SDS Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 I wished our teams sucked as bad his his teams over the past 13 years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 I wished our teams sucked as bad his his teams over the past 13 years... Well, he WAS a clown, and had to make a big change in how he dealt with his players in order to succeed in NY. He has admitted to making a conscious change in his approach. Now, had anyone known a guy like that had it in him to make a dramatic change, then I even I might have wanted him. As he was before, no thanks. I think being a whisker away from losing his job with the Giants was his wake up call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StupidNation Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Parcells said he was the best coach he ever met. That's enough for me. His teams came to play and he's a winner. I wanted him, and I was on record for wanting him on another Bills board. The guy knows the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarthur31 Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 I never understood why we never pursued John Fox better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester43 Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 i remember being mocked for saying "bring me coughlin." ah well. if he was here playing smallball like the bills do we'd probably still suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 I never understood why we never pursued John Fox better. Because when he was an assistant with the Raiders he had the guts to walk out on Al Davis in pre-season instead of putting up with Davis' BS. So either he was too strong a guy for Donahoe to hire, or Ralph didn't want a guy who walked out on Davis. Take your pick, but I'm sure it had something to do with him quitting the Raiders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWings Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Because when he was an assistant with the Raiders he had the guts to walk out on Al Davis in pre-season instead of putting up with Davis' BS. So either he was too strong a guy for Donahoe to hire, or Ralph didn't want a guy who walked out on Davis. Take your pick, but I'm sure it had something to do with him quitting the Raiders. Ummm.....John Fox worked for the Raiders? I thought he was referring to the John Fox that was the Giants' DC in Superbowl XXXV and was subsequently hired by the Panthers. Nevertheless, Donahoe did wait until after that Superbowl to interview both him and Marvin Lewis - the hot assistants back then. I think he was also the only GM to do so. Then he hired Greggo and watched Lewis & Fox go on to coach some playoff-caliber teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOR Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Coughlin was almost run out of NY last year, until their improbable late run. And the Bills never had a shot at him, not with the Giants needing a HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Ummm.....John Fox worked for the Raiders? I thought he was referring to the John Fox that was the Giants' DC in Superbowl XXXV and was subsequently hired by the Panthers. Nevertheless, Donahoe did wait until after that Superbowl to interview both him and Marvin Lewis - the hot assistants back then. I think he was also the only GM to do so. Then he hired Greggo and watched Lewis & Fox go on to coach some playoff-caliber teams. Same guy. IIRC, Donahoe's excuse for not going after Fox was that it obvious to him that Fox did not want to come to Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Can you imagine? Having a running game? The occasional succesful challenge? A modernized defense? Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWings Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Same guy. IIRC, Donahoe's excuse for not going after Fox was that it obvious to him that Fox did not want to come to Buffalo. You never know....that perception might have changed if he offered him the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Same guy. IIRC, Donahoe's excuse for not going after Fox was that it obvious to him that Fox did not want to come to Buffalo. I think you are mixing up the Fox interview up with the Lewis one. Based on the fact that TD waited until after the Super Bowl to interview these two guys, the conventional wisdom was that Lewis was almost assured of the job, based on his and TD's prior association in Pittsburgh. Lewis was also the hot commodity at the time, given the Ravens' success on the defensive side of the ball. Apparently Lewis went into the interview arrogantly and came off as feeling entitled to the job, rather than trying to win the job. TD hired Gregg instead -- after which Lewis' agent started playing the race card. Then it came out that Lewis' wife didn't want her kids growing up in Buffalo. I think that was all sour grapes. As for Fox, I am not sure why he didn't get the job. Perhaps TD was looking for someone with a more sustained track record. Gregg's Titans were coming off being the #1 defense in the league and had just been in the Super Bowl themselves the year before. Fox's Giants were more of a come-from-nowhere variety the year they lost to the Ravens in the Super Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockpile Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Same guy. IIRC, Donahoe's excuse for not going after Fox was that it obvious to him that Fox did not want to come to Buffalo. Where are you watching the game tonight? I was toying with the idea of coming east for the Jets game. I think Nikki can score some tix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Same guy. IIRC, Donahoe's excuse for not going after Fox was that it obvious to him that Fox did not want to come to Buffalo. Not to mention that guys only come dirt cheap if no one else wants them. See also: Jauron, Dick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RkFast Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Wow....give a coach a strong, deep team and a solid, well-run organization backing him and all of sudden, HE WINS! Shocker, that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 I think you are mixing up the Fox interview up with the Lewis one. Based on the fact that TD waited until after the Super Bowl to interview these two guys, the conventional wisdom was that Lewis was almost assured of the job, based on his and TD's prior association in Pittsburgh. Lewis was also the hot commodity at the time, given the Ravens' success on the defensive side of the ball. Apparently Lewis went into the interview arrogantly and came off as feeling entitled to the job, rather than trying to win the job. TD hired Gregg instead -- after which Lewis' agent started playing the race card. Then it came out that Lewis' wife didn't want her kids growing up in Buffalo. I think that was all sour grapes. As for Fox, I am not sure why he didn't get the job. Perhaps TD was looking for someone with a more sustained track record. Gregg's Titans were coming off being the #1 defense in the league and had just been in the Super Bowl themselves the year before. Fox's Giants were more of a come-from-nowhere variety the year they lost to the Ravens in the Super Bowl. Not mixing at all. A few years down the road, Donahoe had a CYA interview with either Pasquarelli or Mortenson explaining away why he hired Greggo. The Lewis (wife) story is well known, but he also aluded to another issue about Fox's lack of desire. He could have been covering for Wilson, who apparently held a grudge against Fox for quitting on Al Davis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Where are you watching the game tonight? I was toying with the idea of coming east for the Jets game. I think Nikki can score some tix. Will be watching from the comfort of home sweet home. Definitely let me know, but I should warn you that parking tix to the swamp are in greater demand than game tickets. It's no fun going there now with all that stupid construction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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