freak Posted October 27, 2004 Posted October 27, 2004 and then set up the line this way: LT Jennings/Price LG Mike Williams C Teague/Tucker RG Villareal RT Price/Peters/Free Agent Look the guys we have aren't that bad. When Drew is replaced with JPL next year (or this year if we are lucky) then you will notice a big improvement in pass blocking. While I still think M. Williams gets too much blame just because he was a high pick, since his strength is drive blocking he'd be a stud at guard, probably the next Larry Allen. At center I think both Teague or Tucker could get the job done equally. Now at RT, Price has proven he can play either side effectively; if Jonas comes cheap we could move Price to RT. Then if Price is set at RT, this lineup would look pretty good. Now if Jonas cost too much, simply replace him with Price at LT. This wouldn't be much of a drop off and then either groom Peters to take over at RT or sign a free-agent RT. I think that by 2005 with a year and another off season to get adjusted Peters will be a force to consider at tackle for he definitely fits the bill (or Bill) athletically. Overall, the key change would need to be at QB for once Drew is replaced there will no longer be a sitting duck back there. Unless a team blitz you rarely see immediate pressure upon Bledsoe. Now while all the sacks aren't Drew's fault, half of his sacks are either coverage sacks or instances where he doesn't sense the rush and step up in the pocket. If we had a QB who could beat the blitz then guess what; teams won't be as tempted. Besides this year this group of guys have proven they can run block as TH hasn't gotten all those yards by himself the past 3 years; with M.Williams at guard we will pave the way to victory in 2005. All we need now is a coach or GM with the you know what to make bold changes and put these players in the best position regardless of salary or preference. I guess Murlakey is on the right track for by placing starters on special teams for our special teams has played better than they have in years. If he takes that same attitude to the O-line and QB then we'd be an elite team again instead of a heartbreak hotel losing close games and what ifs'!
Rubes Posted October 27, 2004 Posted October 27, 2004 Not bad overall, but I don't think you'll find many people here who are very supportive of keeping Jonas under any circumstance. I think most people here believe he is too injury-prone, and even with that tag he will still probably get offered more money on the FA market than he's worth. We seem to end up playing Price quite a bit as it is, so why not just keep Price in there? I think it will really depend on how the coaching staff feels about McFarland. If he is ready to be a productive backup next year, then we may see Jennings leave, and have Price as the starter backed up by McFarland. If McFarland is not ready, I'm not sure what will happen, because depth is everything in this sport, particularly on the offensive line. A lot can happen between now and the end of the season, and Jennings' value on the FA market will likely change before then in some way. If there aren't many takers, we may see him back, but I'm not counting on it. If teams are willing to pay through the nose for above-average players -- and it seems they are -- then we're not likely to see him back.
JÂy RÛßeÒ Posted October 27, 2004 Posted October 27, 2004 I'm worried about JJ's durability - he's had lots and lots of nagging injuries over the last year and a half. I'm glad there isn't much of a dropoff when Price comes in for him.
Fan in San Diego Posted October 27, 2004 Posted October 27, 2004 I would let Tucker start over Teague. It seems he handles the bullrush better. I would try Trey at RT and see how he does. He was a LT in Denver. But maybe his is better suited for RT.
