The Dean Posted November 16, 2008 Posted November 16, 2008 Tell this to someone who has memory problems. That person would be you. What you interpreted as Losman worship, back then (if you were around, back then) were posts, just like this one. But, I'm guessing that you did what you did to Losman's more recent utterances. You decided they meant things other than what was said. In your, rather feeble, mind, my refusal to trash JP = JP Worship. Now, you can't find anything that resembles that, because it was never there to begin with.
keepthefaith Posted November 16, 2008 Posted November 16, 2008 Not at all.I don't care about the circumstances, because there might be only 4 or 5 teams good enough to win with Losman at QB. And teams like that will have no part of him. Losman might find a situation that is marginally better than Buffalo, but he will not be picked up by one of the leagues better teams, which is what he would need to hang on. You've still missed it. I'm simply saying that JP (IMO) may well be in a better situation than Trent next year. What I mean is a better coaching situation. Does anyone on this board really believe that this current coaching staff is capable of developing a QB and putting effective offensive game plans together from week to week? Does anyone think that Buffalo is a good place for a young QB to spend their early NFL learning years with this current staff? Not that every other franchise is better, but on this subject, Buffalo has to rank near the bottom.
murra Posted November 16, 2008 Posted November 16, 2008 Thanks Judge Murra. I saw the game and JP did give momentum on a scoring drive, no doubt, but I was pointing out he wasn't a rookie, and he didn't have a great game. ...I can't read past that. You admit he brought momentum, and won a game he did not prepare to start. You're right. I guess he sucks. Winning just isn't good enough these days.
Flbillsfan#1 Posted November 16, 2008 Posted November 16, 2008 It was Losman's 2nd year, not his rookie year. Your rookie year is not the year you start, but the year you get drafted. 2nd, Trent Green threw 3 picks that game, Holcomb threw 4 for 6 for 25 yards and Losman came in and went 9 for 16 for 137 yards. Yes, I know he threw 2 TDs, but those numbers suck. Imagine Trent with 137 yards or the combined total of 185 yards while the D got 3 INTs? This board would be asking what is problem is and why we didn't score more than 14 points. Last time I checked I would take Evans, Moulds, and Campell for Evans, Parrish, and Royal. Losman sucks, always has, and I don't know if always will, but the odds are against him ever starting with his mental process of the game. There is only one game where I watched him be dominant as a QB and really "win" a game, and that was the Cinci game last year. He looked like an NFL QB for one game. He's not consistent enough to consider him a starter. Trent is heads and shoulders above JP, and it's not even close. My mistake it was JP's 2nd year. I have seen people calling Trent a ROOKIE THIS YEAR however. Next time make sure you CORRECT them. Games are won by scoring POINTS, not by yardage. JP scored TWO TD's in that game. Trent so far has 7 TD's for the YEAR. Trent is not looking any more consistent or better than JP so far. By the way I have that KC game on DVD if anyone wants a copy PM me.
Stenbar Posted November 16, 2008 Posted November 16, 2008 Again, check the opponent's records and the quality of the team around each. Thank you. The excuses never cease to amaze me 2006 first half average 15.5 points a game and second half 22 points a game. If I remember correctly we open it up the second half .Also I know we lost 9 games that year but we lost to N.E by 2 points.Det by 3 points,Ind. the Superbowl champs by 1 point,S.D. by 3 and Tenn. by 1 point.If Royal kept both feet in bounds in the endzone againts Tenn. we might be in the playoffs. Another classic..If..If JP hadnt choked on the two minute drive ..Blah Blah Blah I actually agree with the idea of starting Losman right now, or at least keeping Trent on a short leash. Despite what he has said, I don't think he is okay following the concussion. He is slow making reads, hanging out too long in collapsing pockets and losing track of defenders. He has no help of course, but he has looked so much better pre-concussion vs. post concussion. The organization can avoid a QB controversy if they make JP only a temporary measure while they do further testing on Trent's noggin. Something isn't right there and it's killing us. Stop the insanity now please Losman couldn't read the instructions on a can of soup. Youre giving him too much credit Look, Losman has not been a good NFL QB, but he has been a terrific NFL citizen. He has, perhaps, made two or three statements, in his entire time with the Bills, that might be considered questionable. But, a big mouth? NEVER. Trust me, JP is not ever going to say "When I made this comment, I really was saying this..." So, let's just assume I will never be proved wrong, about the above. Do I think JP is walking the walk, although he is unhappy as a backup? Of COURSE he is. The other option is to speak his mind...THEN he would be a big mouth. But, JP hasn't played well enough in the NFL to spout off, and he knows it. He probably thinks he got screwed in his time here (I tend to agree), but he still didn't play well enough to keep his job. He may say some stuff after he leaves, I doubt it will be as bad as many players have done, though. My guess is, he stays outwardly classy, as he always has. Calling someone JP big mouth for what you believe he is really thinking, while he is saying all the right things is a very bizarre definition of a "big mouth".. Big mouths actually say what they think, ya mook. Dean if JP said what he wanted to he would maybe cost himself a second chance a t a starting job in the NFL..Dont call him a choir boy yet..Lets see what happens when he leaves.I got a feeling we will see a different side.. I think if we won a game and Edwards threw 137 yds and 2 t.d.s on 9 com.we all be happy.Because I'm a Bills fan first.Thats more than 10 yds a com.Why would you be unhappy with that? I would but I saw enough of the 200 and under passing games from JP to realize you dont win many games like that...
