coach. Look around the league, first year coaches in Atlanta and Baltimore are doing fine. And take a look over in Pittsburgh where a second year coach with a horrid offensive line has taken his team to the top of the AFC standings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canbuffan34 Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 Jauron is a dead man walking. His record speaks for itself-if the Bills want to sniff the palyoffs again we need a new head coach. Look around the league, first year coaches in Atlanta and Baltimore are doing fine. And take a look over in Pittsburgh where a second year coach with a horrid offensive line has taken his team to the top of the AFC standings. Although one could argue that Mike Tomlin took over a slightly better team than the Dick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 Remember, back in september, this was arguably the best team in the league. You have got to be kidding me. SEATTLE SEAHAWKS 3-11 Jacksonville Jaguars 5-9 OAKLAND RAIDERS 3-11 St. Louis Rams 2-12 SAN DIEGO CHARGERS 6-8 This team was not even close to being a middle of the road team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rastabillz Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 Although one could argue that Mike Tomlin took over a slightly better team than the Dick! I won't argue that, but when you look at how bad ther o-line is and their brutal schedule this year: New England, Dallas, Baltimore, and Tenny in the past 4 weeks and a overall record of 11-3. I doubt Dick Jauron could acheive those results if he was coaching the Steelers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cody Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 Keep DJ, bring in Norv Turner and Marvin Lewis. Who cares if they would make more money than DJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 I may only be playing the devil's advocate here, but after a few days of thinking, but I truly believe the Bills simply cannot fire DJ and be successful next year. Now, the coordinators, that's another story. I believe that DJ has sucked this year as a head coach, but it would far far worse for the franchise to start over than it would be to have a sucky head coach. Ralph needs to invest in some strong coordinators and hire a GM to run the football operations. They do not need a micromanager type in Donahoe, but they do need someone to run a wise draft and to check ralph wilson when he wants to draft some random running back. Jauron CAN be successful, and to some extent, he was earlier this year. Why did the wheels fall off? Was it DJ simply being a bad head coach? Was it DJ allowing too much power to his coordinators? Was it DJ taking orders from ralph himself? Nobody really knows. All that matters is that it gets fixed in the off season. Remember, back in september, this was arguably the best team in the league. You can't start over from scratch next year. A major overhaul, yes, but canning DJ is not the answer. Why prolong the agony? He'll simply be fired at the end of '09 if he coaches another year. He has his hand picked offensive coordinator this year, some fresh talent and fewer injuries than last year. Many of the younger players have another year of experience compared to last year. He's had another off-season to instill his program on these players. With some luck he'll be able to equal his 7-9 mark last year. More likely he drops to 6-10. Given all of this, how can anyone conclude that his program is making progress? Frankly, his tenure in Buffalo is close to a disaster. Why waste another year developing the young players in his program? I don't see a shred of evidence that he is succeeding or that he can succeed. Frankly, I'd be shocked if he returned as the head coach. I'd only support Dick for 1 more year if it meant getting Cowher out of retirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 A good coach can coach up a bad team into a winner. An average or below-average coach needs good players to be a winner. I think DJ is an average coach. He'll win with great players. But with what we have here (average talent), a guy like Cowher would probably have this team at 11-5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poeticlaw Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 Jauron CAN be successful, and to some extent, he was earlier this year. What really gives you the idea he can be succesful and how are you measuring that success. A 5-1 start? 5-0 agins teams with a .300 % winning ratio and 1 lost agianst a playoff team. Then we advance to now and hes 1-7 with 1 win coming against a losing team and 2 of the 7 losses agaisnt losing teams and 5-7 against playoff teams or teams in the playoff race. The most important thing here is that we are 0-5 in the division well on our way to being 0-6 How does that strike you as beeing succesful and our whole division is 9-5 all have winning records do you not see the pattern here. DICK CANNOT BEAT WINNING TEAMS PERIOD HE IS A LIABILITY TO THIS TEAM AS LONG AS HE IS THE HEAD COACH!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 I may only be playing the devil's advocate here, but after a few days of thinking, but I truly believe the Bills simply cannot fire DJ and be successful next year. Now, the coordinators, that's another story. I believe that DJ has sucked this year as a head coach, but it would far far worse for the franchise to start over than it would be to have a sucky head coach. Ralph needs to invest in some strong coordinators and hire a GM to run the football operations. They do not need a micromanager type in Donahoe, but they do need someone to run a wise draft and to check ralph wilson when he wants to draft some random running back. Jauron CAN be successful, and to some extent, he was earlier this year. Why did the wheels fall off? Was it DJ simply being a bad head coach? Was it DJ allowing too much power to his coordinators? Was it DJ taking orders from ralph himself? Nobody really knows. All that matters is that it gets fixed in the off season. Remember, back in september, this was arguably the best team in the league. You can't start over from scratch next year. A major overhaul, yes, but canning DJ is not the answer. Third year, 0-6 in the division 2 wins against winning teams in three years as Bills head coach His gameday decisions have become to have a direct effect on the difference between winning and losing 7 of 8 losing seasons as a head coach Losing to two flat out bad teams at home against Cleveland and San Francisco Easy schedule = 6-10 season Dick Jauron is an idiot. I consider him one of the worst NFL head coaches of all time. Why some of you are having heart palpitations regarding Dick's possible departure is beyond all reason. It is truly amazing to me how being a nice guy can still keep some fans like yourself on his side while he's skippering of one of the worst disaster seasons in team history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 Dick "Kotite" Jauron hired the coaching staff. Dick Kotite has had a large involvement in shaping the systems the team runs and the players brought in to implement those systems. Yet you think the answer is to keep the continuity with Dick Kotite so that he can fix things this off-season? Why didn't he fix thee things in one of the last 3 off-seasons and especially this last off-season when he was talking about leading the Bills to the playoffs? Rod Marinelli is a great guy and an excellent football coach. Think the Lions are going to keep him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picnic Table F'er Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 I say KEEP Dick Jauron Careful, he's still got 2 games to make you regret that statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 Miami. Atlanta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 I am not majorly in favor of anything that will just affect next year- gotta think long term. Now, if you are looking at keeping him long term and being successful by giving him a dominant offensive and defensive line, then I am fine with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 You have got to be kidding me. SEATTLE SEAHAWKS 3-11 Jacksonville Jaguars 5-9 OAKLAND RAIDERS 3-11 St. Louis Rams 2-12 SAN DIEGO CHARGERS 6-8 This team was not even close to being a middle of the road team. Yup. And now that Miami is tearing through that portion of the schedule they are suddenly the darlings of the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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