The Dean Posted December 14, 2008 Posted December 14, 2008 I don't have any faith in JP Losman. You're right, I'm wrong. To be clear, I don't think that would have been a good call with Edwards in the game, either. But it is a far worse one, with JP.
AJ1 Posted December 14, 2008 Posted December 14, 2008 WHAT? Why not just run again, and get another 5 yards? The Jet's defensive line was DONE, and the Bills were blowing them off the line. Why try something like that? It makes NO sense, IMO. Not just your opinion; There was no reason for that call, WHATSOEVER!!! You have be a complete dick to call it and whoever did call it shows they have a moron class understanding of what plays to call in the context of the game. That only narrows it down to two.
billnutinphoenix Posted December 14, 2008 Posted December 14, 2008 Not just your opinion; There was no reason for that call, WHATSOEVER!!! You have be a complete dick to call it and whoever did call it shows they have a moron class understanding what plays to call in the context of the game. That only narrows it down to two. Dick did call it!
thewildrabbit Posted December 14, 2008 Posted December 14, 2008 Sorry to be a dick but all of you who think it was an ok play call are f'n retards. How in the world do you make that call when Marshawn has been a beast all day. Yeah in a goal line situation or 3rd and short earlier in the game I could see it. No excuse for that when there is ~2min left, you're in the driver's seat and its deep in your territory. Mind-boggling f'ing stupid. To the retards that agree it was a good play call WORST PLAY CALL EVER!!! IF the Bills had run the next two plays and NOT made the first down and punted I doubt the Jets could have won that game.Thanks for the better draft pick coaches.
Guest dog14787 Posted December 14, 2008 Posted December 14, 2008 You might be right if: The defense was doing ANYTHING to stop the run. They weren't. JP was good at hanging onto the ball when he gets hit. For the past two games, he hasn't been. A play with a big "upside" was necessary. It wasn't. It was SECOND down and five. There is no reason to think they wouldn't get the first on the ground, the way they were playing. One of the reasons you pound the ball inside, is to reap the reward in the 4th Quarter. The Bills did that, and they had softened up the D. 4-5 yards a run, was a given. Why put in all the work, and then decide not to collect on the rewards of that work? We usually agree, Doc, but not today. Smash-mouth was the order of the day, and the Bills decided to go "cute", with a shaky QB, in a situation where there was really no upside. I was all for just waiting until the off season before anybody got canned, but after that brilliant call I'm not so sure. Why try to get cute, it was one of the worst coaching blunders I have ever seen.
The Dean Posted December 14, 2008 Posted December 14, 2008 To the retards that agree it was a good play call WORST PLAY CALL EVER!!! IF the Bills had run the next two plays and NOT made the first down and punted I doubt the Jets could have won that game.Thanks for the better draft pick coaches. Jeff Fisher made a pretty bad call at the end of the Titans-Detroit game. But, as they have already wrapped up a playoff spot, it doesn't have a big impact.
Sisyphean Bills Posted December 14, 2008 Posted December 14, 2008 This is not defending Losman. He should've thrown that ball into the stands. But did anything go right on that play? Did anybody execute that cluster well? The head coach overrules the OC and dials up his own play. Blocks were blown. Nobody got open. Losman blew it. Nobody tackled the defender. The ball took an immaculate hop back into his arms. It was like a Hollywood script of fuggeduptitude. Classic Buffalo Bills "football".
KD in CA Posted December 14, 2008 Posted December 14, 2008 To be clear, I don't think that would have been a good call with Edwards in the game, either. But it is a far worse one, with JP. It's a bad call with Payton Manning at QB. But with a guy who has been inaccurate ALL DAY throwing short passes it is borderline insane. Really, if Dick Jauron was arrested in an NFL betting scandal and accused of throwing games, would anyone here be surprised?
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted December 14, 2008 Posted December 14, 2008 Running backs are unstopable so what do you call? A play action pass. Sure Losman coughed up the ball but he should never have been put into that postion. Great call. Is Raplh laughing now? Because I am not..... The only thing wrong with that play call was that it reflected confidence in Losman. The staff has to know they have a guy back there who's a sack and TO machine, and call plays in light of that reality.
RJ (not THAT RJ) Posted December 14, 2008 Posted December 14, 2008 This is not defending Losman. He should've thrown that ball into the stands. But did anything go right on that play? Did anybody execute that cluster well? The head coach overrules the OC and dials up his own play. Blocks were blown. Nobody got open. Losman blew it. Nobody tackled the defender. The ball took an immaculate hop back into his arms. It was like a Hollywood script of fuggeduptitude. Classic Buffalo Bills "football". That is well put. I am puzzled that people want to say that it is either a bad call or a bad play by JP. It's a breath mint, it's a candy mint... it's a bit of both....
thewildrabbit Posted December 14, 2008 Posted December 14, 2008 After thinking about that call for a few min, It comes to mind that Jauron already has his extension and what would winning this game mean to the team overall? They won't make the playoffs so why win? Why not go for the better draft pick slot? Here is to the 2009 draft
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 14, 2008 Posted December 14, 2008 Maybe one of those teams will take LP from our hands. It is the coaching when you call a play he cannot make 90% of the time. No. Dick washed his hands of JPL and probably for all the world to see against a playoff caliber team... No self-respecting team can blame Dick Jauron if they pick up JPL... Dick showed any prespective owner what they are getting. Maybe DJ is too honest... He should have just won the game, buried the ball into the line and let the D finish it (if that was really up there on the "trying to get it done list." )... I actually commend the coaching staff... JPL is a lemon and showed it. They were honest with themselves and others inthe league... Now JPL has to man-up and be honest with himself. I know I wouldn't foist off a car or house without disclosing a major defect. The luxury that DJ had was that the Bills were OUT of the playoff hunt so I really can't be 100% sure of DJ'c character... Now if he pulled this during the playoff hunt, it might be tempting for DJ to have his character slip and do what ever it too to win, mask JPL's problem, or whatever. Just admit it JPL, you were given a golden chance to lead and you followed like a sheep. Maybe that is what NFL's want. IMO, I wouldn't want it... But that is me. /rant... My 2 cents.
