Trade Roscoe Parrish during the offseason??

[BuffaloBill]

While there are many resons to hate Bellichick one thing he said years ago that did impress me (when referring to the Bledsoe trade to Buffalo) was that you have to decide who you can win without, even if they are good players. I'm not sure what we could get in trade for roscoe but he is not an NFL threat at wide-receiver and it may be too much of a luxury to carry him as a punt return specialist only. Let McKelvin handle all returns - even if it means dropping him to nickle corner on the depth chart to level out his playing time.

 

Let's argue that best case you get a second rounder for Roscoe. You can get a quality o-line or d-line player in return. If you can't get at least a third rounder then it is probably not worth the trade. Maybe there is a package deal in there somewhere such that we get extra picks and a move up in the draft. Again, may depend upon who is on the board but an impact pass rusher or solid TE helps the Bills more than Roscoe does.

 

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[Numark]

Parrish is still developing as a WR and we honestly have no depth of at WR especially in the slot.

[BuffaloBill]

Parrish is still developing as a WR and we honestly have no depth of at WR especially in the slot.

 

 

He has had years. I also get the idea that Trent Edwards either can't find him or will not throw to him. Trent seems to really like Evans and Reed.

[DrDawkinstein]

you make some good points, and i'll say its not a horrible idea, depending on what we could get for him...

 

but i think keeping him on and letting him develop in this developing offense, may create a bigger upside. The thing everyone has to remember is, not only are our players young, but so is our "Offense" as a whole. Meaning, there are pages of the playbook that we wont even see for at least another year or two.

 

I think, given the threats that Evans, Reed, Lynch and Jackson are developing into, PLUS what we have if Fine and Hardy can develop... we should be able to find ways of getting the ball to Parrish in space and letting him run wild.

 

While I agree with the idea of trading him based on my perspective of "everything is for sale if the offer is right", I wouldn't mind seeing what he can do with another year under the Offense's belt.

[DrDawkinstein]

He has had years. I also get the idea that Trent Edwards either can't find him or will not throw to him. Trent seems to really like Evans and Reed.

 

 

no, he hasnt had years, not really. nothing and no one on this offense has had years to develop given the inconsistency of coaches and players and their performances. a large majority of Bills fans have been calling for the head of Josh Reed for years, and now look... he's the cornerstone of this budding offense.

 

as far as im concerned, this is the real first year for this offense. maybe year and a half if you want to count part of last season.

[BuffaloBill]

no, he hasnt had years, not really. nothing and no one on this offense has had years to develop given the inconsistency of coaches and players and their performances. a large majority of Bills fans have been calling for the head of Josh Reed for years, and now look... he's the cornerstone of this budding offense.

 

as far as im concerned, this is the real first year for this offense. maybe year and a half if you want to count part of last season.

 

 

Then why is Evans playing at a higher level as is Reed (when healthy) Parrish is now a veteran not a rookie. My point is that he has talent and the Bills can get something in return for it (no pun intended). Keeping a guy on the roster simply to return punts takes up a very valuable roster spot.

 

Also, to the other comments - agreed we should not give him away - the trade has to offer real value but like I said .. a second rounder ... a good mix of stuff moving us up (meaningfully) in the first round and maybe getting another pick to go with it .. who would pass it up?

[DrDawkinstein]

Then why is Evans playing at a higher level as is Reed (when healthy) Parrish is now a veteran not a rookie. My point is that he has talent and the Bills can get something in return for it (no pun intended). Keeping a guy on the roster simply to return punts takes up a very valuable roster spot.

 

Also, to the other comments - agreed we should not give him away - the trade has to offer real value but like I said .. a second rounder ... a good mix of stuff moving us up (meaningfully) in the first round and maybe getting another pick to go with it .. who would pass it up?

 

 

while they are all technically Wide Receivers, they all play different positions. Evans natural ability is speed and the burst to get by people for the long ball. he started out at a different level since he could be successful with something that didnt need to be coached or developed.

 

plus, certain people develop at different rates. it was still the beginning of this season that people wanted Reed gone.

 

obviously, if you are expecting a 2nd rounder for him, then you are expecting teams to see him as more than just a punt returner.

 

im all for improving the team, and agree that yes, right now he is basically a punt returner. Until we have a couple injuries at WR, then he is valuable veteran depth. something we are thin at at a lot of positions, no need to create another. of course, if johnson keeps developing and we get a real TE out of Fine... maybe we dont need to be so deep at WR.

[Alphadawg7]

While there are many resons to hate Bellichick one thing he said years ago that did impress me (when referring to the Bledsoe trade to Buffalo) was that you have to decide who you can win without, even if they are good players. I'm not sure what we could get in trade for roscoe but he is not an NFL threat at wide-receiver and it may be too much of a luxury to carry him as a punt return specialist only. Let McKelvin handle all returns - even if it means dropping him to nickle corner on the depth chart to level out his playing time.