Bill from NYC Posted November 16, 2008 Posted November 16, 2008 The excuses never cease to amaze me Another classic..If..If JP hadnt choked on the two minute drive ..Blah Blah Blah Stop the insanity now please Youre giving him too much credit Dean if JP said what he wanted to he would maybe cost himself a second chance a t a starting job in the NFL..Dont call him a choir boy yet..Lets see what happens when he leaves.I got a feeling we will see a different side.. I would but I saw enough of the 200 and under passing games from JP to realize you dont win many games like that... Amazing. It is like the JP fanboys have been hiding in a cave, waiting for the Bills to lose a couple of games so they can come out and defend a guy who is to the quarterback position what Dick Jauron is to head coaching. Sadly, JP is even statistically worse. Yeah....I would rather have Jauron as a coach than Losman as my starting quarterback. That says a lot. It would be a lot funnier were it not so bizarre.
Stenbar Posted November 16, 2008 Posted November 16, 2008 Amazing. It is like the JP fanboys have been hiding in a cave, waiting for the Bills to lose a couple of games so they can come out and defend a guy who is to the quarterback position what Dick Jauron is to head coaching. Sadly, JP is even statistically worse. Yeah....I would rather have Jauron as a coach than Losman as my starting quarterback. That says a lot. It would be a lot funnier were it not so bizarre. Its like were stuck in auto lose mode..Hey I am in love with no qb that sucks..If Trent turns out to be crap move on..If there is a better option go to it..I am sick of watching this team suck..I am sick of being sold a bill of goods every year only to watch it fall apart..The qb position has been a joke here since Kelly and I am as sick of watching crap play at that position as much as anyone..I spent thousands onKelly club seats for 2 contracts, I have spent countless sundays since in a frustrating stupor..I just want to watch this team freaking win and to put JP in would be the icing on the cake for me..Every time he is in I know I will see the same crap..He started to get better then once they brought in a Qb thta threatened his spot he folded like bad poker hand..Move on find another player to put your favorite staus in or whatever..Jump on the Lee Evans jock strap at least you know he will play well but get off the JP wagon it has many broken wheels and needs to be retired...
The Dean Posted November 16, 2008 Posted November 16, 2008 Dean if JP said what he wanted to he would maybe cost himself a second chance a t a starting job in the NFL..Dont call him a choir boy yet..Lets see what happens when he leaves.I got a feeling we will see a different side.. I don't disagree with that...in fact I think I suggested that. My point it that he has NOT been a big mouth (he also has also not been a good QB, for most of his time in the NFL). Calling him a big mouth for what he wants to, but doesn't, say, is to make "big mouth" meaningless.
Stenbar Posted November 16, 2008 Posted November 16, 2008 I don't disagree with that...in fact I think I suggested that. My point it that he has NOT been a big mouth (he also has also not been a good QB, for most of his time in the NFL). Calling him a big mouth for what he wants to, but doesn't, say, is to make "big mouth" meaningless. I agree with you...Too much name calling for a guy who got bad coaching and put in a spot he wasnt ready for with bad talent and bad coaching..
TheKing Posted November 16, 2008 Posted November 16, 2008 You've still missed it. I'm simply saying that JP (IMO) may well be in a better situation than Trent next year. What I mean is a better coaching situation. Does anyone on this board really believe that this current coaching staff is capable of developing a QB and putting effective offensive game plans together from week to week? Does anyone think that Buffalo is a good place for a young QB to spend their early NFL learning years with this current staff? Not that every other franchise is better, but on this subject, Buffalo has to rank near the bottom. I agree. I'm not at all impressed with the offense. But the defense is so bad that it might be a case where they are attempting to control the ball and run the clock. Difficult to do when you can't run the ball.
