YellowLinesandArmadillos Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 In the field i am in, you actually need to accomplish decent work to get rewarded at the end of it all. I dont want half the slackasses here earning the same things i do for not doing sh--, and i don't want to see the ability to tell them to leave removed from the bosses. I hear that, and it should be an option both from a hammer and stick approach, but there should still be a base and protection from capricious actions... maybe the union go a bit overboard, but the good ones deal with such employees well, some unions like ceos and execs are not so responsive, both are suppose to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Hell if management would give back their bonuses for the last three years and halve their pay, they could make up the short term difference and prevent bankruptcy, but I don't see that happening. Really? Can you please provide the supporting details for this statement? Or is this just more nonsense you are pulling out of your ass? Mgmt compensation is a drop in bucket compare to the cost of the unions. Nope, just having fun watching your inability to put 2 and 2 together to figure out what i do. Sorry, pBills isn't allow to do 2+2, he needs to call in the union accountant. Of course, that'll be time and a half since the union rules say it's tax season from August to June. I don't care. Next job be a little bit more proud of. How proud can you be when you need someone to extort your employer for your paycheck? My salary went up 20% in the last 2 years and I never asked for thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Really? Can you please provide the supporting details for this statement? Or is this just more nonsense you are putting out of your ass? Mgmt compensation is a drop in bucket compare to the cost of the unions. Sorry, pBills isn't allow to do 2+2, he needs to call in the union accountant. Of course, that'll be time and a half since the union rules say it's tax season from August to June. And here is KD mister personality. Don't need a union to know that you are an a-hole. Said with respect of course. Oh and congrats on the salary. Just to bad not every one is as lucky as you. Can you tell me about the extortion again? Those union dues are SOOO pricey. HAHAHAHAHA!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 And here is KD mister personality. Don't need a union to know that you are an a-hole. Said with respect of course. Not to mention Mister 'asks questions that pBills can't answer in his defense of unions' Oh and congrats on the salary. Just to bad not every one is as lucky as you. Can you tell me about the extortion again? Those union dues are SOOO pricey. HAHAHAHAHA!!! Sorry, I should have known that you would need this to understand the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowLinesandArmadillos Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 No it would not make up the entire 15 Billion, but in these guys have been getting around this much for the last three years despite their companies losing money. Here is some info on Big Three exec compensation and this is just the top guys: http://www.thekarmareport.com/auto-crisis/...-of-bankruptcy/ http://money.cnn.com/2008/12/02/news/compa...tm?eref=time_us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Not to mention Mister 'asks questions that pBills can't answer in his defense of unions' Sorry, I should have known that you would need this to understand the post. You mean mister I can't accept that pBills answered your questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 No it would not make up the entire 15 Billion, but in these guys have been getting around this much for the last three years despite their companies losing money. Here is some info on Big Three exec compensation and this is just the top guys: http://www.thekarmareport.com/auto-crisis/...-of-bankruptcy/ http://money.cnn.com/2008/12/02/news/compa...tm?eref=time_us What they made is crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 GM needs to being back this car. It rocked!! Chick magnet!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 You mean mister I can't accept that pBills answered your questions. Really? Please post your link to this answer: Why do UAW workers deserve to earn $5 more per hour than non-UAW workers? What skills or qualifications do they have to justify the premium for their services? Sorry, but your bobbing and weaving isn't the same as answering the question. Obviously the true answer is that you are greedy and selfish and don't want the union gravy train to end but you just can't admit that here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elegantelliotoffen Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Its very simple. From AP "GM says its total hourly labor costs are now $69 including wages, pensions and health care for active workers, plus the pension and health care costs of more than 432,000 retirees and spouses. Toyota says its total costs are around $48. The Japanese automaker has far fewer retirees and its pension and health care benefits are not as rich as those paid to UAW workers." If the UAW wants the same overpaying for unskilled labor, let them have it. Go breasts up and get a job in the real world where you are paid what your worth. Unskilled starting at about $8.00 per hour. I suppose that these retirees are all immortals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Really? Please post your link to this answer: Why do UAW workers deserve to earn $5 more per hour than non-UAW workers? What skills or qualifications do they have to justify the premium for their services? Sorry, but your bobbing and weaving isn't the same as answering the question. Obviously the true answer is that you are greedy and selfish and don't want the union gravy train to end but you just can't admit that here. And I have answered that question today.... TWICE. You and another person. Go back and read. And do not judge me when you know jack-sh-- about me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 No it would not make up the entire 15 Billion, but in these guys have been getting around this much for the last three years despite their companies losing money. That's right, it wouldn't. And it wouldn't make up half the difference either, as you stated. In fact, it might not even make up 1%. I have gone on record here as saying that the Big 3 execs are drastically overpaid, but cutting $20MM out of a handful of guys isn't going to pay the outrageous union fees for more