 

Let's argue that best case you get a second rounder for Roscoe. You can get a quality o-line or d-line player in return. If you can't get at least a third rounder then it is probably not worth the trade. Maybe there is a package deal in there somewhere such that we get extra picks and a move up in the draft. Again, may depend upon who is on the board but an impact pass rusher or solid TE helps the Bills more than Roscoe does.

 

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Best case? Second Rounder? Yeah right...no way we get a second round pick for a player who is yet to prove he can play at this level as anything other than a punt returner. We didnt even get a 2nd round pick for Mcgahee, and Baltimore REALLY wanted him and he had proven he could be a significant starting RB in this league, just wore out his welcome in Buffalo.

 

I like Roscoe, but he has not proven to be able to step up and be consistent as a WR, earn more time, or stay healthy.

 

Unless he shows something during the rest of the year, I would say our ceiling on him is 4th round pick...maybe a third if he shows some consitent factor in the passing game over the remainder of our season.

 

Personally, I think it would be best to keep him as he is a special kick returner who has big play potential on offense...just not an every down kind of WR, well at least thats what he has shown so far.

[BuffaloBill]

while they are all technically Wide Receivers, they all play different positions. Evans natural ability is speed and the burst to get by people for the long ball. he started out at a different level since he could be successful with something that didnt need to be coached or developed.

 

plus, certain people develop at different rates. it was still the beginning of this season that people wanted Reed gone.

 

obviously, if you are expecting a 2nd rounder for him, then you are expecting teams to see him as more than just a punt returner.

 

im all for improving the team, and agree that yes, right now he is basically a punt returner. Until we have a couple injuries at WR, then he is valuable veteran depth. something we are thin at at a lot of positions, no need to create another. of course, if johnson keeps developing and we get a real TE out of Fine... maybe we dont need to be so deep at WR.

 

 

Not sure where to go from here ... agree to disagree? Roscoe has never proven himself to be a WR in this league so yes a second rounder is very optimistic but perhaps somebody bites based on his threat to change a game every time he goes in to return a punt.

 

I really disgree that time will cause him to contribute more. He has four years in the league, an NFL lifetime.

 

Your comparison to jettisoning Reed does not have a place in what i am trying to argue. One I never supported that thought as Reed is a very, very valuable role player. He blocks like a pit bull and in spite of having the drops a few years ago he catches anything thrown at him now. Plus as I said earlier Trent edwards reaaly looks for him.

[Alphadawg7]

By the way...if you want to look at trading a WR this off season...see James Hardy. We have a certain 7th rounder who looks like he could be the steal of the draft and the future starter opposite Evans if he continues to develop. Word is the FO really likes him...so that would leave Hardy where? An expensive 3rd WR? What about Reed and Roscoe then? Someone has to be the odd man out...

 

Trade hardy on his potential...we could get a decent pick back for him...maybe a first day pick.

[Peter]

Did you guys notice how the Chiefs feared kicking to the guy (just like so many other teams). That translates to better drive starts. He also is averaging 14.7 yards per return.

 

When he does get the ball in the passing game, he is fine.

 

It seems to me, this is a guy that we want on our team -- especially after he signed a cap friendly extension.

 

Just my two cents.

[DrDawkinstein]

Not sure where to go from here ... agree to disagree? Roscoe has never proven himself to be a WR in this league so yes a second rounder is very optimistic but perhaps somebody bites based on his threat to change a game every time he goes in to return a punt.

 

I really disgree that time will cause him to contribute more. He has four years in the league, an NFL lifetime.

 

Your comparison to jettisoning Reed does not have a place in what i am trying to argue. One I never supported that thought as Reed is a very, very valuable role player. He blocks like a pit bull and in spite of having the drops a few years ago he catches anything thrown at him now. Plus as I said earlier Trent edwards reaaly looks for him.

 

i wouldnt even say we disagree, lol

 

and im not looking to argue this until we have a "winner" like every discussion on this board turns into.

 

just giving another perspective.

 

i dont know that time will cause him to contribute more, and im not saying you wanted reed gone. just using him as a perfect, recent example of the same scenario we're discussing.

 

 

but, if we pick a 2nd round bust and 3 wrs get injured next year, im upping this thread

[BuffaloBill]

Best case? Second Rounder? Yeah right...no way we get a second round pick for a player who is yet to prove he can play at this level as anything other than a punt returner. We didnt even get a 2nd round pick for Mcgahee, and Baltimore REALLY wanted him and he had proven he could be a significant starting RB in this league, just wore out his welcome in Buffalo.

 

I like Roscoe, but he has not proven to be able to step up and be consistent as a WR, earn more time, or stay healthy.

