NavarreFL_Bills_Fan Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 Bills Fans, This is my first post, so bear with me. After reading all the posts, articles, and critiques of TE, one thing seems to go vastly unmentioned: We are dealing with a ROOKIE offensive coordinator. Just like experience counts with quarterbacks, experience counts with coordinators. I think the list of miscues is long enough: 1. Game prep--as TE mentions, the prep for one defense and see another 2. Outthinking themselves--spread offense on 3rd and 1's 3. Playing to opposing defense's strength--not getting into better calls when it matters....New England was obviously playing run, when we were running and playing pass when we were passing....so obvious that even the casual fan and announcers mentioned it. also, think Cleveland--shoulda been pounding it via beast mode against a weak run defense early and often. 4. Lack of creativity--think teams jumping our runs when Josh Reed goes in motion 5. Not getting it to our playmakers...Lee Evans with 0 catches comes to mind...move him around, put him in the wildcat or run a reverse...SOMETHING....instead he's the NFL's highest paid decoy. I just think too much negative credit is being pointed at TE. He is responsible for executing what is put in front of him, but the coaches are responsible for putting them advantageous situations. They are not doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 Bills Fans, This is my first post, so bear with me. After reading all the posts, articles, and critiques of TE, one thing seems to go vastly unmentioned: We are dealing with a ROOKIE offensive coordinator. Just like experience counts with quarterbacks, experience counts with coordinators. I think the list of miscues is long enough: 1. Game prep--as TE mentions, the prep for one defense and see another 2. Outthinking themselves--spread offense on 3rd and 1's 3. Playing to opposing defense's strength--not getting into better calls when it matters....New England was obviously playing run, when we were running and playing pass when we were passing....so obvious that even the casual fan and announcers mentioned it. also, think Cleveland--shoulda been pounding it via beast mode against a weak run defense early and often. 4. Lack of creativity--think teams jumping our runs when Josh Reed goes in motion 5. Not getting it to our playmakers...Lee Evans with 0 catches comes to mind...move him around, put him in the wildcat or run a reverse...SOMETHING....instead he's the NFL's highest paid decoy. I just think too much negative credit is being pointed at TE. He is responsible for executing what is put in front of him, but the coaches are responsible for putting them advantageous situations. They are not doing that. no--not the OC.....and YES---too much negativity toward TE who arguably is concussed. Lots of denial going on around here.Not trying to beat a dead horse--its been discussed. But everyone seems to be afraid to talk about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 Bills Fans, This is my first post, so bear with me. After reading all the posts, articles, and critiques of TE, one thing seems to go vastly unmentioned: We are dealing with a ROOKIE offensive coordinator. Just like experience counts with quarterbacks, experience counts with coordinators. I think the list of miscues is long enough: 1. Game prep--as TE mentions, the prep for one defense and see another 2. Outthinking themselves--spread offense on 3rd and 1's 3. Playing to opposing defense's strength--not getting into better calls when it matters....New England was obviously playing run, when we were running and playing pass when we were passing....so obvious that even the casual fan and announcers mentioned it. also, think Cleveland--shoulda been pounding it via beast mode against a weak run defense early and often. 4. Lack of creativity--think teams jumping our runs when Josh Reed goes in motion 5. Not getting it to our playmakers...Lee Evans with 0 catches comes to mind...move him around, put him in the wildcat or run a reverse...SOMETHING....instead he's the NFL's highest paid decoy. I just think too much negative credit is being pointed at TE. He is responsible for executing what is put in front of him, but the coaches are responsible for putting them advantageous situations. They are not doing that. Trent was clearly peeing in his pants on Monday night. Evans was open on a few occasions and Trent had plenty of time to find him. He never tried to get the ball to him. Trent has earned the bulk of blame for why the offense has collapsed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavarreFL_Bills_Fan Posted November 23, 2008 Author Share Posted November 23, 2008 I would argue it's not the concussion....The team's in a slump, opponents know what they are going to do before they do it, and players think in terms of reducing mistakes instead of creating plays (ie playng scared)...we didn't make a mistake on that last field goal drive against Cleveland, but they didn't make the plays necessary to win the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 If it is the concussion after more than 6 weeks, does that qualify Trent to be enshrined in the "Brittle QB Hall of What A Shame" along side of Rob Johnson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 If it is the concussion after more than 6 weeks, does that qualify Trent to be enshrined in the "Brittle QB Hall of What A Shame" along side of Rob Johnson? no just the opposite. He is toughing it out when he shouldn't. Concussions don't get better when you are playing in NFL games. sheeeesh....come on now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 It's the entire organization from the top down. Owner's decisions on GM's, GM's decisions on Head Coach and Heach Coaches decisions on staff. It's the trickle down effect. Any owner that would fire Pollian pretty much deserves what he gets after that. The fans, however, deserve better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 no just the opposite. He is toughing it out when he shouldn't. Concussions don't get better when you are playing in NFL games. sheeeesh....come on now. OK. Thanks for giving me the low down. I had heard that concussions make you act stupid, but it sounds better to say they prove you're a tough nut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavarreFL_Bills_Fan Posted November 23, 2008 Author Share Posted November 23, 2008 no just the opposite. He is toughing it out when he shouldn't. Concussions don't get better when you are playing in NFL games. sheeeesh....come on now. Plenty of time to recover from the concussion....he's just playing scared....my question is then "why don't they build his confidence back with simple plays and runs?