John from Riverside Posted October 27, 2004 Posted October 27, 2004 and then set up the line this way: LT Jennings/Price LG Mike Williams C Teague/Tucker RG Villareal RT Price/Peters/Free Agent Look the guys we have aren't that bad. When Drew is replaced with JPL next year (or this year if we are lucky) then you will notice a big improvement in pass blocking. While I still think M. Williams gets too much blame just because he was a high pick, since his strength is drive blocking he'd be a stud at guard, probably the next Larry Allen. At center I think both Teague or Tucker could get the job done equally. Now at RT, Price has proven he can play either side effectively; if Jonas comes cheap we could move Price to RT. Then if Price is set at RT, this lineup would look pretty good. Now if Jonas cost too much, simply replace him with Price at LT. This wouldn't be much of a drop off and then either groom Peters to take over at RT or sign a free-agent RT. I think that by 2005 with a year and another off season to get adjusted Peters will be a force to consider at tackle for he definitely fits the bill (or Bill) athletically. Overall, the key change would need to be at QB for once Drew is replaced there will no longer be a sitting duck back there. Unless a team blitz you rarely see immediate pressure upon Bledsoe. Now while all the sacks aren't Drew's fault, half of his sacks are either coverage sacks or instances where he doesn't sense the rush and step up in the pocket. If we had a QB who could beat the blitz then guess what; teams won't be as tempted. Besides this year this group of guys have proven they can run block as TH hasn't gotten all those yards by himself the past 3 years; with M.Williams at guard we will pave the way to victory in 2005. All we need now is a coach or GM with the you know what to make bold changes and put these players in the best position regardless of salary or preference. I guess Murlakey is on the right track for by placing starters on special teams for our special teams has played better than they have in years. If he takes that same attitude to the O-line and QB then we'd be an elite team again instead of a heartbreak hotel losing close games and what ifs'! 87708[/snapback] I think that a shakeup is due on this line..... Even if we are able to resign Jennings...he should move back to the Right Tackle position....Mike Williams should be moved to Left Guard......and we should draft a left tackle
MDH Posted October 27, 2004 Posted October 27, 2004 and then set up the line this way: LT Jennings/Price LG Mike Williams C Teague/Tucker RG Villareal RT Price/Peters/Free Agent 87708[/snapback] If we have these exact same guys lining up next year I'm going to explode. We need to go out and get two more guys who are upgrades, one at LT (Jennings is gone) and one at RT (and move MW inside). I wouldn't mind seeing Teague replaced as well but I think that is hoping for too much in one offseason.
TigerJ Posted October 27, 2004 Posted October 27, 2004 Tucker is definitely stronger than Teague, and smart enough to handle the center position. Teague is more mobile and athletic. It probably depends of the particular defense the team is facing whether Teague or Tucker is better. If Teague would buckle down and get himself a lot stronger in the next offseason he could end any competition. As far as moving Williams to guard, I agree it may be his best position. The reality is he's being paid like a tackle. What difference does that make? Tackles command a higher salary than guards as a rule. If you pay a guard like a tackle, you still have to pay a tackle. Unless Buffalo can find a good right tackle at a value price, moving Williams to guard can have definite cap implications down the road. I'm not saying don't do it, but every move you make has to take into account cap implications.
CajunBillsBacker Posted October 27, 2004 Posted October 27, 2004 That happens, then we are out of playoff contention early next season also, and JP will spend the season running for his life. Look, our oline sucks, We have tried the changing of position approach, it didn't work with these guys. The next move is changing players. If the best free agent we get for the line is a 3rd string RT this offseason, then our 2005 season is wasted. and then set up the line this way: LT Jennings/Price LG Mike Williams C Teague/Tucker RG Villareal RT Price/Peters/Free Agent Look the guys we have aren't that bad. When Drew is replaced with JPL next year (or this year if we are lucky) then you will notice a big improvement in pass blocking. While I still think M. Williams gets too much blame just because he was a high pick, since his strength is drive blocking he'd be a stud at guard, probably the next Larry Allen. At center I think both Teague or Tucker could get the job done equally. Now at RT, Price has proven he can play either side effectively; if Jonas comes cheap we could move Price to RT. Then if Price is set at RT, this lineup would look pretty good. Now if Jonas cost too much, simply replace him with Price at LT. This wouldn't be much of a drop off and then either groom Peters to take over at RT or sign a free-agent RT. I think that by 2005 with a year and another off season to get adjusted Peters will be a force to consider at tackle for he definitely fits the bill (or Bill) athletically. Overall, the key change would need to be at QB for once Drew is replaced there will no longer be a sitting duck back there. Unless a team blitz you rarely see immediate pressure upon Bledsoe. Now while all the sacks aren't Drew's fault, half of his sacks are either coverage sacks or instances where he doesn't sense the rush and step up in the pocket. If we had a QB who could beat the blitz then guess what; teams won't be as tempted. Besides this year this group of guys have proven they can run block as TH hasn't gotten all those yards by himself the past 3 years; with M.Williams at guard we will pave the way to victory in 2005. All we need now is a coach or GM with the you know what to make bold changes and put these players in the best position regardless of salary or preference. I guess Murlakey is on the right track for by placing starters on special teams for our special teams has played better than they have in years. If he takes that same attitude to the O-line and QB then we'd be an elite team again instead of a heartbreak hotel losing close games and what ifs'! 87708[/snapback]
Spiderweb Posted October 27, 2004 Posted October 27, 2004 That happens, then we are out of playoff contention early next season also, and JP will spend the season running for his life.Look, our oline sucks, We have tried the changing of position approach, it didn't work with these guys. The next move is changing players. If the best free agent we get for the line is a 3rd string RT this offseason, then our 2005 season is wasted. 88023[/snapback] I wouldn't care if we get Curley, Larry, and Moe, just so long as they can get the job done. Wolford, Ritcher, Hull, Davis, Ballard....now that was an O-line....
