John Adams Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 "A political candidate who jumps to conclusions without knowing the facts is not the person you want as the commander in chief." IF the above is true, and I think it's pretty self-evident, how do you feel about gut-check George running the military. He admits to following his gut, consulting with Christ, and who knows what else, in making his decisions. This is a test. The quote was from Bush attacking Kerry over Kerry's criticsims regarding the missing explosives, which I agree is not much of a story until we know more about it. Maybe someone carried the 1 and messed up the calcuation of how many tons were impounded. 400 tons of explosives are a tough thing to steal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 "A political candidate who jumps to conclusions without knowing the facts is not the person you want as the commander in chief." IF the above is true, and I think it's pretty self-evident, how do you feel about gut-check George running the military. He admits to following his gut, consulting with Christ, and who knows what else, in making his decisions. This is a test. The quote was from Bush attacking Kerry over Kerry's criticsims regarding the missing explosives, which I agree is not much of a story until we know more about it. Maybe someone carried the 1 and messed up the calcuation of how many tons were impounded. 400 tons of explosives are a tough thing to steal. 88355[/snapback] It wouldn't matter if someone carried the one or not. 400 TONS is an amazing amount of explosives. Think about it. Your average military troop transport is a FIVE ton. That means they would need EIGHTY of them to move a cache that large. Anybody think we might notice EIGHTY large heavy vehicles traveling on ROADS that are PATROLLED and MONITORED 24/7? Nah, not possible. That belays the fact that vehicles like that aren't exactly available in Iraq in any kind of numbers, nor are the forklifts/tow motors required to load them. John Kerry is a sensationalist piece of stevestojan and the people who vote for him are absolute idiots. Off the cliff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin in Va Beach Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 Is that kinda like "I voted for it before I voted against it"? Did I pass the test? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 Is that kinda like "I voted for it before I voted against it"? Did I pass the test? 88390[/snapback] Or: "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 | Source "One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 | Source "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." - President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | Source "We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction." - Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 | Source "He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 | Source "[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton. - (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998 | Source "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 | Source "Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." - Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 | Source "We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them." - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 | Source "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 | Source "The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a Rosen course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 | Source "There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source "We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 | Source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNRed Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 Or:"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 | Source "One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 | Source "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." - President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | Source "We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction." - Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 | Source "He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 | Source "[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton. - (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998 | Source "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 | Source "Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." - Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 | Source "We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them." - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 | Source "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 | Source "The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a Rosen course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 | Source "There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source "We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 | Source 88397[/snapback] Every single one of those quotes is taken out of context. Also, BUSH LIED, PEOPLE DIED!!!! /morons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomerjamhead Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime. Quick - name the legislation containing this excerpt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Coli Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 John Kerry is a sensationalist piece of stevestojan and the people who vote for him are absolute idiots. 88377[/snapback] Game on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomerjamhead Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 Since you claim out of context, here's the text of the 1998 law put forth by Clinton and voted for by Kerry: Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 - Declares that it should be the policy of the United States to seek to remove the Saddam Hussein regime from power in Iraq and to replace it with a democratic government. http://www.iraqwatch.org/government/US/Legislation/ILA.htm Reply? Please? O, those pesky, pesky facts... 88425[/snapback] Good post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 Good post. 88448[/snapback] I deleted it, though. I replied to Silver'nRed, who posted a sarcasm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomerjamhead Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 I deleted it, though. I replied to Silver'nRed, who posted a sarcasm... 88459[/snapback] It's happened to me a time or two.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted October 27, 2004 Author Share Posted October 27, 2004 It wouldn't matter if someone carried the one or not. 400 TONS is an amazing amount of explosives. Think about it. Your average military troop transport is a FIVE ton. That means they would need EIGHTY of them to move a cache that large. Anybody think we might notice EIGHTY large heavy vehicles traveling on ROADS that are PATROLLED and MONITORED 24/7? Nah, not possible. That belays the fact that vehicles like that aren't exactly available in Iraq in any kind of numbers, nor are the forklifts/tow motors required to load them. John Kerry is a sensationalist piece of stevestojan and the people who vote for him are absolute idiots. Off the cliff. 88377[/snapback] Exactly. That's why Kerry is an idiot on this. The implication that it was stolen is idiotic. The possibility that some number cruncher lost a sheet of manifests for the explosives or didn't enter it into the database, or didn't calibrate the explosive scale for a day and all the weghts were off-- all of these are far more likely than that they were stolen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 Exactly. That's why Kerry is an idiot on this. The implication that it was stolen is idiotic. The possibility that some number cruncher lost a sheet of manifests for the explosives or didn't enter it into the database, or didn't calibrate the explosive scale for a day and all the weghts were off-- all of these are far more likely than that they were stolen. 88505[/snapback] Like many munitions, I suspect this depot was relocated beforehand. Given the electronic survelliance before and especially after the start of hostilities, a mass movement involving large truck transport or long-term small truck transport would have been flagged as an anomoly and addressed. The US Military is not stupid. And along this line, I think that the wmd stuff, useable and the bits and pieces (unless the entire world's intelligence services were wrong about the whole thing), ended up in Syria bit by bit in the run-up, about 50 miles SSE of Allepo. I think Sharon wants the settlements cleared out of northern Gaza for that, and an ensuing strike. Isreal has recently contracted with US companies for several hundred "deep penetrator" free-fall bombs. Delivery of such to Iranian nuclear facilities pose some special problems (not unsurmountable) , but not usage against certain Syrian enclaves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD Jarhead Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 The US Military is not stupid. Thanks for the compliment...after listening to Kerry tell us how incompetent we are for the last 6 months I was starting to have some self esteem issues But seriously...when one listens to all the rhetoric Johnny Longface spews, you'd think the US military was a bunch of bumbling idoits. We're not, are we? (There goes that issues thingy again) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 28, 2004 Share Posted October 28, 2004 Like many munitions, I suspect this depot was relocated beforehand. Given the electronic survelliance before and especially after the start of hostilities, a mass movement involving large truck transport or long-term small truck transport would have been flagged as an anomoly and addressed. The US Military is not stupid. And along this line, I think that the wmd stuff, useable and the bits and pieces (unless the entire world's intelligence services were wrong about the whole thing), ended up in Syria bit by bit in the run-up, about 50 miles SSE of Allepo. I think Sharon wants the settlements cleared out of northern Gaza for that, and an ensuing strike. Isreal has recently contracted with US companies for several hundred "deep penetrator" free-fall bombs. Delivery of such to Iranian nuclear facilities pose some special problems (not unsurmountable) , but not usage against certain Syrian enclaves. 88563[/snapback] BTW, love that signature. SOunds like the Democratic Party agenda today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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