Our "ProBowl" tackle said all that needs to be said.

[BUFFALOTONE]

Deserve what? A guy who cares more about himself than the team.I don't want the guy gone and I still think is one of the top tackles in the league but he in NO way had anything close to a pro bowl season. He gave up many more drive killing, game changing sacks than just in the Jets game. And while we ran the ball fantastic in the NY game. There were many times he didn't help open a hole for mini me to get through.

 

And until I hear him say that going to the Pro Bowl is nice but it's doesn't erase the pain of not going to the playoffs. Then it just confirms that todays players bottom line is ME not TEAM. It can still be a business and care about winning over your personal trip to Hawaii.

Are you kidding? Go watch Rudy or some other rah rah movie. The guy is 1 of the best LT's in the game. If he didnt say making the pro bowl was great and its something you play for you would still be biiitching. What do you really expect the guy to say? Do you really think he is not disappointed with the teams record? Instead of being happy that one of our players made it to the pro bowl which is voted by his peers we want to tear the guy down because he doesnt bend over for the fans.

[TheLynchTrain]

So basically, you'd rather pay someone else's guy $13M a year so you don't have to pay the home grown equivalent talent the going rate. I guess that saves money somehow.

 

Well I don't think Gross is going to get 13 mil on the open market. He got franchised last year for 7.85 mil. I can't see the guy getting any more than 9 mil a year. Peters, on the other hand, is going to demand 11 to 13 to 15 mil.

 

While Peters probably has more potential, Jordan Gross is a phenomenal athlete. And he has a good attitude, a team oriented attitude.

 

So yes, I would get rid of our homegrown athlete, but for a guy that is just as good but will probably demand less money and actually be happy to be there.

 

And I stated that I would only trade Peters if we can beat out the other teams (highly unlikely) and get great trade value from peters (not a better time than now). Otherwise keep him.

 

Sis, I don't know how you couldn't argue we wouldnt be saving money if we stole a guy of the open market and traded our own guy for value. Did you not think this through?

[BUFFALOTONE]

Well I don't think Gross is going to get 13 mil on the open market. He got franchised last year for 7.85 mil. I can't see the guy getting any more than 9 mil a year. Peters, on the other hand, is going to demand 11 to 13 to 15 mil.

 

While Peters probably has more potential, Jordan Gross is a phenomenal athlete. And he has a good attitude, a team oriented attitude.

 

So yes, I would get rid of our homegrown athlete, but for a guy that is just as good but will probably demand less money and actually be happy to be there.

 

And I stated that I would only trade Peters if we can beat out the other teams (highly unlikely) and get great trade value from peters (not a better time than now). Otherwise keep him.

 

Sis, I don't know how you couldn't argue we wouldnt be saving money if we stole a guy of the open market and traded our own guy for value. Did you not think this through?

 

 

Not sure the status of Peppers contract but do they have enough to pay all of these guys?

[The Senator]

Our "ProBowl" tackle said all that needs to be said.

Not quite - there's still one thing that needs to be said...

 

Phuck Jason Peters!

[dave mcbride]

Well said. Peters was great in the Jets game. But everyone sees the Elam whif. Try blocking a DB coming full speed when he has a running start, not going to happen. As for the whif I am surprised he got a hand on him. The guy is one of the best LT's in the game. He stays healthy for the most part. Like MDH said if we let him go forget about having any type of passing game. You dont just plug in LT's. And drafting one will take a few years to learn the system and scheme.

 

Center and guard are the major problems. Fix that and we are on our way to a successful offense.

You are absolutely correct. He's a great player, and like many before him, he is underappreciated by Bills fans.

[34-78-83]

You are absolutely correct. He's a great player, and like many before him, he is underappreciated by some Bills fans.

 

That's better

[dave mcbride]

That's better

 

Thanks!

[BUFFALOTONE]

Not quite - there's still one thing that needs to be said...

 

Phuck Jason Peters!

 

Right , bring back Fina or Jennings. Yeah great times.

[BUFFALOTONE]

You are absolutely correct. He's a great player, and like many before him, he is underappreciated by Bills fans.

I understand why fans are upset I was to when he didnt report to camp but they guy is a great player and the least of our worries. He is a 2 time pro bowl LT. That OL gave Trent and JP plenty of time to throw, You can see where this team is still very young and will contend year after year. Buy it will take time. If it makes you feel better to bash Peters than so be it.

[jkx2]

Are you kidding? Go watch Rudy or some other rah rah movie. The guy is 1 of the best LT's in the game. If he didnt say making the pro bowl was great and its something you play for you would still be biiitching. What do you really expect the guy to say? Do you really think he is not disappointed with the teams record? Instead of being happy that one of our players made it to the pro bowl which is voted by his peers we want to tear the guy down because he does'nt bend over for the fans.

For one thing I did say he is a top player, but maybe you should open up your eyes and see that this guy IN NO WAY had a pro bowl season, he was voted in on rep. alone. Why accept his poor play this season after he held out giving him a free pass. It just perpetuates this type of mind set. Winning in Pro Football is everything. It takes that kind of commitment to win a Super Bowl, which should be the only real goal.