than a day or two. That doesn't mean they shouldn't do it, but it means that the exec comp argument is a nothing more than a red herring for the union stooges to hide behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elegantelliotoffen Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Really? Please post your link to this answer: Why do UAW workers deserve to earn $5 more per hour than non-UAW workers? What skills or qualifications do they have to justify the premium for their services? Sorry, but your bobbing and weaving isn't the same as answering the question. Obviously the true answer is that you are greedy and selfish and don't want the union gravy train to end but you just can't admit that here. I thought that you were against class warfare? I'm not registered with either major party myself, though I place much more weight on the issues that I disagree with the Dems on (taxes, class warfare, lack of personal accountability) than on those I disagree with the GOP on (mostly social issues per my other post). Of course, the Democrats are just as bad and they promote class warfare and race baiting along the way. I would like someone to shake the tree too...but in an intelligent manner. Rehashing the same old socialist, class warfare bullsh-- is hardly 'shaking the tree'. They've been trying to do just that in CT for years. Just another angle on the class warfare bullsh--. Looks like someone can't keep his talking points straight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 And I have answered that question today.... TWICE. You and another person. Go back and read. And do not judge me when you know jack-sh-- about me. Pathetic. Really. And this coming from someone who advised another about feeling "proud"? That's ok, I already answered it for you since you are too gutless to do it. Greedy and selfish. The oldest motivations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Pathetic. Really. And this coming from someone who advised another about feeling "proud"? That's ok, I already answered it for you since you are too gutless to do it. Greedy and selfish. The oldest motivations. You always bust my ass telling me to do some research whatever, go look at my answers and come back when you are ready. And I am proud of what I do. If Ramius wants to play games... oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 You always bust my ass telling me to do some research whatever, go look at my answers and come back when you are ready. And I am proud of what I do. If Ramius wants to play games... oh well. Yet another excuse for not typing out a simple sentence or two. Your "answers" were nothing of the kind. Saying "I don't have a problem with UAW making more than other autoworkers" does not answer the question. Do you really not understand what the words "why", "deserve" and "justify" mean? It's ok, I know you don't have any real answer. Why do UAW workers deserve to earn $5 more per hour than non-UAW workers? What skills or qualifications do they have to justify the premium for their services? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elegantelliotoffen Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Yet another excuse for not typing out a simple sentence or two. Your "answers" were nothing of the kind. Saying "I don't have a problem with UAW making more than other autoworkers" does not answer the question. Do you really not understand what the words "why", "deserve" and "justify" mean? It's ok, I know you don't have any real answer. Why do UAW workers deserve to earn $5 more per hour than non-UAW workers? What skills or qualifications do they have to justify the premium for their services? But you don't condone class warfare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Yet another excuse for not typing out a simple sentence or two. Your "answers" were nothing of the kind. Saying "I don't have a problem with UAW making more than other autoworkers" does not answer the question. Do you really not understand what the words "why", "deserve" and "justify" mean? It's ok, I know you don't have any real answer. Why do UAW workers deserve to earn $5 more per hour than non-UAW workers? What skills or qualifications do they have to justify the premium for their services? Oh dear Fing god. I had said earlier that since these autoworkers have already or will be losing a lot with cuts in the health care and cuts in their pensions and on top of that not receiving bonuses like the foreign autoworkers receive... I believe that it is fair for them to receive the few extra bucks per hour. Let's face it they have come to the table via the UAW and have given up a lot in order to save the companies. Now did you get that? Do you need me to email you a copy? Maybe post on some sort of Anti-Union, Class Warfare site for you? Now answer this... Is it worth the $15 billion to attempt to save millions of jobs? Or should the government let the companies die and hope that these people won't remain jobless for to long. Along with the other 1 million + unemployed workers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 But you don't condone class warfare. How is asking why people at the same skill level are compensated differently, tantamount to promoting class warfare? Anxiously awaiting the supporting link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastaJoe Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Yet another excuse for not typing out a simple sentence or two. Your "answers" were nothing of the kind. Saying "I don't have a problem with UAW making more than other autoworkers" does not answer the question. Do you really not understand what the words "why", "deserve" and "justify" mean? It's ok, I know you don't have any real answer. Why do UAW workers deserve to earn $5 more per hour than non-UAW workers? What skills or qualifications do they have to justify the premium for their services? Perhaps they have more experience, or the cost of living in the north and larger cities is more than the rural south. The unions negotiated for those wages, if the companies didn't think they could be profitable with those wage levels then they shouldn't have agreed to them. Don't sign contracts and then complain about how they're unfair. One could ask what skills do the non-UAW workers lack that would justify paying them $5 less than union workers? Or are they just being taken advantage of in economically depressed areas that are desperate for jobs even if they underpay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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