Bmwolf21 Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 Until the union gets involved. True. Although I don't know if the union will fight that hard for him -- he's the most reviled player in the NHL, and his own teammates seem pretty sick of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 He would have. The Stars are pretty fed up with Avery's schitt and he's not really helping the team. His teammates have no love for him, apparently. http://tsn.ca/columnists/james_duthie/?id=258309 Man this is some of the best stuff I have ever heard one player saying about another ""He's been undermining everything we do," says the veteran. "He doesn't pay attention; he's not smart enough to play our system. He can't do some drills properly. He says it's because he's 'independent.' Really, he's just not smart enough." Wonder if some Bills players feel this way about about Shonert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 True. Although I don't know if the union will fight that hard for him -- he's the most reviled player in the NHL, and his own teammates seem pretty sick of him. Undoubtedly that is true, but thats part of the reason why the union exists...to fight for players who are arbitraily suspended...like for saying something about an ex-girlfriend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebug Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 Undoubtedly that is true, but thats part of the reason why the union exists...to fight for players who are arbitraily suspended...like for saying something about an ex-girlfriend. I thought unions were there to fight for the people who shouldn't have jobs but keep them because they had a union. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 I thought unions were there to fight for the people who shouldn't have jobs but keep them because they had a union. The NHLPA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebug Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 The NHLPA? nah, just my little shot at unions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmwolf21 Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 Undoubtedly that is true, but thats part of the reason why the union exists...to fight for players who are arbitraily suspended...like for saying something about an ex-girlfriend. I don't know about calling his suspension arbitrary. They've got that clause in the standard player's contract that basically gives the league carte blache to discipline players who do stupid crap that damages the league and/or game. Sounds pretty vague: On that July 2 date, when Sean Avery signed a four-year, $15.5-million (U.S.) contract with the Dallas Stars, he probably gave just a cursory glance at the 11-page document in front of him — the NHL's standard players' contract (SPC). Here's a refresher course from page 2, article 2 (e), in which Avery agreed — among other things — "to conduct himself on and off the rink according to the highest standard of honesty, morality, fair play and sportsmanship, and to refrain from conduct detrimental to the best interest of the Club, the League or professional hockey." LINK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 I don't know about calling his suspension arbitrary. They've got that clause in the standard player's contract that basically gives the league carte blache to discipline players who do stupid crap that damages the league and/or game. Sounds pretty vague: On that July 2 date, when Sean Avery signed a four-year, $15.5-million (U.S.) contract with the Dallas Stars, he probably gave just a cursory glance at the 11-page document in front of him — the NHL's standard players' contract (SPC). Here's a refresher course from page 2, article 2 (e), in which Avery agreed — among other things — "to conduct himself on and off the rink according to the highest standard of honesty, morality, fair play and sportsmanship, and to refrain from conduct detrimental to the best interest of the Club, the League or professional hockey." LINK They can have fun with that one...if the Yankees could not void Giambi's contract after Giambi admitted taking steroids, ain't no way Dallas wins this one. Far too much of a slippery slope for the union. Even if the union has no desire to fight for Avery, they have no choice. And I love the 10-20 game suspension that article talks about...WTF? For referring to an ex gf as sloppy seconds? This is going to be heavily challenged by the union. You may see a compromise...a paid leave of absence, but IMHO Dallas is going to lose on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebug Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 They can have fun with that one...if the Yankees could not void Giambi's contract after Giambi admitted taking steroids, ain't no way Dallas wins this one. Far too much of a slippery slope for the union. Even if the union has no desire to fight for Avery, they have no choice. And I love the 10-20 game suspension that article talks about...WTF? For referring to an ex gf as sloppy seconds? This is going to be heavily challenged by the union. You may see a compromise...a paid leave of absence, but IMHO Dallas is going to lose on this one. Dallas lost when the signed that jackazz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmwolf21 Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 They can have fun with that one...if the Yankees could not void Giambi's contract after Giambi admitted taking steroids, ain't no way Dallas wins this one. Far too much of a slippery slope for the union. Even if the union has no desire to fight for Avery, they have no choice. And I love the 10-20 game suspension that article talks about...WTF? For referring to an ex gf as sloppy seconds? This is going to be heavily challenged by the union. You may see a compromise...a paid leave of absence, but IMHO Dallas is going to lose on this one. The MLBPA union is light years ahead of the NHLPA. The Yanks couldn't do anything to