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 Plenty of time to recover from the concussion....he's just playing scared....my question is then "why don't they build his confidence back with simple plays and runs?" Like that, you mean? Glad they cashed in on fourth-and-goal, but Schonert didn't make the bad throw on third down ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 Bills Fans, This is my first post, so bear with me. After reading all the posts, articles, and critiques of TE, one thing seems to go vastly unmentioned: We are dealing with a ROOKIE offensive coordinator. Just like experience counts with quarterbacks, experience counts with coordinators. I think the list of miscues is long enough: 1. Game prep--as TE mentions, the prep for one defense and see another 2. Outthinking themselves--spread offense on 3rd and 1's 3. Playing to opposing defense's strength--not getting into better calls when it matters....New England was obviously playing run, when we were running and playing pass when we were passing....so obvious that even the casual fan and announcers mentioned it. also, think Cleveland--shoulda been pounding it via beast mode against a weak run defense early and often. 4. Lack of creativity--think teams jumping our runs when Josh Reed goes in motion 5. Not getting it to our playmakers...Lee Evans with 0 catches comes to mind...move him around, put him in the wildcat or run a reverse...SOMETHING....instead he's the NFL's highest paid decoy. I just think too much negative credit is being pointed at TE. He is responsible for executing what is put in front of him, but the coaches are responsible for putting them advantageous situations. They are not doing that. Good post,couldn't agree more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChimp Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 Only one thing necessary to say. If Jauron has been calling the plays, or telling Turk to keep Jackson out of the running game until late in the game, then Turk gets a pass for everything but being a wussbag who listens to a stupid HC. But if Jauron has NOT been the one in charge of keeping Jackson on the sidelines instead of running the ball every other down, then Turk is the idiot. Think that's it, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenews Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 it's the OC!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarthur31 Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 Bills Fans, This is my first post, so bear with me. After reading all the posts, articles, and critiques of TE, one thing seems to go vastly unmentioned: We are dealing with a ROOKIE offensive coordinator. Just like experience counts with quarterbacks, experience counts with coordinators. I think the list of miscues is long enough: 1. Game prep--as TE mentions, the prep for one defense and see another 2. Outthinking themselves--spread offense on 3rd and 1's 3. Playing to opposing defense's strength--not getting into better calls when it matters....New England was obviously playing run, when we were running and playing pass when we were passing....so obvious that even the casual fan and announcers mentioned it. also, think Cleveland--shoulda been pounding it via beast mode against a weak run defense early and often. 4. Lack of creativity--think teams jumping our runs when Josh Reed goes in motion 5. Not getting it to our playmakers...Lee Evans with 0 catches comes to mind...move him around, put him in the wildcat or run a reverse...SOMETHING....instead he's the NFL's highest paid decoy. I just think too much negative credit is being pointed at TE. He is responsible for executing what is put in front of him, but the coaches are responsible for putting them advantageous situations. They are not doing that. How many games have you watched? Seriously. The OC has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the performance of the O-line. The reason why they went to the spread formation on OBVIOUS run plays is because those fat bastards up front can't beat their man 1 on 1 and get that yard on TWO TRIES!!!! No creativity is needed when you're in goal line situations and need to run it in the for 6. You just line up and push your man back a couple of yards. This isn't as hard as you think it is. Playoff teams do this with ease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavarreFL_Bills_Fan Posted November 24, 2008 Author Share Posted November 24, 2008 How many games have you watched? Seriously. The OC has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the performance of the O-line. The reason why they went to the spread formation on OBVIOUS run plays is because those fat bastards up front can't beat their man 1 on 1 and get that yard on TWO TRIES!!!! No creativity is needed when you're in goal line situations and need to run it in the for 6. You just line up and push your man back a couple of yards. This isn't as hard as you think it is. Playoff teams do this with ease! I've watched every game this year...just about every play. My point is we need creativity and variety throughout the game...obvious situations like goal to go is different. I'm talking more about when the announcers said "looks like the Pats are stacking against the run"...guess what, we ran it. A couple plays later, they said, "looks like the Pat's are playng the pass"...Pats dropped eight into coverage and we passed it. Also, think back to when the Browns were dropping eight into coverage...it took the Bills almost a half of football to decide and pound it against the second worst run defense in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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