BuffaloBill Posted December 5, 2008 Posted December 5, 2008 Several posts on the board, some of mine included, argued that the Tampa 2 is a bad defensive scheme. Vs the 3-4 the data does not necessarily say this is the case. The data shows that they can be comparable. What seems to matter most is execution. Look at the data: Arguably the Tampa or Cover 2 defense was popularized in Tampa and Chicago going back 6 seasons. The Current teams play it (Ranking in Parenthesis): Tampa (4) Chicago (17) Detroit (31) Kansas City (32) Indianapolis (15) Buffalo (12) Of this group - Indy and Tampa are the only two likely playoff teams. Only one - the team playing the scheme the longest - is in the top 5 with the remainder being in the middle of the league at best. the 3-4 Defense: Pittsburgh (1) Baltimore (2) Cleveland (26) San Fran (23) New York Jets (19) New England (13) Miami (18) Out of this group some combination of three are likely to make the playoffs with Pitt being one of them. Coaching, players and execution matter - scheme is less important.
Fewell733 Posted December 5, 2008 Posted December 5, 2008 also few teams are tied to only strict style. Tomlin, for instance, is a cover-2 coach in Pittsburgh and Baltimore and San Fran change up their fronts quite a bit between 3 and 4 down lineman.
silvermike Posted December 5, 2008 Posted December 5, 2008 The best defenses play the scheme that fits their staff. The middling ones stick to a scheme even if it's against their talent. And Kansas City and Detroit just have Arena-league talent. Note that both TRADED AWAY their best defensive linemen this spring.
lets_go_bills Posted December 5, 2008 Posted December 5, 2008 I don't know where all this 3-4 talk came from. It seems random. Our D has played well this year. Is it the fact that our O can't do squat against a 3-4?
Dr. Fong Posted December 5, 2008 Posted December 5, 2008 I don't know where all this 3-4 talk came from. It seems random. Our D has played well this year. Is it the fact that our O can't do squat against a 3-4? I guess people are just sick of opposing RBs not having 200 yard rushing days against the Bills.
lets_go_bills Posted December 5, 2008 Posted December 5, 2008 I guess people are just sick of opposing RBs not having 200 yard rushing days against the Bills. The worst part is people seem to think we have the personnel to make an immediate switch to the 3-4. Crazy! The secondary is set but Puz is the only capable LB and Stroud is the only capable DL. We're short three LBs, one of whom has to be a DE/LB tweener pass rushing fiend. We're also short two DEs.
Sisyphean Bills Posted December 5, 2008 Posted December 5, 2008 The worst part is people seem to think we have the personnel to make an immediate switch to the 3-4. Crazy! The secondary is set but Puz is the only capable LB and Stroud is the only capable DL. We're short three LBs, one of whom has to be a DE/LB tweener pass rushing fiend. We're also short two DEs. I just when I read this stuff. Snap your fingers and guys that have no agility will instantly become coverage LBs, etc.
BuffaloBill Posted December 5, 2008 Author Posted December 5, 2008 The worst part is people seem to think we have the personnel to make an immediate switch to the 3-4. Crazy! The secondary is set but Puz is the only capable LB and Stroud is the only capable DL. We're short three LBs, one of whom has to be a DE/LB tweener pass rushing fiend. We're also short two DEs. I have no support for the 3-4 I was only trying to say that the silver bullet does not land with the scheme. You have to have the right players a good coaching staff and the will to win. It is the latter two that the Bills lack.
BuffaloBill Posted December 5, 2008 Author Posted December 5, 2008 I guess people are just sick of opposing RBs not having 200 yard rushing days against the Bills. The stats do not show this to be the case.
BuffaloBill Posted December 5, 2008 Author Posted December 5, 2008 The best defenses play the scheme that fits their staff. The middling ones stick to a scheme even if it's against their talent. And Kansas City and Detroit just have Arena-league talent. Note that both TRADED AWAY their best defensive linemen this spring. Amen
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