Sisyphean Bills Posted December 14, 2008 Posted December 14, 2008 No. Dick washed his hands of JPL and probably for all the world to see against a playoff caliber team... No self-respecting team can blame Dick Jauron if they pick up JPL... Dick showed any prespective owner what they are getting. Maybe DJ is too honest... He should have just won the game, buried the ball into the line and let the D finish it (if that was really up there on the "trying to get it done list." )... I actually commend the coaching staff... JPL is a lemon and showed it. They were honest with themselves and others inthe league... Now JPL has to man-up and be honest with himself. I know I wouldn't foist off a car or house without disclosing a major defect. The luxury that DJ had was that the Bills were OUT of the playoff hunt so I really can't be 100% sure of DJ'c character... Now if he pulled this during the playoff hunt, it might be tempting for DJ to have his character slip and do what ever it too to win, mask JPL's problem, or whatever. Just admit it JPL, you were given a golden chance to lead and you followed like a sheep. Maybe that is what NFL's want. IMO, I wouldn't want it... But that is me. /rant... My 2 cents. Are you saying that Dick threw his other 52 players and staff under the bus so that he could guarantee ruin on Losman's career?
AJ1 Posted December 14, 2008 Posted December 14, 2008 That is well put. I am puzzled that people want to say that it is either a bad call or a bad play by JP. It's a breath mint, it's a candy mint... it's a bit of both.... Under the circumstances it was an insanely bad call. If you don't see that, you just flunked Football 101. It's really scary to have a HC that flunks the same test.
The Dean Posted December 14, 2008 Posted December 14, 2008 Are you saying that Dick threw his other 52 players under the bus so that he could ruin Losman's career? Seems like that is what he's saying, which has to be total nonsense. Does anyone really think DJ was thinking of JP's future, on that call? Seriously?
Sisyphean Bills Posted December 14, 2008 Posted December 14, 2008 Seems like that is what he's saying, which has to be total nonsense. Does anyone really think DJ was thinking of JP's future, on that call? Seriously? That's what I thought too.
bflobarry Posted December 14, 2008 Posted December 14, 2008 Wrong. Even a passing play would take enough time to take it to the two-minute warning, just as much as a running play would. So there is absolutely no time penalty for trying a roll out in that situation. All you are depending on your QB to do is maintain ball possession. JP had done that in sterling fashion on the previous drive, where he complete four passes in a row to get the Bills down to where Marshawn and Jackson could run it in. I think the call was all right, in the situation. It's an aggressive call, with a high upside, and not much chance of a downside unless your QB screws up. Which he did. I can't blame the Bills coaches to playing to win the game. I agree: There was no time benefit as a run or pass were going to get the clock to 2 mins. A roll out is a really safe play there, unless you have a brain dead moron at QB, which we do. And did you notice that, EVEN AFTER JP CAN FEEL the defenders hands on him, he puts both hands on the ball, AND STILL ALLOWS THE BALL TO GET AWAY!! I've TIVO'ed it several times: Even after the guy has him, he STILL has a chance to protect the ball, but just doesn't. This guy is maddeningly horrible as a QB. He lost the game today. Period.
The Big Cat Posted December 14, 2008 Posted December 14, 2008 So let me get this straight- it was a bad play call because the coach should have KNOWN that JP would get sacked, fumble, let a fumble go the other way for the game winning touchdown? In the context of the game, it was a fine play call. But to say that the coach's should have been certain of the extent to which Losman screwed that pooch is an intolerable displacement of blame! Which one is it folks? Make the play calls within your QB's complete lack of capability? Or call to win the game? Some people can't be satisfied, I swear!
AJ1 Posted December 14, 2008 Posted December 14, 2008 So let me get this straight- it was a bad play call because the coach should have KNOWN that JP would get sacked, fumble, let a fumble go the other way for the game winning touchdown? In the context of the game, it was a fine play call. But to say that the coach's should have been certain of the extent to which Losman screwed that pooch is an intolerable displacement of blame! Which one is it folks? Make the play calls within your QB's complete lack of capability? Or call to win the game? Some people can't be satisfied, I swear! It was a bad play because there was no need to pass when the Jets could not stop the run. That too complex for you?
Dan Posted December 14, 2008 Posted December 14, 2008 So let me get this straight- it was a bad play call because the coach should have KNOWN that JP would get sacked, fumble, let a fumble go the other way for the game winning touchdown? In the context of the game, it was a fine play call. But to say that the coach's should have been certain of the extent to which Losman screwed that pooch is an intolerable displacement of blame! Which one is it folks? Make the play calls within your QB's complete lack of capability? Or call to win the game? Some people can't be satisfied, I swear! Lynch is averaging 4+ yards per carry. It's 2nd and 5. There's 2 minutes left in the game. We're deep on our side of the field with a narrow lead. The play call is a no brainer. Run the ball 2 more times. Best case we get the first down; worst case we punt with under 1:20 on the clock. This is football 101, especially considering how well Lynch was running the ball.
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