Bill from NYC Posted October 27, 2004 Posted October 27, 2004 Why on earth would you want to sign Jennings? He doesn't even want to be here and has stated as much. He is about average when healthy, which is almost never. Yes, he will cost less because he has missed games and allowed sacks galore, but why not let some other team give him LT money to be carried off "ala cart?"
CajunBillsBacker Posted October 27, 2004 Posted October 27, 2004 EXACTLY!! Jennings is horrible. Did you see how he escorted John Abraham to the QB against the Jets? Let some other team overpay for him, lets get new personnel on our Oline, guys who WANT to learn from McNally. Why on earth would you want to sign Jennings? He doesn't even want to be here and has stated as much. He is about average when healthy, which is almost never. Yes, he will cost less because he has missed games and allowed sacks galore, but why not let some other team give him LT money to be carried off "ala cart?" 88082[/snapback]
TigerJ Posted October 28, 2004 Posted October 28, 2004 Jennings was playing injure in the Jets game. You can argue whether he should have been on the field or not, (I think he should have sat) but that game was not typical of his play while he's been a starter at left tackle for the Bills.
Bear Posted October 28, 2004 Posted October 28, 2004 As others have said, I don't think there is any way Jenning is here next year. He hasn't been very interested in staying, and he isn't worth starter money, although I do remember him doing quite well at RT, and if we moved MW to LG he might do okay over there again. I think the need to bring in two new OLinemen. LT Teague LG Williams C OPEN RG Villareal RT OPEN Of course this has a lot of assumptions to it. Can Teague go back to LT and work with McNally like he did at Center? Can Mike Williams play guard? I think we should be able to fill Center in the 2nd round of the draft. May no be an all-star, but a solid center can be had with that pick. (Usually) RT is a bit harder. I haven't seen any FA listings for next season, but the good ones usually get resigned, and the tackles that are ready to start are usually gone in the first round of the draft.
The Jokeman Posted October 28, 2004 Posted October 28, 2004 and then set up the line this way: LT Jennings/Price LG Mike Williams C Teague/Tucker RG Villareal RT Price/Peters/Free Agent 87708[/snapback] Aside from re-signing Jennings we also need to re-sign Price, as he to is due to be an UFA.
KOKBILLS Posted October 28, 2004 Posted October 28, 2004 Why on earth would you want to sign Jennings? He doesn't even want to be here and has stated as much. He is about average when healthy, which is almost never. Yes, he will cost less because he has missed games and allowed sacks galore, but why not let some other team give him LT money to be carried off "ala cart?" 88082[/snapback] I mostly agree except I think some Team will overpay for Jennings regardless of his Resume... He's young and he's played LT for a couple years now...And Market Value is normally set by the more foolish GM's in the NFL... B)
JStranger76 Posted October 28, 2004 Posted October 28, 2004 A free agent OLine list anyone? I don't care how much football is left. This is priority #1 next offseason no matter what happens the rest of the way.
JStranger76 Posted October 28, 2004 Posted October 28, 2004 By the way I'd say John From Hemet has the best idea so far. Hopefully a Mike Pearson type falls to us.
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