OCinBuffalo Posted November 5, 2008 Posted November 5, 2008 ...a holes to be tolerated, as in the Democrats after 2000, and pretty much the last 8 years, who cannot get over the results of an election. Obama it OUR President. Everybody's, and he at least deserves a fair hearing, and a fair shot at managing most the problems we face. Exactly nothing will be served by doing what the far-left has done for the last 8 years. We need to support what Obama thinks, for now. Obviously, if he screws up, then he faces the consequences. But, that is for 3 years from now, not starting tomorrow and going on every day until then. We simply can't afford more of this partisan bickering, and even worse: bad, weakly formed ideas that result from weak-minded compromise. And, now the Democrats have no excuses left. The Senate and House, MUST get things done. The days of blaming everybody else for their failure or inactivity are officially over as of today. Their approval rating has been, is, and will continue to be worse than GWB's from 2006 until the end of this term. They are easily the worst Congress we have ever had. To reasonable Democrats(I don't waste time with far-left people, other than to make fun of them/expose their stupidity): I don't want to hear the whining about not having 60 senators. If your policies are sound, you should have no trouble convincing a few Republicans. If your policies are stupid, you won't get anything done. But, now your party will pay the price if nothing continues to get done. I hope you recognize this status change, you're hosed for the next 20 years if you don't. Finally: The Democrats have been telling us that "If only we were in charge..." rather than, "here's the modifications I want to the current Republican plan..." for the last 8 years. They have not compromised, they have bitched. They have said that this was because they can't compromise with foolishness. OK. Fair enough. Now it's time to see what the supposed opposite of foolishness is...good luck! We need to get things right and quick! Because, like I said, fair warning: all you have done is complain about not having power, and have justified that because W was so bad. Well, now you have the power, he's leaving, and there's no one left to blame if you fail. Thank God at least one thing can no longer be justified: Excuses by Democrats. I am not sure whether I expect Democrats to recognize this and deal with it, or if I expect them to continue making excuses for failure. I really don't know. Edit: Lord know the media will have no shortage of excuses, just like they did for Clinton from 1992-4, if Obama steps on his crank. But we know BS when we see it, so it won't matter.
Wacka Posted November 5, 2008 Posted November 5, 2008 I think Obama might be the Anti-Christ. Has anyone looked for the 666 ? We know it's not Biden because we had a good look at his scalp before the hairplugs.
DC Tom Posted November 5, 2008 Posted November 5, 2008 I don't support Obama. I support the Constitution, and the country. I'll praise Obama when he does well, and hammer him when he's stupid...but don't ever mistake me for supporting the man or the office over the country.
Peter Posted November 5, 2008 Posted November 5, 2008 I hope that he does well. I hope that he learned from Clinton's mistakes in his first two years. If he governs at the center (where most people are in this country), he could be very successful. It was an historic election. It says a lot about this country. As a republican who thinks that W was one of the worst presidents in the history of the United States, I wish Obama well. He certainly would be hard pressed to be worse than W. He has a chance to be great if he governs at the center.
murra Posted November 5, 2008 Posted November 5, 2008 This thread is hypocritical. And for the record, I'm not going to cry about it, that's not the correct response to losing a country. If the fairness doctrine gets passed, I will try to do something about it. Not cry. This is my country we're talking about, and we just put a damn socialist in control.
erynthered Posted November 5, 2008 Posted November 5, 2008 This thread is hypocritical. And for the record, I'm not going to cry about it, that's not the correct response to losing a country. If the fairness doctrine gets passed, I will try to do something about it. Not cry. This is my country we're talking about, and we just put a damn socialist in control. oBama's going to !@#$ up, all presidents do. What will be interesting will be the Left wing loony kool aid drinkers on this board defending him. I just hope our Country and its citizens arent hurt in this by oBama's inexperience.
OCinBuffalo Posted November 5, 2008 Author Posted November 5, 2008 This thread is hypocritical. And for the record, I'm not going to cry about it, that's not the correct response to losing a country. If the fairness doctrine gets passed, I will try to do something about it. Not cry. This is my country we're talking about, and we just put a damn socialist in control. How exactly? Most of what I have been doing since I have been here is telling the far-left people here that they are largely full of it, and that not everything bad that has happened is Bush's fault, which is true. All they have been doing is whitewashing everything, including me, and justifying it because they lost in 2000. Obama has portrayed himself as a centrist. You may not believe him, but he deserves the chance to prove it at least. He also deserves, as DC_Tom has said, the respect of the office. The same respect that Bush deserved, and did not get, from the loons that frequent this board and elsewhere. You may think that it's not fair, and I would agree, but we can only control what we do, not what idiots do. There's no reason for us to speak/act at their level. So, here's an opportunity for you to show them how a classy, mature and reasonable person responds when his or her candidate loses, they could certainly benefit from your example. I certainly don't feel I have lost anything, except, hopefully a vast range of excuses. Yes, I do feel liberated from all the excuses I have had to listen to for the past 2 years re: the worst Congress in the history of the country.
