The Obama infomercial

[IDBillzFan]

Only to people that wish to distort what he says.

 

But Joe doesn't filter his own words enough that people can't distort them. He does have the dreaded foot in mouth disease. That is a problem.

You call it a problem. I call it one of the few things I'm looking forward to for the next four years. :lol:

[Kelly the Dog]

How can 95% get a tax break when 40% DON"T EVEN PAY ANY TAXES??????

BECAUSE THEY DO PAY TAXES. Payroll taxes that come out of their checks. SS taxes. Money that they made that they already paid to the government.

[elegantelliotoffen]

How can 95% get a tax break when 40% DON"T EVEN PAY ANY TAXES??????

 

They don't?

[/dev/null]

BECAUSE THEY DO PAY TAXES. Payroll taxes that come out of their checks. SS taxes. Money that they made that they already paid to the government.

 

So if they don't have to pay SS taxes do they still get to collect SS when they turn 65?

[In-A-Gadda-Levitre]

I don't know. In one speech it's $250K. In another speech it's $200K. And I don't know why they hell they let Biden speak about this when he can't even count to four.

 

Oh, and all candidates are tested, but Biden "guaranteed" the crisis. He guarantfreakinteed it to people who actually paid $1,000 a head to hear him tell them this. There's a difference between being tested, and KNOWING, WITHOUT QUESTION, that something is going to happen, but not tell people how to protect themselves.

 

That's reckless and irresponsible.

ok, I hear you on that and I've said before that is something stupid that the campaign does; sometimes use $250K and sometimes use $200K depending on the context. This campaign is very well run, from a "stay on message" standpoint, but this is an example where they could do a lot better.

 

Anyone who has heard Joe Biden over the years knows he constantly says dumb stuff, and doesn't know when to shut up. That was wrong, and I'm sure he wishes he could take it back. Dana Milbank had a pretty funny column about the King of the Rhetorical Jungle.

[Kelly the Dog]

You call it a problem. I call it one of the few things I'm looking forward to for the next four years. :lol:

There's no doubt it's going to be funny. The problem is, unfortunately, we probably won't get to see Biden as much as we'd like to. (He'll be too busy being in charge of the Senate and changing policy there if he wishes to).

[Kelly the Dog]

So if they don't have to pay SS taxes do they still get to collect SS when they turn 65?

You don't know how the US tax system works either? I always thought you were pretty smart, you just chose to be snarky.

[In-A-Gadda-Levitre]

Only to people that wish to distort what he says.

 

But Joe doesn't filter his own words enough that people can't distort them. He does have the dreaded foot in mouth disease. That is a problem.

yeah, but even the-media-that's-in-the-tank-for-The-Messiah (politico, cnn, etc.) thought he was talking about Obama's tax plan at the time. I think we're saying the same thing, his choice of words gets him in trouble...

[Johnny Coli]

Obviously the only people hearing this message are people who don't agree with his policies because the man can say ANTHING at this point and his supporters, like yourself, will follow him into the ocean.

Well you've just intimated that I and the people that are voting for Obama are stupid, shiftless lemmings, so tell me and everyone else who will be voting for him in a few days why we should vote for your guy, McCain. You and others, and McCain himself, have repeatedly tried to tear down Obama, ridicule his supporters and misrepresent his plans, policies and vision, all without actually mentioning what McCain's platform is. So, tell us all why we should vote for McCain instead of Obama. Do you have any idea what McCain is planning? Do we even know what his vision outside of bombing Iran and trying to label (unsuccessfully) Obama as a terrorist/socialist/muslim is? Are you only voting for McCain because your taxes might go up a couple hundred bucks under Obama? Can you actually make a case for McCain without parroting a platform of fear?

[Chef Jim]

Point well taken... than since he can't fire them he should give them a square kick in the nuts.

 

Now you're talkin'. That Palin guy should be first in line.

[Chef Jim]

That's a very good post and articulation of your beliefs, and it's just as fair a POV as mine and Obama's. You may be more right, in fact. Who knows. It's just an opinion, and a way of looking at things. One thing people tend to overlook, is that whether you agree or disagree with the idea that people making 250K+ should pay 36% or 39%, it doesn't mean one choice is utterly awesome and the other is criminally stupid. For me, I understand both sides, I just agree more with the 39% argument. Like a 55 for-45 against thing.

 

Actually, his stump speech on the campaign trail does indeed end with a message to people to "live within your means" rather than "the government will take care of you as long as you vote me in again" mantra.

 

Here'e what I want you to do next year. Don't have them take any taxes out of your income next year. I want you, on April 15th of 2010 to write a check for your taxes. Look at that check, admire it for it's size. That will put your taxes into perspective. Half of my income comes in the form of 1099 and I don't pay estimated taxes because I make more money in interest off that money than the "penalty" for not paying my estimated taxes. When you write a check for $20,000 to the US treasury it just boggles the mind and that's only on half my income, the other half is W-2 and I have them withhold 20% on that. I am not rich by any stretch of the imagination. I live in a modest home my wife drives a Scion and I bring my lunch to work every day. When you have to write a check of that size on top of what they've already taken out you just shake your head. What the hell to I get in return for all that money? And they want more. Are you !@#$ing kidding me?