TheKing Posted November 16, 2008 Posted November 16, 2008 Is this thread really at 13 pages? Yes it is, and here is some more, because I need to set these Losman fans straight. I agree with you...Too much name calling for a guy who got bad coaching and put in a spot he wasnt ready for with bad talent and bad coaching.. Losman clearly insinuated that he is on the bench because his effectiveness was limited by the play calling. And he went on to say ... "it's not Trent's fault that things are the way they are" There is no mistaking that this is a weasel's way of saying....I should be the starter but I was screwed over by the poor play calling. When Losman says...."it's not Trent's fault that things are the way they are", he IS WRONG, it IS Trents fault, Trent intended it to be that way, he intended to beat Losman out of the job. That is what Edwards was brought in here for in the first place. They didn't draft Edwards because they were looking for a backup for Losman. They were looking to find a new starter long before the play calling that Losman feels put him out of a job even took place!
Stenbar Posted November 16, 2008 Posted November 16, 2008 Losman clearly insinuated that he is on the bench because his effectiveness was limited by the play calling.And he went on to say ... "it's not Trent's fault that things are the way they are" The is no mistaking that this is a weasel's way of saying....I should be the starter but I was screwed over by the poor play calling. When Losman said...."it's not Trent's fault that things are the way they are", he IS WRONG, it IS Trents fault, Trent intended it to be that way, he intended to beat Losman out of the job.That is what Edwards was brought in here for in the first place. They didn't draft Edwards because they were looking for a backup for Losman. They were looking to find a new starter long before the play calling that Losman feels put him out of a job even took place! Cream always rises to the top
VOR Posted November 16, 2008 Posted November 16, 2008 The excuses never cease to amaze me Oh, the irony. The Bills have gone 0-3 the past 3 weeks, against division opponents. Trent has thrown 2 TD's, 5 INT's, and fumbled 3 times. But replacing him isn't the answer despite JP having a better season in 2006 with less talent around him. Okay, got it.
TheKing Posted November 16, 2008 Posted November 16, 2008 Oh, the irony. The Bills have gone 0-3 the past 3 weeks, against division opponents. Trent has thrown 2 TD's, 5 INT's, and fumbled 3 times. But replacing him isn't the answer despite JP having a better season in 2006 with less talent around him. Okay, got it. 2006???? You better start to get current. It's 2008 and Losman is less than 8 weeks from being a former Buffalo Bill.
VOR Posted November 16, 2008 Posted November 16, 2008 2006????You better start to get current. It's 2008 and Losman is less than 8 weeks from being a former Buffalo Bill. Yeah, that's what sucks about the whole situation. Trent is playing like crap and JP is gone at the end of the year. It's a no-win situation unless somehow Trent gets it together NOW, or the rest of the offense picks-up their level of play to compensate (hmmm, where have we heard THAT before?). If the Bills were out of the playoff hunt, I'd say stick with Trent and let him use the rest of the season to show whether he's the man or if the Bills need to find a new QB. But since they aren't out of it yet, they need to do whatever they can to try and win games. If that means benching Trent and seeing what JP can do, so be it. I don't know what "Trent fanboys" are so afraid of? Is his ego that fragile?
TheKing Posted November 16, 2008 Posted November 16, 2008 Yeah, that's what sucks about the whole situation. Trent is playing like crap and JP is gone at the end of the year. It's a no-win situation unless somehow Trent gets it together NOW, or the rest of the offense picks-up their level of play to compensate (hmmm, where have we heard THAT before?). If the Bills were out of the playoff hunt, I'd say stick with Trent and let him use the rest of the season to show whether he's the man or if the Bills need to find a new QB. But since they aren't out of it yet, they need to do whatever they can to try and win games. If that means benching Trent and seeing what JP can do, so be it. I don't know what "Trent fanboys" are so afraid of? Is his ego that fragile? Wait a minute. Are you forgetting that Losman has already proven that he is garbage? Since when is Losman going to win more than he loses?
VOR Posted November 16, 2008 Posted November 16, 2008 Wait a minute.Are you forgetting that Losman has already proven that he is garbage? Since when is Losman going to win more than he loses? What has Trent been proving these past 3 weeks? "You better start to get current."
TheKing Posted November 16, 2008 Posted November 16, 2008 What has Trent been proving these past 3 weeks? "You better start to get current." They wanted to say that Losman was still a rookie in his 4th year. Now suddenly a 3 game skid should get a QB the hook.
VOR Posted November 16, 2008 Posted November 16, 2008 They wanted to say that Losman was still a rookie in his 4th year.Now suddenly a 3 game skid should get a QB the hook. No one said "Losman was still a rookie in his 4th year." And if Trent were playing well during the 3 game skid, he shouldn't get the hook. But he's got 2 TD's, 5 INT's, and 3 fumbles.
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