erynthered Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 http://www.ksbw.com/politics/18053001/detail.html The crimes committed by those on the list include drug offenses, income tax evasion, bank embezzlement and violation of the Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act. Leslie Owen Collier, of Charleston, Mo. She was convicted for unauthorized use of a pesticide and violating the Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act. Milton Kirk Cordes, of Rapid City, S.D. Cordes was convicted of conspiracy to violate the Lacey Act, which prohibits importation into the country of wildlife taken in violation of conservation laws. Richard Micheal Culpepper, of Mahomet, Ill., who was convicted of making false statements to the federal government. Brenda Jean Dolenz-Helmer, of Fort Worth, Texas, for reporting or helping cover up a crime. Andrew Foster Harley, of Falls Church, Va. Harley was convicted of wrongful use and distribution of marijuana and cocaine. Obie Gene Helton, of Rossville, Ga., whose offense was unauthorized acquisition of food stamps. Carey C. Hice Sr., of Travelers Rest, S.C., who was convicted of income tax evasion. elegantelliotoffen, was refused a pardon. He was charged with unauthorised use of a brain and therefore will have to live his life in complete ignorance for ever. Geneva Yvonne Hogg, of Jacksonville, Fla., convicted of bank embezzlement. William Hoyle McCright Jr., of Midland, Texas, who was sentenced for making false entries, books, reports or statements to a bank. Paul Julian McCurdy, of Sulphur, Okla., who was sentenced for misapplication of bank funds. Robert Earl Mohon Jr., of Grant, Ala., who was convicted of conspiracy to distribute marijuana. Ronald Alan Mohrhoff, of Los Angeles, who was convicted for unlawful use of a telephone in a narcotics felony. Daniel Figh Pue III, of Conroe, Texas, convicted of illegal treatment, storage and disposal of a hazardous waste without a permit. Orion Lynn Vick, of White Hall, Ark., who was convicted of aiding and abetting the theft of government property. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 What is the logic behind presidential pardons? Isn't no man, including the President, above the law? Why does he have the power to overturn these convictions and how were these seemingly random people chosen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastaJoe Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 What is the logic behind presidential pardons? Isn't no man, including the President, above the law? Why does he have the power to overturn these convictions and how were these seemingly random people chosen? The people or surrogates petition the White House, and they have to present a convincing case as to why they have been inprisoned wrongly, too long, or are deserving of an early release. I'm sure we'll see the more political ones like Libby in the last days. I read that the White House is trying to find a way to grant pre-emptive blanket pardons for anyone involved in the illegal wiretapping of Americans in the U.S., or those involved in torture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 What is the logic behind presidential pardons? Isn't no man, including the President, above the law? Why does he have the power to overturn these convictions and how were these seemingly random people chosen? Oh it's just that pesky Constitution thing again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 Oh it's just that pesky Constitution thing again. So everything written in the Constitution is automatically right and just? What if they guaranteed the right to sodomize children in the Constitution? I just don't see the logic behind pardons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 So everything written in the Constitution is automatically right and just? What if they guaranteed the right to sodomize children in the Constitution? I just don't see the logic behind pardons. Those pesky founding fathers. On the other hand, as men generally derive confidence from their numbers, they might often encourage each other in an act of obduracy, and might be less sensible to the apprehension of suspicion or censure for an injudicious or affected clemency. On these accounts, one man appears to be a more eligible dispenser of the mercy of government, than a body of men. And good job throwing that sodomy arguement in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EC-Bills Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 http://www.ksbw.com/politics/18053001/detail.html The crimes committed by those on the list include drug offenses, income tax evasion, bank embezzlement and violation of the Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act. ... elegantelliotoffen, was refused a pardon. He was charged with unauthorised use of a brain and therefore will have to live his life in complete ignorance for ever. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 What is the logic behind presidential pardons? Isn't no man, including the President, above the law? Why does he have the power to overturn these convictions and how were these seemingly random people chosen? It's the Executive check on Judicial convictions and sentences. That pesky old checks and balances thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blzrul Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 Libby will be pardoned with 1 minute left in Bush's term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 Libby will be pardoned with 1 minute left in Bush's term. I heard he's going to wait till the last second just to torture you over it. That seems like a fairly innocuous list so far. I doubt he goes on a Clinonesque pardon spree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blzrul Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 I heard he's going to wait till the last second just to torture you over it. That seems like a fairly innocuous list so far. I doubt he goes on a Clinonesque pardon spree. I really care as much about Bush and his pardons as I do about Sarah Palin and what she's up to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 http://www.ksbw.com/politics/18053001/detail.html The crimes committed by those on the list include drug offenses, income tax evasion, bank embezzlement and violation of the Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act. Leslie Owen Collier, of Charleston, Mo. She was convicted for unauthorized use of a pesticide and violating the Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act. Milton Kirk Cordes, of Rapid City, S.D. Cordes was convicted of conspiracy to violate the Lacey Act, which prohibits importation into the country of wildlife taken in violation of conservation laws. Richard Micheal Culpepper, of Mahomet, Ill., who was convicted of making false statements to the federal government. Brenda Jean Dolenz-Helmer, of Fort Worth, Texas, for reporting or helping cover up a crime. Andrew Foster Harley, of Falls Church, Va. Harley was convicted of wrongful use and distribution of marijuana and cocaine. Obie Gene Helton, of Rossville, Ga., whose offense was unauthorized acquisition of food stamps. Carey C. Hice Sr., of Travelers Rest, S.C., who was convicted of income tax evasion. elegantelliotoffen, was refused a pardon. He was charged with unauthorised use of a brain and therefore will have to live his life in complete ignorance for ever. Geneva Yvonne Hogg, of Jacksonville, Fla., convicted of bank embezzlement. William Hoyle McCright Jr., of Midland, Texas, who was sentenced for making false entries, books, reports or statements to a bank. Paul Julian McCurdy, of Sulphur, Okla., who was sentenced for misapplication of bank funds. Robert Earl Mohon Jr., of Grant, Ala., who was convicted of conspiracy to distribute marijuana. Ronald Alan Mohrhoff, of Los Angeles, who was convicted for unlawful use of a telephone in a narcotics felony. Daniel Figh Pue III, of Conroe, Texas, convicted of illegal treatment, storage and disposal of a hazardous waste without a permit. Orion Lynn Vick, of White Hall, Ark., who was convicted of aiding and abetting the theft of government property. Gee thanks for the ppp news posting. No comment yerself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted November 25, 2008 Author Share Posted November 25, 2008 Gee thanks for the ppp news posting. No comment yerself? Actually there is. Did you read it, Officer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted November 25, 2008 Author Share Posted November 25, 2008 Oh, I'll add this too. Former U.S. Border Patrol agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean should be pardoned too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 Oh, I'll add this too. Former U.S. Border Patrol agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean should be pardoned too. Those the guys who shot the illegals running drugs across boarder? Yes, definitely. And give them a medal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keukasmallie Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 Any chance W will pardon Hill'ry from her terminal sentence of butt stupid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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