MrB1onde Posted December 16, 2008 Posted December 16, 2008 Top 5? Brady, Manning, Brees, Romo, Warner, E Manning, Roethlisberger, hell Matt Ryan is well on his way to being better than McNabb is now. McNabb is top 15 AT BEST, and in decline. McNabb's rating this year is 17th in the NFL. Trent's is 18th. Maybe, a big maybe, a conditional second rounder. But no more. The guy is injury prone, old, and chokes in the clutch. You are right that he has been pretty good for awhile, but that won't do the Bills any good. McNabb hasn't lasted 16 games since 2003. It's just not worth mortgaging the future.
Chalkie Gerzowski Posted December 16, 2008 Posted December 16, 2008 Yeah, good point...I just dont see how they wouldnt want a #1 in return...maybe our first and third... I'm sure Philadelphia would want plenty in return...McNabb has been their biggest star attraction since the days of Randall Cunningham and Reggie White. Do I think it is a venture worth considering? Yes...but only if the JaurTard and his underling Dork Schonert are tossed to the curb.
Alphadawg7 Posted December 16, 2008 Author Posted December 16, 2008 Aikman proved himself and his ability to throw in the playoffs. Don't get me wrong, Aikman had a lot of help. But he also had to deal with all those distractions of the 90's Cowboys. My point was, stats dont tell the whole story...
RLflutie7 Posted December 16, 2008 Posted December 16, 2008 My point was, stats dont tell the whole story... Yes, I think we've had this discussion before and you are right. Let's put it this way, I think I like the older McNabb a lot better than the younger McNabb.
Alphadawg7 Posted December 16, 2008 Author Posted December 16, 2008 Top 5? Brady, Manning, Brees, Romo, Warner, E Manning, Roethlisberger, hell Matt Ryan is well on his way to being better than McNabb is now. McNabb is top 15 AT BEST, and in decline. McNabb's rating this year is 17th in the NFL. Trent's is 18th. Maybe, a big maybe, a conditional second rounder. But no more. The guy is injury prone, old, and chokes in the clutch. You are right that he has been pretty good for awhile, but that won't do the Bills any good. McNabb hasn't lasted 16 games since 2003. It's just not worth mortgaging the future. What has Brees carried his team too? He puts up stats but doenst get it done when it counts...so throw him out... Warner was great for 3 years and then this year...McNabb has been great his whole career. Plus he has had 2 HOF WR's in St Louis and 2 future HOF WR's in AZ...thats a TON of talent to help him be great! Eli is FAR from great...he has been inconsistent this year, was on the verge of losing his job last year. He has been terrible the last couple of weeks in NY too. Yes he won a Super Bowl, but it took a MIRACLE catch to get it done... Big Ben has not been great by any means...dont get me wrong, hes a good quarterback, but he has to do a lot less on that team and has not been great by any means...solid better describes him. I would love to have him on our team, but McNabb has still been better. Come on man, Matt Ryan...give me a break...sure he looks quite promising, but you cant compare him to a proven star yet. Brady, Payton, Farve are the only ones I say sit in front of him, but look at all the weapons those QB's have had. I like Warner a lot too, when he was good he was amazing and he has been a stud this year. So I wouldnt argue much against him other than the smaller body of work and the immense talent he had with two hall of fame WR's on his team in St L and 2 future HOF WR's in AZ... MCNABB HAS HAD NO TALENT AT WR>>>>>>NONE People also dont realize that his two horrible games he had this year, he was dealing with the near death of his wife during child birth...thats a big distraction to weigh on your heart while you are out playing a silly game...
Alphadawg7 Posted December 16, 2008 Author Posted December 16, 2008 Yes, I think we've had this discussion before and you are right. Let's put it this way, I think I like the older McNabb a lot better than the younger McNabb. hahahaha...lol, I think we did, didnt we. I would agree, I like the older McNabb too...hes smarter, looks to pass first, but will hurt you if he needs to run. And with our O-Line, I am all about a QB who get manuever back there and isnt afraid of the rush... I also agree, with the other posters we dont want to mortgage our future...but giving them Trent and a #1 isnt really mortgaging our future if we dont believe Trent to be our future...then we are just giving up a #1 and a backup QB at best...If they still see Trent as a QB of the future, then throw in a mid round pick to go with it. There wouldnt be another player we could pick up this off season that will make as big an impact as McNabb...The problem is now becoming with McNabb playing lights out again, who knows if Philly will still be open to change...
RLflutie7 Posted December 16, 2008 Posted December 16, 2008 Top 5? Brady, Manning, Brees, Romo, Warner, E Manning, Roethlisberger, hell Matt Ryan is well on his way to being better than McNabb is now. McNabb is top 15 AT BEST, and in decline. McNabb's rating this year is 17th in the NFL. Trent's is 18th. Maybe, a big maybe, a conditional second rounder. But no more. The guy is injury prone, old, and chokes in the clutch. You are right that he has been pretty good for awhile, but that won't do the Bills any good. McNabb hasn't lasted 16 games since 2003. It's just not worth mortgaging the future. I think you hit the nail on the head. McNabb has been a winner but he hasn't demonstrated consistent accuracy throughout his career and he has 3100 rushing yards in his career which meant he was like Vince Young when he was younger. I don't think he's ever been in the top passing yards year after year. I'd have to look that up and I will after the game. But rushing for 3100 yards doesn't help passing stats.
NavarreFL_Bills_Fan Posted December 16, 2008 Posted December 16, 2008 They also gave Losman the C'mon man play....