 

Unless he shows something during the rest of the year, I would say our ceiling on him is 4th round pick...maybe a third if he shows some consitent factor in the passing game over the remainder of our season.

 

Personally, I think it would be best to keep him as he is a special kick returner who has big play potential on offense...just not an every down kind of WR, well at least thats what he has shown so far.

 

 

As I have said... depends on what we can get for him. Agreed if it is only a fourth rounder keep him on our roster. A third you think about it depending on who you can draft and if it is a second rounder then it's a no-brainer.

 

Keep in mind we got a third and a fith for McGahee who also never really had a true impact season - I still think he got to rest on the hype coming out of college. I hate that he got hurt the way he did but good bye to him - too self absorbed and the Bills clearly got the better end of the deal.

[BuffaloBill]

i wouldnt even say we disagree, lol

 

and im not looking to argue this until we have a "winner" like every discussion on this board turns into.

 

just giving another perspective.

 

i dont know that time will cause him to contribute more, and im not saying you wanted reed gone. just using him as a perfect, recent example of the same scenario we're discussing.

 

 

but, if we pick a 2nd round bust and 3 wrs get injured next year, im upping this thread

 

 

Time to go home and quit wasting my employer's bandwidth on another useless debate - I've enjoyed it and will check back later tonight after my wife and I are finished arguing about who has to clean the litter box tonight. At least that discussion has a meritorious outcome as the cats are "winners" in the process.

[NavarreFL_Bills_Fan]

While there are many resons to hate Bellichick one thing he said years ago that did impress me (when referring to the Bledsoe trade to Buffalo) was that you have to decide who you can win without, even if they are good players. I'm not sure what we could get in trade for roscoe but he is not an NFL threat at wide-receiver and it may be too much of a luxury to carry him as a punt return specialist only. Let McKelvin handle all returns - even if it means dropping him to nickle corner on the depth chart to level out his playing time.

 

Let's argue that best case you get a second rounder for Roscoe. You can get a quality o-line or d-line player in return. If you can't get at least a third rounder then it is probably not worth the trade. Maybe there is a package deal in there somewhere such that we get extra picks and a move up in the draft. Again, may depend upon who is on the board but an impact pass rusher or solid TE helps the Bills more than Roscoe does.

 

Flame away

 

 

Roscoe, unfortunately is a luxury player. He is the kinda guy you get when you already have 2 solid recievers or just need extra speed. We will never be able to plug him in as a reliable first or second receiver for an entire year. We will not get a 2nd or 3rd rounder for him. The production is not there, and you can get an impact receivers outright from the draft in those rounds. I think he's a good player, but also think it would be like trying to trade in a car that you're upside down on...our best value will come from keeping him.

[BuffaloBill]

By the way...if you want to look at trading a WR this off season...see James Hardy. We have a certain 7th rounder who looks like he could be the steal of the draft and the future starter opposite Evans if he continues to develop. Word is the FO really likes him...so that would leave Hardy where? An expensive 3rd WR? What about Reed and Roscoe then? Someone has to be the odd man out...

 

Trade hardy on his potential...we could get a decent pick back for him...maybe a first day pick.

 

 

Not likely to get a day one pick .. kinda like buying a new car .. value drops as soon as you drive it off the lot. If he is not an impact plaer in Buffalo then not likely to be somewhere else just because the scenery changes.

[DrDawkinstein]

how about this:

 

could it be argued that kick/punt returners are bigger impact players for the offense than some of the guys on that 11 man list?

 

look at all of parrish's return yards. those arent just Special Team Stats. those are pure offensive yards that directly help the offense.

[BuffaloBill]

Did you guys notice how the Chiefs feared kicking to the guy (just like so many other teams). That translates to better drive starts. He also is averaging 14.7 yards per return.

 

When he does get the ball in the passing game, he is fine.

 

It seems to me, this is a guy that we want on our team -- especially after he signed a cap friendly extension.

 

Just my two cents.

 

 

I agree the Chiefs were clearly scared and it resulted in good field position - a quality team would not do that.

[renfruzetz]

We traded a 3 and 5 for former pro bowl DT Marcus Stroud. We would be lucky to get a 4 for Roscoe. Possibly game changing #4 WR and league leading PR for a backup player. NFW.

[BuffaloBill]

how about this:

 

could it be argued that kick/punt returners are bigger impact players for the offense than some of the guys on that 11 man list?

 

look at all of parrish's return yards. those arent just Special Team Stats. those are pure offensive yards that directly help the offense.

 

 

Then why can't Tasker get recognition as a special teamer (I know he was not the return guy)? I agree that you have to win the field position battle but a good punter will kick it away from him or good coverage makes for a fair catch. Probably three to five plays a game where he really makes or has potential to make a difference. McKelvin could make the same contribution though and we would free up a valuable roster spot if we get something worthwhile in exchange (notice I avoided return).