 

Also he can be as happy as hell and piss'in in is pants with glea for all I care, but his quote was " this is what you play for" IT'S NOT WHAT YOU PLAY FOR! So if all he cares about is getting voted into the pro bowl on reputation knowing full well he didn't have a great season, then he really doesn't care enough about winning a Super Bowl.

 

I don't need fake Rah Rah movies to know that there are players out there that can't stand the pain of losing and players that want money and fame and losing doesn't eat them up. His statement is a tell tale sign on where he stands. I don't cheer and pay money to watch Peters make the pro Bowl. Fans don't give a rats ass about the pro bowl nobody even watches it. We want wins.

 

I've been going to and cheering for this team way before you were a sperm, so don't give me the I'm a Rah Rah guy crap. These guys should care more winning then the fans do, but guys like Peters don't. Everybody who plays this game isn't going to play the game like Chris Spielman, but everyone of them should feel as he did when he said "I'm here for one thing and one thing only, to try and win this team a Super Bowl" when he came to the Bills. Not suck umbrella drinks on the beach at the Pro Bowl

[John from Riverside]

You know what I am thinking? This might be the PERFECT time to trade him.

 

His stock is at a all time high.....his attitude is at a all time low.....someobody will give up picks and Kirk Chambers has played pretty well.

[MDH]

You know what I am thinking? This might be the PERFECT time to trade him.

 

His stock is at a all time high.....his attitude is at a all time low.....someobody will give up picks and Kirk Chambers has played pretty well.

 

And the tread mill would continue. Let our good players go and replace them in the draft. That sounds vaguely familiar...

[BuffaloBill]

"This is what you play the game for — to get to Hawaii"....Jason Peters

 

NO! you play the game to get to the Super Bowl. But most players really don't care about that, it's all about ME, not the TEAM.

 

So sad, but at least you heard it straight from the players mouth. He doesn't even seem to care that the Bills aren't going to the playoffs again. His butt will be on the beach in Hawaii thinking about his next holdout.

 

 

Perhaps you take the comment out of context as an individual player there is no higher accolade - as a team its the Lombardi.

[Bill from NYC]

Take offense if you want but he's right. The overwhelming majority of fans do not watch the OL play and do only notice OL play when they make mistakes.

 

I'm begining to think that Bills fans get what they deserve. When they have top flight players - like Jason Peters - they do their best to run them out of town. Then they turn around and B word that the Bills don't have any top flight players on the roster. Peters was not at his best all season but the guy was dominant for about 8 games this year. Sure he could have been more consistent and his holdout hindered him but fans need to get over the holdout - it's buisness, pure and simple.

 

Fantastic post! A large portion of posters here would rather keep JP Losman than Jason Peters.

Seriously, I cannot even begin to understand this.

[Dan]

This quote kinda pissed me off as well. (I made a thread, till I saw this - deleeeted it). For me, at least, it's not so much a matter of his talent or his pay. I think most reasonable people will acknowledge he's talented. Hence, I'd want him on the team. However, his attitude concerns me the most.

 

All too often, you hear of players getting that big contract and then becoming very average. Does Peters fall into this category? I don't know. But, he seems more and more to be motivated by personal gain as opposed to team success. So, does he make the ProBowl a few times, get a mega contract; and then decide he's good to go and just take it easy? Or does he continue to strive to be the best in the game?

 

Given our cap situation and what we've payed other, less talented players, I could care less what they pay the guy. I do want to see him on the team. But, I also worry considerably that he may become very average or slack at times - giving up crucial sacks. Basically, more of the same 2008 play.

[Bill from NYC]

The kid is a football player. He is not Elie Weisel. Why take a dumb comment so seriously?

[Ramius]

Peters is not above criticism, but you can't really tell from the comment how he felt about the season in general. He's exxcited about getting to the pro-bowl, and for him, perhaps thats the pinnacle of individual play for him. He personally is shooting for the pro bowl each season, but that doesn't mean that he doesnt want the team to succeed. All he can do is go out there and perform to his top abilities, and he can't very well conrol the abilities/playing of the other 52 players on the roster.

 

As for the trade talk, that would be the height of stupidity. You don't trade away a top tier LT who is only fuggin 27 years old. you pay him. plain and simple.

[Dan]

The kid is a football player. He is not Elie Weisel. Why take a dumb comment so seriously?

Peters is not above criticism, but you can't really tell from the comment how he felt about the season in general. He's exxcited about getting to the pro-bowl, and for him, perhaps thats the pinnacle of individual play for him. He personally is shooting for the pro bowl each season, but that doesn't mean that he doesnt want the team to succeed. All he can do is go out there and perform to his top abilities, and he can't very well conrol the abilities/playing of the other 52 players on the roster.

 

As for the trade talk, that would be the height of stupidity. You don't trade away a top tier LT who is only fuggin 27 years old. you pay him. plain and simple.

 

I agree. But, you quite frequently see a player respond to a similar question with a.. I'd trade it all for a playoff game. Or something to that effect.