Dr. Fong Posted December 16, 2008 Posted December 16, 2008 I would love to see McNabb on the Bills if he were to be available as a free agent and wouldn't cost more than 5-7 million per. Who knows if that's possible, but that's the scenario I'd be interested in.
NavarreFL_Bills_Fan Posted December 16, 2008 Posted December 16, 2008 Any QB on this Bills team will be average at best...our offensive system is too basic and other than Evans and Lynch the skill players are pedestrian.
Alphadawg7 Posted December 16, 2008 Author Posted December 16, 2008 I would love to see McNabb on the Bills if he were to be available as a free agent and wouldn't cost more than 5-7 million per. Who knows if that's possible, but that's the scenario I'd be interested in. McNabb just picked apart the very D that beat us like it was practice...him in Buffalo equals AFC East Crown
WellDressed Posted December 16, 2008 Posted December 16, 2008 Aikman never threw for more than 22 TD's in a season...is he a top QB? BUT, he was very sexy back in the day!!
Alphadawg7 Posted December 16, 2008 Author Posted December 16, 2008 I think you hit the nail on the head. McNabb has been a winner but he hasn't demonstrated consistent accuracy throughout his career and he has 3100 rushing yards in his career which meant he was like Vince Young when he was younger. I don't think he's ever been in the top passing yards year after year. I'd have to look that up and I will after the game. But rushing for 3100 yards doesn't help passing stats. And why are you people hung up over the semantics of the top 5 statement...say he was top 7 or top 8 over the last ten years...think of how many QB's have played during that time in this league...that makes him ELITE over his career Even if you said he was the tenth best QB over the last 10 years...there are 32 teams in the league, most of which have had multiple QB's and you are going to complain about a guy who was one of the 10 best during that span WHILE THROWING TO NO TALENT!!!!!!! I cant say that enough...NO TALENT AT WR...even pregame Chris Carter was mocking Thrash, Pinkston, Fred Ex, etc that this poor guy has had to work with...
lacoy38 Posted December 16, 2008 Posted December 16, 2008 In the pregame they are talking about McNabb and how with McNabb your team has a chance to go to be good and go to the Super Bowl...how in his entire career he has only had a #1 target in just 23 games...how he is still an elite QB and top 5 in the league... So Keyshawn chimes in and says, if you dont want em Philly, Buffalo will take him... I say, HELLZ YEAH we will take him...gawd I hope we go after McNabb if he is available...give them Trent and our #1 no way i'd give up a #1 or trent. trent's only 25 and has a lot of upside, mark my words next year's back up to trent will be . . . . jon kittna
MrB1onde Posted December 16, 2008 Posted December 16, 2008 And why are you people hung up over the semantics of the top 5 statement. Hey, what do you mean, "you people?" Don't get too hung up on the idea of McNabb having "No talent at WR." Last I checked, McNabb has played with the best receiving RB in the league for the better part of his career. Few people would argue that he has had much more Tight End talent on his teams than have the Bills as well. I would not be surprised if the Eagles threw to running back more than any other team in the NFL. Given that those passes tend to be higher percentage, I would say that McNabb's completion percentage is artificially inflated (and it's still pretty low). If you are going to say we can't judge a QB based on a relatively small body of work (such as Warner), how can you possibly say we should already give up on Trent?
Alphadawg7 Posted December 16, 2008 Author Posted December 16, 2008 Hey, what do you mean, "you people?" Don't get too hung up on the idea of McNabb having "No talent at WR." Last I checked, McNabb has played with the best receiving RB in the league for the better part of his career. Few people would argue that he has had much more Tight End talent on his teams than have the Bills as well. I would not be surprised if the Eagles threw to running back more than any other team in the NFL. Given that those passes tend to be higher percentage, I would say that McNabb's completion percentage is artificially inflated (and it's still pretty low). If you are going to say we can't judge a QB based on a relatively small body of work (such as Warner), how can you possibly say we should already give up on Trent? When I referenced "small body of work" it was in reference to best of the last 10 years when you brought up Warner... Second, Trent is NO McNabb...dont even go there... Third, Westbrook has been a reciever threat for him since only 2004 and didnt become Elite until his breakout year in 2006. So, that hardly covers McNabbs career...look some stats up before you shoot off at the hip... Not to mention, you just justified McNabb because he HAS to throw to a RB, which should tell you how little he has to work with at WR...No one in their right mind who has any football knowledge at all would EVER claim McNabb has had talent to throw to in the course of his career. In fact, the first thing they point out is how he only had T.O. for a season and a half, and besides that NO BODY!
truth on hold Posted December 16, 2008 Posted December 16, 2008 No way. This team does not need a middle-aged McNabb at QB. Injury and age have taken its toll on this guy and his skills are in the middle of a marked decline. He wass thoroughly outplayed by Jeff Garcia 2 years ago and the Eagles would have been wise to have parted ways with him then.
Alphadawg7 Posted December 16, 2008 Author Posted December 16, 2008 No way. This team does not need a middle-aged McNabb at QB. Injury and age have taken its toll on this guy and his skills are in the middle of a marked decline. He wass thoroughly outplayed by Jeff Garcia 2 years ago and the Eagles would have been wise to have parted ways with him then. Funny, he is picking apart cleveland like it was a scrimmage...you know the team that ended our season
Chalkie Gerzowski Posted December 16, 2008 Posted December 16, 2008 Gorgeous interception there Mr. McNabb. I keed I keed
Alphadawg7 Posted December 16, 2008 Author Posted December 16, 2008 LMAO at Andy Reid...you have McNabb, Westbrook, and even Buckhalter against the fourth worst rushing D in the league and you have a 5'10" rookie throw the ball down the middle of the end zone... Maybe Turk called in the play to him on the previous timeout...
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