Giambi because he never admitted to taking steroids, and because allegedly they deleted the word steroids from the clause in his contract that would allow them to void the deal. LINK The union will appeal on principle, and there will be some sort of compromise with the NHL. I wouldn't count on a paid leave of absence (never happen in the NHL) but I would expect to see 8-10 games and a heavy fine. But I don't see Avery playing for the Stars again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayFinkle Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 I dated one of Rob Ray's former girlfriends for about a year. NHL players sloppy seconds aren't all that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebug Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 Avery has got style LOOK AT ME Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 The MLBPA union is light years ahead of the NHLPA. The Yanks couldn't do anything to Giambi because he never admitted to taking steroids, and because allegedly they deleted the word steroids from the clause in his contract that would allow them to void the deal. LINK The union will appeal on principle, and there will be some sort of compromise with the NHL. I wouldn't count on a paid leave of absence (never happen in the NHL) but I would expect to see 8-10 games and a heavy fine. But I don't see Avery playing for the Stars again. I missed that about Giambi, good find. Nevertheless, noone from MLB had contracts cancelled due to steroids. If Avery gets 8-10 games and a heavy fine for referring to an ex-gf as "sloppy seconds" I think the NHL is very wrong here. Personally, I would start testing the bounds of free speech on every occasion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 I don't think it just what he said but how he went about it. He didn't say it to his teammates, he didn't say it in the heat of battle on the ice. He called the media together in the locker room, waited for them to get the cameras ready and shot his mouth off for all to see. I think the nhl did the right thing, Avery is asking for trouble and this type of thing can lead to a bloodbath on the ice. P.S. his coach pretty much just said he is done in Dallas. You are correct about this. By doing this, he turned the NHL into a spectacle like the WWE. It might has well have been Mr. Wonderful Paul Orton calling out Hulk Hogan. If the NHL is going to be turned into a spectacle it should be done by Gary Bettmen and Gary Bettman alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmwolf21 Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 I missed that about Giambi, good find. Nevertheless, noone from MLB had contracts cancelled due to steroids. If Avery gets 8-10 games and a heavy fine for referring to an ex-gf as "sloppy seconds" I think the NHL is very wrong here. Personally, I would start testing the bounds of free speech on every occasion. In the grand scheme of things - considering how lenient the NHL is on the topic of on-ice safety, stick fouls, etc., - it is excessive. But looking at the act itself, I don't have a problem with it. If the comments were made to Phaneuf on-ice in the heat of the moment, that's one thing. But to gather the media and make sure the cameras are on before making that kind of comment? He deserves whatever the league hits him with, IMO. The area I disagree is the "free speech" issue. Most of us here have employers who can certainly put limits on what we say, with the threat of disciplinary action for inappropriate comments. Most companies wouldn't allow their employees to swear at or make sexually suggestive comments to their clients/customers or even coworkers, so why should the NHL let a player say whatever he wants to national media representatives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Drane Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 Thank you. This is crap. Bettman's a moron and the league is getting soft. It's official. The NHL is a league aimed at 13 year old girls, white collar guys who drink Mike's Lemonade, and soccer moms. $20 says someone had to explain to Bettman what Sloppy Seconds meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebug Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 It's official. The NHL is a league aimed at 13 year old girls, white collar guys who drink Mike's Lemonade, and soccer moms. $20 says someone had to explain to Bettman what Sloppy Seconds meant. Why because the want to rid the league of scum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLZFAN4LIFE Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 It's official. The NHL is a league aimed at 13 year old girls, white collar guys who drink Mike's Lemonade, and soccer moms. $20 says someone had to explain to Bettman what Sloppy Seconds meant. Exactly. This type of stupid bullsh!# is why the NHL has been relegated to the network formerly known as OLN and can't beat women's college basketball in the ratings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Drane Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 Why because the want to rid the league of scum? I guess there should be some nice suspensions coming the Sabres way. PS...I forgot to add "alternative lifestyle" to those the league is marketed to. 2 minutes for holding the stick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Drane Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 Exactly. This type of stupid bullsh!# is why the NHL has been relegated to the network formerly known as OLN and can't beat women's college basketball in the ratings. I used to LOVE hockey. It was one of the few places in life where there was honor. You play hard or you go home. You stand up for those around you. You screw up and you are expected to take your Robitussin. I guess all sports are really not what they used to be. Maybe the NCAA tourney in March.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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