IDBillzFan Posted November 5, 2008 Posted November 5, 2008 I don't support Obama. I support the Constitution, and the country. I'll praise Obama when he does well, and hammer him when he's stupid...but don't ever mistake me for supporting the man or the office over the country. Most righteous post ever.
murra Posted November 5, 2008 Posted November 5, 2008 So, here's an opportunity for you to show them how a classy, mature and reasonable person responds when his or her candidate loses, they could certainly benefit from your example. People who hated Bush when he initially won had little to go off of other than being upset that Gore lost. This is not the same. I was not in it for McCain to win so much as I was hoping Obama would lose. You call that negativism or whatever, and you say he's claimed to be centrist or whatever and give him a chance. That's fine. That's what you can do then. Wait for the first !@#$ up. I, on the other hand, will make sure the country knows its gotten out of hand and that in 4 years we need to put a real president in office. Let me ask you this, when the people of America vote irrationally for the word "change," are you not scared? The premise of nearly every non-incumbent is to run for change. Some people knew very little beyond that, and cast there vote. Are you okay with that?
YellowLinesandArmadillos Posted November 5, 2008 Posted November 5, 2008 People who hated Bush when he initially won had little to go off of other than being upset that Gore lost. This is not the same. I was not in it for McCain to win so much as I was hoping Obama would lose. You call that negativism or whatever, and you say he's claimed to be centrist or whatever and give him a chance. That's fine. That's what you can do then. Wait for the first !@#$ up. I, on the other hand, will make sure the country knows its gotten out of hand and that in 4 years we need to put a real president in office. Let me ask you this, when the people of America vote irrationally for the word "change," are you not scared? The premise of nearly every non-incumbent is to run for change. Some people knew very little beyond that, and cast there vote. Are you okay with that? Just more of your scare and fear drivel, not saying I didn't do it when the shoe was on the other foot, but that is what it is. We shall see. So you are actually rooting against this guy's success? Now that is UnAmerican. I hoped Bush would succeed. I always did for the good of this country, but I didn't believe in his policies.
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted November 5, 2008 Posted November 5, 2008 This thread is hypocritical. And for the record, I'm not going to cry about it, that's not the correct response to losing a country. If the fairness doctrine gets passed, I will try to do something about it. Not cry. This is my country we're talking about, and we just put a damn socialist in control. So in 4 years' time, if Obama has proven himself to not be a socialist, and we not living under a socialist regime, will you admit that you were wrong? Let's say hypothetically that things are better in 4 years. The stock market is way up. There is peace in Iraq and our troops have been withdrawn. The US dollar is again strong against other currencies. There is more money in your pocket. America's education system is better. The poverty rate is lower. If things are like that, will you admit you were wrong and re-elect Obama?
murra Posted November 5, 2008 Posted November 5, 2008 Just more of your scare and fear drivel, not saying I didn't do it when the shoe was on the other foot, but that is what it is. We shall see. So you are actually rooting against this guy's success? Now that is UnAmerican. I hoped Bush would succeed. I always did for the good of this country, but I didn't believe in his policies. If Obama has "success" in his own mind, then it will be unamerican. In not wanting him to "succeed" in his little agenda, I'm hardly being unamerican.
outsidethebox Posted November 5, 2008 Posted November 5, 2008 I for one will be rooting for him to succeed, since I have a vested interest in his success. Being a citizen of the greatest country this world has ever seen, I hope nothing but the best for our new President and his family. This election is over and I am man enough to congratulate the winner and his followers. Here's to 4 years of prosperity for all of us in this great country!
