Thurman#1 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 I have a strong feeling he is going to drop to 8-12, and depending on how bad we play. WE may be able to get him. if he is there, i don't care what anyone says aobut needs, we grab him And i know pass rush is by far the weakest part of the defense, our defense is still good/average. Our offense is terrible. Having a nice tall, fast tight end such as brandon pettigrew would help the offense and specifically trent edwards who would love to pass to tight ends all day. We are a C and good G for depth away from having a good offensive line, and our defense is still some positions away from being a great defense. But in my opinion, Fine is not going to be the answer, don't kid yourself. He may turn out to be a good tightend, but we want a playmaker. Fine is not playmaker. If we pick a center, tightend, linebaker, or defensive end in the first round, I will be very happy. I just prefer a tightend at this point. This draft has 2 great pass-catching tight ends. has some great centers, specifically mack. Has some great OLBs in curry and cushing. And has some very good DEs. This draft has the positions we need for once. So lets not screw this up. I don't think anyone has ever made this observation before, but ... DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS. And good to average defenses DON'T. If we ever make the playoffs, we will start to see GREAT QBs. Because Brady was injured this year, we did not see ONE great QB against us this year, except Kurt Warner. Anybody remember the score of that game? If we had seen Brady also, it would have reminded us what it is like to see a really good QB pick us apart like a cat with a dying bird. Good QBs with lots of time don't lose games. In the playoffs next year, we will see Peyton Manning, Big Ben, probably Brady and some improving young guys. And they will annihilate us unless we can rush them. Again, outside of Warner, we didn't see one single excellent QB against us this year. That's why many of us are calling our defense decent and not screaming for a pass rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Free agency is loaded with LB'ers and DE's that can rush the passer, and not so much with tight ends and centers. The best bet is to fill the pass rush need in free agency, because you're going to have to draft your TE if you want one. For that reason, I think grabbing Jermaine Gresham in the 1st round is the best option, assuming we can target a pass rusher in free agency. Center is not a big enough need at this point to waste a 1st round pick on. There are some excellent centers that will be available in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. What pass rushers that we can REALISTICALLY get are available in free agency. I don't mean 4-sacks-a-year guys. I mean, say 8 sacks and up, serious threats. And Peppers is going nowhere, he will be re-signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Assuming/hoping we draft top 10, the thought of drafting a pass rushing DE scares me. I know we need one terribly, but we cannot afford other bust. Gholston hardly saw the field this year, and I think we need more of an immediate impact type of player. Busts come at every position. Not just pass rushers. And Gholston may be a sensational player yet. It's extremely rare that a pass rusher plays well in his first year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWings Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Free agency is loaded with LB'ers and DE's that can rush the passer, and not so much with tight ends and centers. The best bet is to fill the pass rush need in free agency, because you're going to have to draft your TE if you want one. For that reason, I think grabbing Jermaine Gresham in the 1st round is the best option, assuming we can target a pass rusher in free agency. Center is not a big enough need at this point to waste a 1st round pick on. There are some excellent centers that will be available in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Gresham is only a junior - I don't know if he's planning on entering the draft yet, but he'd be a target if he does. I think Sage hit the nail on the head - pass rush is the weakest part of the team, so it's as simple as going for a pass-rushing DE in the first round. Considering that first round picks are usually made on play-makers and are the "sexy" picks, it's really best to go for someone like that in the first round. What I don't know is whether or not we'll do this because of the money that Kelsay is getting. That said, we'll have to wait until the FA period begins and see what's available. Unless a major philosophy change happens with this front office, I wouldn't bet too much on a stud DE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 I suspect it will be a linebacker or Defensive lineman, either end or tackle. I know our offense is hurting, but I think that will be addressed in free agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 DB depth? If there's one thing we don't need it's DB depth. If Jauron is still at he helm, expect DBs to be taken early and often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 you forgot to mention PASS RUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!...we really need passrushers....really....then center...then OLB That's fine , but I think I would look at the pass rush also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 