 

Fundamentally, I agree. It's one comment amidst a full conversation that he probably had with the reporter. But, it's not a good comment. Heck, we had a RB crucified just for saying there wasn't anything to do in Buffalo. I'd suggest Peters is a little more concerning comment.

 

Agreed to, no way you trade him. Pay him and move on to the next guy.

[BUFFALOTONE]

For one thing I did say he is a top player, but maybe you should open up your eyes and see that this guy IN NO WAY had a pro bowl season, he was voted in on rep. alone. Why accept his poor play this season after he held out giving him a free pass. It just perpetuates this type of mind set. Winning in Pro Football is everything. It takes that kind of commitment to win a Super Bowl, which should be the only real goal.

 

Also he can be as happy as hell and piss'in in is pants with glea for all I care, but his quote was " this is what you play for" IT'S NOT WHAT YOU PLAY FOR! So if all he cares about is getting voted into the pro bowl on reputation knowing full well he didn't have a great season, then he really doesn't care enough about winning a Super Bowl.

 

I don't need fake Rah Rah movies to know that there are players out there that can't stand the pain of losing and players that want money and fame and losing doesn't eat them up. His statement is a tell tale sign on where he stands. I don't cheer and pay money to watch Peters make the pro Bowl. Fans don't give a rats ass about the pro bowl nobody even watches it. We want wins.

 

I've been going to and cheering for this team way before you were a sperm, so don't give me the I'm a Rah Rah guy crap. These guys should care more winning then the fans do, but guys like Peters don't. Everybody who plays this game isn't going to play the game like Chris Spielman, but everyone of them should feel as he did when he said "I'm here for one thing and one thing only, to try and win this team a Super Bowl" when he came to the Bills. Not suck umbrella drinks on the beach at the Pro Bowl

 

Look Pal its not my fault you are an old codge who cant identify talent when he sees it. Maybe back in your day when Sammy Baugh was slinging it (may he rest in peace) OL were a different breed. But Peters is one of if not the best player on the Bills roster. He cant throw it he cant run it he cant tackle and he cant catch. All he is supposed to do is block the man in front of him and he did a great job of that this year. He may have started off a little slow and given up a sack or two but by no means is he not deserving of the pro bowl. And it is half popularity contest and half deserved.

 

I agree football is all about winning but you are lumping this guy in as someone who doesn't give a sh-t about his team and record. They may be how that comment came off but you dont know what he is like behind closed doors as much as I do.

 

And lets be honest, how bad did the 90-93 teams "Want to win" all the stars were up till the morning of the game partying their asses off. And dont tell me they didnt have the talent. They got to the game 4 strait years and pissed away. You could write a book on it.

 

And by the way I was born in 1980 so I was there for the ups and downs, I will talk to Christopher Lloyd to see if he can get the Delorian up and running so I can share in some of your pain.

[Mickey]

When did he get to be so cocky? Even last year, I just remembered hearing a humbled and quite southern kid. Then after his horrid start, he said "i'm playing ok." Then the guy started screaming at fans after that one terrible home loss. Now, he's pretty much saying F the fans. And the fact that you play to get to Hawaii? Man, that is a statement right there.

 

The only thing that I've heard or seen this guy do that I stood up and clapped all year is when he called out the Toronto game. I thought that was cool, especially since he was the only one out of 53 that actually showed any emotion, unlike Stroud's "everybody's happy playing indoors," or Kawika's "if they make money i make money." But at the same time, you knew he probably had a personal reason to be saying that stuff, another chance to take a shot at an organization that "slighted" him.

 

You know that him and his agent are going to demand a top contract this year. He's gonna claim that he was promised, and a Pro Bowl vote is "all that matters" in his mind, regardless of how the organization or fans "only point out his bad plays."

 

This is the supposed OT FA 2009 class. http://profootball.scout.com/2/816325.html

 

I think if Peters doesn't hold out and has a full offseason of training, he probably can be the most dominating tackle in the league. But i think this relationship is past repair. I think the Bills should take any money they spend on Peters and give it to Jordon Gross. Since the players and coaches supposedly know his value, we should grab as many draft picks as we can for Peters. I think we might be able to get more than 2 first rounders for the guy. Gross is going to get heated interest all over the league, especially from hometown Carolina. But remember: Peters wanted 11 mil a year last year, and with another pro bowl and rising salaries, it will only go up every year.

 

I know its tough losing yet another player that we've created, regardless if you think its peters, the organizations, or a combination of the two's fault. But getting Gross or a top rated OT and some high draft picks would go a long way to fixing this problem.

"Pretty much saying F the fans" ???? Where do you get that from? You guys are reading just a bit too much into a short interview and some off the cuff comments. What do you want him to say? "Yeah the fans who hate me and have been calling me a moron for the last 10 months are right, I really don't deserve this, I am a jack ass, shucks, I am so very, very sorry I made the pro bowl, I will go home now and hang myself in the basement."

 

What confuses me is all those who say he sux and is worthless, also think we can get boatloads of first round picks for him. How does that work?