[IDBillzFan]

Well you've just intimated that I and the people that are voting for Obama are stupid, shiftless lemmings, so tell me and everyone else who will be voting for him in a few days why we should vote for your guy, McCain. You and others, and McCain himself, have repeatedly tried to tear down Obama, ridicule his supporters and misrepresent his plans, policies and vision, all without actually mentioning what McCain's platform is. So, tell us all why we should vote for McCain instead of Obama. Do you have any idea what McCain is planning? Do we even know what his vision outside of bombing Iran and trying to label (unsuccessfully) Obama as a terrorist/socialist/muslim is? Are you only voting for McCain because your taxes might go up a couple hundred bucks under Obama? Can you actually make a case for McCain without parroting a platform of fear?

You can't appreciate McCain without ripping apart Obama because Obama doesn't give a shiit about me. He thinks I owe the people, as he says, "behind" me. So forgive me for spending most of my time calling him out for that god-awful approach to the economy. I employ people. I give them health insurance. I give them retirement plans. I donate. I volunteer. The very moment he starts taking MORE of my money simply because he wants to pay it forward, guess what I and everyone like me will do? Cut bennies, cut staff, raise prices and reduce my donations because, let's face it, he's going to take care of that for me. So that's a stupid, stupid plan. But it will get him elected by the people who look forward to no longer having to pay their gas bill or mortgage.

 

McCain has a lot of positive points. First and foremost, he's not Obama. He gets my vote for that alone. Second of all, he will not raise my taxes, and he won't just hand out freebies to people who sit on their ass all day hoping their next scratcher will get them by. Third, he will have a stronger approach with international relations. I understand how much you and Obama don't like the world resenting us. I could give a rat's ass what the world thinks of us. If the world doesn't like us, they can stop sneaking in here and sucking up our !@#$ing resources, and just go about their own business without us. We're fighting a war right now, and McCain will handle that A WHOLE lot better than Obama, who simply wants to tuck tail and run while he has tea and crumpets with the countries who have a problem with our way of life. To me, McCain = military strength, Obama = military pussssie, especially with the long list of cuts he proposes, INCLUDING the end of developing futuristic weapons. WTF? You think the rest of the !@#$ing world is going to stop just because Obama has asked them. He's so !@#$ing naive to the ways of the world that if the economy wasn't tanking right now he'd be sucking hind tit.

 

That said, McCain has problems. He's not conservative enough for me. I think he's too quick to reach across the aisle. His $300 gzillion mortgage bailout plan pisses me off. He needs to start drilling big !@#$ing holes and finding the goddamn oil. And he needs to ensure that he truly cuts spending because while it sounds good to "shut down all spending," it's impossible to do, and we both know that. But we MUST cut spending, and I'd rather that be left in the hands of McCain than what will inevitably be the perfect shiitstorm of Obama-Pelosi-Reid, the latter two who are !@#$ing criminals that should be put in prison for the rest of their natural born lives.

 

And just for the record, if Obama didn't have SO MANY questions about his history and integrity, people wouldn't spend so much time questioning it.

[KD in CA]

That's a very good post and articulation of your beliefs, and it's just as fair a POV as mine and Obama's. You may be more right, in fact. Who knows. It's just an opinion, and a way of looking at things. One thing people tend to overlook, is that whether you agree or disagree with the idea that people making 250K+ should pay 36% or 39%, it doesn't mean one choice is utterly awesome and the other is criminally stupid. For me, I understand both sides, I just agree more with the 39% argument. Like a 55 for-45 against thing.

Fair enough. I guess I'm 60/40 the other way.

 

Actually, his stump speech on the campaign trail does indeed end with a message to people to "live within your means" rather than "the government will take care of you as long as you vote me in again" mantra.

I hope he means it. There are things I do like about the guy and will be hopeful that he really does bring something else to the table if he closes this election out as expected.

[Johnny Coli]

You can't appreciate McCain without ripping apart Obama because Obama doesn't give a shiit about me. He thinks I owe the people, as he says, "behind" me. So forgive me for spending most of my time calling him out for that god-awful approach to the economy. I employ people. I give them health insurance. I give them retirement plans. I donate. I volunteer. The very moment he starts taking MORE of my money simply because he wants to pay it forward, guess what I and everyone like me will do? Cut bennies, cut staff, raise prices and reduce my donations because, let's face it, he's going to take care of that for me. So that's a stupid, stupid plan. But it will get him elected by the people who look forward to no longer having to pay their gas bill or mortgage.