I suspect it will be a linebacker or Defensive lineman, either end or tackle. I know our offense is hurting, but I think that will be addressed in free agency. Ditto. Best available at any of those 3 positions. My one concession would be if a monster O-lineman dropped in our laps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 I'm in agreement with C/TE in R1. The Bills have desperately needed both for a decade or more, and while they might be able to find a quality C in FA (and they'd probably be better off), they won't find a good TE this year. As with another poster, Jermaine Gresham would be my first round target as it stands right now. If he does not declare for the draft, its likely that I'd look to LB, DT or possibly DE. In any event, these bottom five finishes the last several years offensively are not good enough and are the reason this team does not win. As big of a need as DE is, its a position that scares the hell out of me in R1. Its almost as difficult to find a good DE as it is to find a good QB. The last two seasons, 9 college DEs have gone in R1. They currently have posted a grand total of 19 sacks in the 2008 NFL season; Chris Long and Gaines Adams have half of those. Last year's board favorite, Derrick Harvey, has 12 tackles and 1.5 sacks (and those sacks came against the Lions). The point is, if the Bills draft a DE, they'd better know what they're doing, as its an unusually difficult position to draft effectively. I don't mind them picking one, but if they have any questions about the guy at all, they should walk away and turn their focus elsewhere. We don't need another Chris Kelsay or Ryan Denney making $4M per year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marauderswr80 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 If Jauron is still at he helm, expect DBs to be taken early and often. Id puke....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckeyeBill Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Use Schobel and/or Kelsay as a trade (move up in the first to take an elite DE). Use Peters/Fowler/or Preston as a trade (move up and take an elite OL). Was I too soon go give up on Peters, maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Use Schobel and/or Kelsay as a trade (move up in the first to take an elite DE).Use Peters/Fowler/or Preston as a trade (move up and take an elite OL). Was I too soon go give up on Peters, maybe. Sweet. We can use preston and fowler in the draft to trade up from round 7 pick #12 to round 7 pick #8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Sweet. We can use preston and fowler in the draft to trade up from round 7 pick #12 to round 7 pick #8. Aren't Preston and Fowler UFAs? We couldn't even do as you described. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Aren't Preston and Fowler UFAs? We couldn't even do as you described. If they aren't, perhaps we could give some team a 6th or 7th rounder to take them off our hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fewell733 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 well if we do go TE or OC in the 1st round, which I doubt - there are really only 4 candidates at this point Jermaine Gresham - Oklahoma - TE - great receiver and good blocker - 6'6, 260 Brandon Pettigrew - Oklahoma State - TE - great blocker and very good receiver - 6'6, 260 Max Unger - Oregon - versatile, smar, can play all interior positions - 6'5, 300 Alex Mack - Cal - very smart with good size - 6'4, 315 but we've got to go pass rusher. one of these guys might still be there in the 2nd round. A potentially elite pass rusher won't be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 If they aren't, perhaps we could give some team a 6th or 7th rounder to take them off our hands. Exactly my thought. You'd have to bundle them with someone that can play the game just to get rid of them by trade. Far easier just to cut them or let them walk as UFAs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 This is my feeling If there is a pass rusher in the draft that could make an immediate impact I dont know HOW you could possibly pass that up. We have NO pass rush and it isn't that great when Schrobel IS in the game.... Pass Rush has an effect at other positions on the field......Corner? Safety? Linebacker? turnovers? I think we have to go DE unless all the good ones are taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nervous Guy Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Sweet. We can use preston and fowler in the draft to trade up from round 7 pick #12 to round 7 pick #8. You shouldn't hate on those guys...they never got proper coaching in Buffalo, you watch, they'll go to another team and be really really good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 You shouldn't hate on those guys...they never got proper coaching in Buffalo, you watch, they'll go to another team and be really really good. You're right. I should be blaming them and them alone for being the reason the Bills have been losing the last 2 games and aren't going to the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIE HARD 1967 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Hummm, what do you really know about Derek Fine? Perhaps we saw enough in 6 games huh? I am so disappointed , Mel Kiper called him the steal of the draft too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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