molson_golden2002 Posted December 2, 2008 Author Share Posted December 2, 2008 I love how the right wingers have reduced patriotism to just reciting things and wearing flag pins. Hey, at least we got them to drop the idea that supporting Bush is test of patriotism! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 We are still talking about 7 year olds - right? I think everyone else is. I was talking about patriotism. Again...I was being a cynic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 My belief is that it should be said in schools. It is part of our countries history, it instills a sense of patriotism and can/should make kids think about being part of this great country. Especially when they are being taught the history of it. No valid reason not to say it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 I don't care much but I don't see any value in doing it every day. I said the Pledge and Our Father/Hail Mary every day in school and feel no closer or further from god and country than if I hadn't. It was just an annoying thing to do before the day started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 What do you consider patriotism? Paying taxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Paying taxes. Peggy's not patriotic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Peggy's not patriotic. She doesn't have to be as long as the top 5% of patriotic people give enough patriotism so Peggy can get her patriotism free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLynchTrain Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 My belief is that it should be said in schools. It is part of our countries history, it instills a sense of patriotism and can/should make kids think about being part of this great country. Especially when they are being taught the history of it. No valid reason not to say it. A few points: - If by history you mean for about a hundred years out of our 250 year existence. Also, it didn't become our official pledge until the 1940s when Congress made it so. Yes, it talks about the countries history, but in the grand scheme of things, its not too old of a tradition. -Secondly, Francis Bellamy was, whats that? A SOCIALIST. If only everyone knew a damn socialist created the pledge, would it still be used today? Thirdly, West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette in 1943 ruled that the state did not have the power to compel speech in that manner for anyone, since they ruled it violated the First Amendment. Anybody that has taken a constitutional law/government/civics class knows that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molson_golden2002 Posted December 2, 2008 Author Share Posted December 2, 2008 A few points: - If by history you mean for about a hundred years out of our 250 year existence. Also, it didn't become our official pledge until the 1940s when Congress made it so. Yes, it talks about the countries history, but in the grand scheme of things, its not too old of a tradition. -Secondly, Francis Bellamy was, whats that? A SOCIALIST. If only everyone knew a damn socialist created the pledge, would it still be used today? Thirdly, West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette in 1943 ruled that the state did not have the power to compel speech in that manner for anyone, since they ruled it violated the First Amendment. Anybody that has taken a constitutional law/government/civics class knows that. As a local sidenote, Robert H. Jackson of Jamestown, NY wrote that opinion for the court Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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