30dive Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 President Bush tells Charlie Gibson of Good Morning America, with Laura by his side that he is in direct oposition to the Republican parties plank, and is in favor of same sex civil unions. He goes on to say that he is not in favor of restricting anyones civil rights, and if states leagalize civil unions to ensure those rights, he is in favor of this. The President went on to re-affirm his opposition to same sex marriages. This can't be good with his base. Before you ask...Saw the video report on CNN's Wolf Blitzer at 5:45pm ET Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blzrul Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 Flip Flop More Flop than flip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichFan Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 Bush has been consistent on this issue. He supports the Defense of Marriage Act which allows states the right to decide while ensuring one state's decision doesn't impact anothers'. The Constitutional Amendment he has asked for allows for civil unions while denying marriage. He has only asked for a Constitutional Amendment because state judiciaries have usurped the people in several states and there is grwoing concern that DOMA may eventually be overturned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30dive Posted October 27, 2004 Author Share Posted October 27, 2004 yep....but it still can't be good for the conservative base. A base that he needs to vote next Tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Coli Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 yep....but it still can't be good for the conservative base. A base that he needs to vote next Tuesday. 87026[/snapback] His hard-core base will still vote for him, no matter what comes out of his mouth now. He's pandering to undecideds who still might buy into his "compassionate conservative" schtick. As for DOMA, he knows it will only take one state to allow gay marriages, then it will get bumped up to the Supreme court which will have to rule on the constitutionality of one state defining marriage for another. If he becomes president, he'll get to choose at least two new Supreme court judges. So he can say whatever the hell he wants, if he's elected it won't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 Bush has been consistent on this issue. He supports the Defense of Marriage Act which allows states the right to decide while ensuring one state's decision doesn't impact anothers'. The Constitutional Amendment he has asked for allows for civil unions while denying marriage. He has only asked for a Constitutional Amendment because state judiciaries have usurped the people in several states and there is grwoing concern that DOMA may eventually be overturned. 87018[/snapback] No offense man, but you are so full of stevesojohn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichFan Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 No offense man, but you are so full of stevesojohn! No offense taken. Hard to be offended when someone obviously doesn't have a clue what they are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 That was my point too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 Bush has been consistent on this issue. He supports the Defense of Marriage Act which allows states the right to decide while ensuring one state's decision doesn't impact anothers'. The Constitutional Amendment he has asked for allows for civil unions while denying marriage. He has only asked for a Constitutional Amendment because state judiciaries have usurped the people in several states and there is grwoing concern that DOMA may eventually be overturned. 87018[/snapback] His position now is not at all in line with the party plank on this issue. I recall vividly how he fought his own party to prevent the plank setting the party line against civil unions because as a man of principal rather than one who panders to his base, there is no way he would sit idle while such an injustice occurred. Certainly he wouldn't simply let this plank go in without a fight and then, at the eleventh hour, announce his opposition to it as he fights to get back to the middle in a desperate attempt to secure votes from moderates. He wouldn't brazenly pander to the base and to moderates with such flip floppery, would he? Funny just checked the transcript of his remarks at the convention, he didn't mention that he supports civil unions then. Hmmmmm, must have been a simple over sight. Interesting enough, brother Jeb stated that he was against legalizing civil unions just this past March. Did he not get the memo? Here is the party platform on the subject which clearly says no gay marriage and no equivalent: "We strongly support President Bush’s call for a Constitutional amendment that fully protects marriage, and we believe that neither federal nor state judges nor bureaucrats should force states to recognize other living arrangements as equivalent to marriage. ...We further believe that legal recognition and the accompanying benefits afforded couples should be preserved for that unique and special union of one man and one woman which has historically been called marriage." Typical. Rev up the base at the convention and then scurry to the middle before the general election. I don't fault him, it is smart politics. What bothers me is the pretense the right keeps trying to maintain with a straight face that their guy is above all that. Bull ****. He is a handshakin', pork passin', baby kissin' panderin' pol' just like all the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wham Rocks Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 George W. Bush just lost my vote! I'm pulling the lever for Alan Keyes because he understands the true threat posed by "selfish hedonism" on American society! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadDad Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 Bush has been consistent on this issue. He supports the Defense of Marriage Act which allows states the right to decide while ensuring one state's decision doesn't impact anothers'. The Constitutional Amendment he has asked for allows for civil unions while denying marriage. He has only asked for a Constitutional Amendment because state judiciaries have usurped the people in several states and there is grwoing concern that DOMA may eventually be overturned. 87018[/snapback] What a crock of caca! That's why VP Cheney has said on numerous occasions all this Fall that he supports Civil Unions and that is a matter for the States to decide individually. However, the President sets the policy and he supports the President. This is a complete move to the center and his base, if they heard it, won't be too pleased. Keep on drinking from Karl Roves cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichFan Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 You libs have just become Bush-hating, ranting, raving, idiots. You emulate your candidate well, jumping on something, anything that you think might swing some votes and then watching it blow up in your face. From CNN on 2/25/04: http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/02/24/....bush.marriage/ President Bush endorsed a constitutional amendment Tuesday that would restrict marriage to two people of the opposite sex but leave open the possibility that states could allow civil unions. "Our government should respect every person and protect the institution of marriage," he said. "There is not a contradiction between these responsibilities." That position did not sit well with some social conservatives, who want an amendment that would prevent states from recognizing both same-sex marriages and civil unions. The problem for Bush is that the bill that was originally introduced in the House did not allow for civil unions and that somehow got attached to his agenda. But he has never spoken out against the idea of a civil union and has only been concerned about preserving the sanctity of marriage and the rights of state legislatures to decide on this issue. buftex, Mickey, BadDad -- yet again, you guys are wrong, wrong, wrong!!!!! :I starred in Brokeback Mountain: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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