DC Tom Posted November 6, 2008 Posted November 6, 2008 So in 4 years' time, if Obama has proven himself to not be a socialist, and we not living under a socialist regime, will you admit that you were wrong? Let's say hypothetically that things are better in 4 years. The stock market is way up. There is peace in Iraq and our troops have been withdrawn. The US dollar is again strong against other currencies. There is more money in your pocket. America's education system is better. The poverty rate is lower. If things are like that, will you admit you were wrong and re-elect Obama? You know, that's an interesting topic of discussion: "What would you consider a successful Obama administration?" Off the top of my head, in no particular order: Normalized relations with Iran A stable Iraqi government (with real authority, not just a US puppet) A non-nuclear North Korea At LEAST no worsening of the Afghanistan/Pakistan conflict No "universal health care", but increased funding to public health A reduced federal budget, with no deficit spending. I'd like to give it more thought...like I said, that's off the top of my head. But if he accomplished even half of that (and the last two, he wouldn't even consider. The last ONE is the main reason I didn't vote for him), I'd consider him a competent president.
StupidNation Posted November 6, 2008 Posted November 6, 2008 You know, that's an interesting topic of discussion: "What would you consider a successful Obama administration?" Off the top of my head, in no particular order: Normalized relations with Iran A stable Iraqi government (with real authority, not just a US puppet) A non-nuclear North Korea At LEAST no worsening of the Afghanistan/Pakistan conflict No "universal health care", but increased funding to public health A reduced federal budget, with no deficit spending. I'd like to give it more thought...like I said, that's off the top of my head. But if he accomplished even half of that (and the last two, he wouldn't even consider. The last ONE is the main reason I didn't vote for him), I'd consider him a competent president. I find that list to be accurate although I would like to add renewed diplomacy with Russia who is becoming a problem because of Bush's stance towards them.
DC Tom Posted November 6, 2008 Posted November 6, 2008 I find that list to be accurate although I would like to add renewed diplomacy with Russia who is becoming a problem because of Bush's stance towards them. Diplomacy has never stopped with Russia. There's nothing to "renew". Russia has a historical sphere of influence in Eastern Europe. We've been, for some time now, pursuing closer ties with Eastern Europe. Russia wants us to stop peeing in their pool. Can't really say I blame them...but Obama basically can handle this in one of two ways: pursue even closer ties with Eastern Europe and let the Russians pound sand (the Bush policy - can't say I'm particularly against it), or back of from our existing strategic, economic, and political agreements with Eastern Europe and appease the Russians. I really have no idea which way the Obama administration would go on this. If you forced me to bet, right now, on what I'd expect...I'd think Obama would be more likely to take the second option, for two reasons: it gives the US a leg up on the Iranian nuclear issue, and it's more consistent with the Democratic party's "Clintonian" foreign policy heritage. But there's no real "renewal" to diplomacy with Russia - it never really stopped (and what did stop was more on the Russian's initiative than ours). There's only a choice as to if we value our Eastern European allies more than we do Russian placidity.
In-A-Gadda-Levitre Posted November 6, 2008 Posted November 6, 2008 I for one will be rooting for him to succeed, since I have a vested interest in his success. Being a citizen of the greatest country this world has ever seen, I hope nothing but the best for our new President and his family. This election is over and I am man enough to congratulate the winner and his followers. Here's to 4 years of prosperity for all of us in this great country! wow,
In-A-Gadda-Levitre Posted November 6, 2008 Posted November 6, 2008 Diplomacy has never stopped with Russia. There's nothing to "renew". Russia has a historical sphere of influence in Eastern Europe. We've been, for some time now, pursuing closer ties with Eastern Europe. Russia wants us to stop peeing in their pool. Can't really say I blame them...but Obama basically can handle this in one of two ways: pursue even closer ties with Eastern Europe and let the Russians pound sand (the Bush policy - can't say I'm particularly against it), or back of from our existing strategic, economic, and political agreements with Eastern Europe and appease the Russians. I really have no idea which way the Obama administration would go on this. If you forced me to bet, right now, on what I'd expect...I'd think Obama would be more likely to take the second option, for two reasons: it gives the US a leg up on the Iranian nuclear issue, and it's more consistent with the Democratic party's "Clintonian" foreign policy heritage. But there's no real "renewal" to diplomacy with Russia - it never really stopped (and what did stop was more on the Russian's initiative than ours). There's only a choice as to if we value our Eastern European allies more than we do Russian placidity. let's just say there have been periods of bad and better relationships with Russia, and right now we're in one of those bad ones due to their Putin muscle flexing, Georgia, Ukraine, NATO, Poland, etc. If I understand StupidNation right, he's saying let's get back to a better diplomatic standing between us. I don't disagree with your two scenarios, but I'm guessing Obama will play the middle ground. He will continue to court allies in former soviet satellites and try to appease Russia in some ways, like move the anti-missile system to Israel or someplace out of Russia's backyard, as an example.
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