 

McCain has a lot of positive points. First and foremost, he's not Obama. He gets my vote for that alone. Second of all, he will not raise my taxes, and he won't just hand out freebies to people who sit on their ass all day hoping their next scratcher will get them by. Third, he will have a stronger approach with international relations. I understand how much you and Obama don't like the world resenting us. I could give a rat's ass what the world thinks of us. If the world doesn't like us, they can stop sneaking in here and sucking up our !@#$ing resources, and just go about their own business without us. We're fighting a war right now, and McCain will handle that A WHOLE lot better than Obama, who simply wants to tuck tail and run while he has tea and crumpets with the countries who have a problem with our way of life. To me, McCain = military strength, Obama = military pussssie, especially with the long list of cuts he proposes, INCLUDING the end of developing futuristic weapons. WTF? You think the rest of the !@#$ing world is going to stop just because Obama has asked them. He's so !@#$ing naive to the ways of the world that if the economy wasn't tanking right now he'd be sucking hind tit.

 

That said, McCain has problems. He's not conservative enough for me. I think he's too quick to reach across the aisle. His $300 gzillion mortgage bailout plan pisses me off. He needs to start drilling big !@#$ing holes and finding the goddamn oil. And he needs to ensure that he truly cuts spending because while it sounds good to "shut down all spending," it's impossible to do, and we both know that. But we MUST cut spending, and I'd rather that be left in the hands of McCain than what will inevitably be the perfect shiitstorm of Obama-Pelosi-Reid, the latter two who are !@#$ing criminals that should be put in prison for the rest of their natural born lives.

 

And just for the record, if Obama didn't have SO MANY questions about his history and integrity, people wouldn't spend so much time questioning it.

So basically you could have answered my question with "No, I can't make a case for McCain without parroting a platform of fear, or ripping on Obama using McCain's smears." You mention Obama more in your post than you do your own candidate.

[Kelly the Dog]

Here'e what I want you to do next year. Don't have them take any taxes out of your income next year. I want you, on April 15th of 2010 to write a check for your taxes. Look at that check, admire it for it's size. That will put your taxes into perspective. Half of my income comes in the form of 1099 and I don't pay estimated taxes because I make more money in interest off that money than the "penalty" for not paying my estimated taxes. When you write a check for $20,000 to the US treasury it just boggles the mind and that's only on half my income, the other half is W-2 and I have them withhold 20% on that. I am not rich by any stretch of the imagination. I live in a modest home my wife drives a Scion and I bring my lunch to work every day. When you have to write a check of that size on top of what they've already taken out you just shake your head. What the hell to I get in return for all that money? And they want more. Are you !@#$ing kidding me?

You get to live in the greatest country in the world, in a place as beautiful as Southern California, with more freedom to do and say whatever the fukk you want than any place on earth, the ability to change jobs in the middle of your career, choose any profession you feel like, have more chance of success and unlimited success than anywhere on earth, the most diversity, the most hope, the most power to protect all that you have, never live in fear, able to practice any religion you want or don't want. Do and say anything you feel like, go anywhere you feel like, at any time for any reason. Where you live you can swim or ski on the same friggin' day if you wish.

 

You're also male, upper middle class, healthy, happily married, white, educated, and living in a period of time that has the greatest innovation and opportunity in history. Those "just happened to be born withs" makes you in the upper 99.999 percentile in the entire history of the world on the "I'm a lucky bastard" list. So, my good friend, and I mean that, shut the fukk up.

[/dev/null]

You don't know how the US tax system works either? I always thought you were pretty smart, you just chose to be snarky.

 

Nope, I'm just part of the great uninformed unwashed masses. Us Pennsyltuckyians only be knowing what the good book teaches. Oh, and how to clean my Smiff n Westin

[Chef Jim]

You get to live in the greatest country in the world, in a place as beautiful as Southern California, with more freedom to do and say whatever the fukk you want than any place on earth, the ability to change jobs in the middle of your career, choose any profession you feel like, have more chance of success and unlimited success than anywhere on earth, the most diversity, the most hope, the most power to protect all that you have, never live in fear, able to practice any religion you want or don't want. Do and say anything you feel like, go anywhere you feel like, at any time for any reason. Where you live you can swim or ski on the same friggin' day if you wish.

 

You're also male, upper middle class, healthy, happily married, white, educated, and living in a period of time that has the greatest innovation and opportunity in history. Those "just happened to be born withs" makes you in the upper 99.999 percentile in the entire history of the world on the "I'm a lucky bastard" list. So, my good friend, and I mean that, shut the fukk up.

 

For five more months my friend and then I get to mingle with the freaks for SF. Oh sorry, was I supposed to shut the !@#$ up?

[Kelly the Dog]

Nope, I'm just part of the great uninformed unwashed masses. Us Pennsyltuckyians only be knowing what the good book teaches. Oh, and how to clean my Smiff n Westin

Oh, a cling-on.

[/dev/null]

Oh, a cling-on.

 

Hey Beavis, better watch out for the Klingons near Uranus

[Kelly the Dog]

You can't appreciate McCain without ripping apart Obama because Obama doesn't give a shiit about me. He thinks I owe the people, as he says, "behind" me. So forgive me for spending most of my time calling him out for that god-awful approach to the economy.

 

And just for the record, if Obama didn't have SO MANY questions about his history and integrity, people wouldn't spend so much time questioning it.

This is just one conservative's opinion, but I think a pretty good one.

A conservative on conservatives, and one liberal