IDBillzFan Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Yeah, Obama is clearly on the ropes. I think we all know it's a landslide. A Reagan landslide. Obama is already picking cabinet members. His family in Kenya is actually packing its bags right now for their new white home. In fact, I heard today that Obama may actually let his Aunt speak on Nov. 3rd instead of the 4th. That's what I keep telling everyone. Everyone I see. It's over. Landslide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Coli Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 I think we all know it's a landslide. A Reagan landslide. Obama is already picking cabinet members. His family in Kenya is actually packing its bags right now for their new white home. In fact, I heard today that Obama may actually let his Aunt speak on Nov. 3rd instead of the 4th. That's what I keep telling everyone. Everyone I see. It's over. Landslide. Doubt it will be a landslide, but I'd rather be in his position right now than McCain's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Doubt it will be a landslide, but I'd rather be in his position right now than McCain's. Landslide. Landslide. Landslide. There's a sale at Penneys!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Yeah, Obama is clearly on the ropes. No, it is starting to have an effect. By January, McCain might even be leading in the polls... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastaJoe Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 He should have spread some of that 230 mil he spent on tv ads to his brother in Kenya and his aunt in a slum in Boston. I thik its called practice what you preach. McCain would have given his right nut (and I'm not talking about Palin) to have the support that provided the money for Obama to buy that air time. 632,000 first-time givers to Obama in September. The contributions by the new givers that month averaged $86. And spending money on advertising is not a waste, that money goes to the advertising agencies, television networks, and employees who work for those companies. It's going back into the American economy. People voluntarily donating to the campaigns expect that is what it will be spent on, not personal items like clothing (oops, Sarah!). As George Will points out, the Center for Responsive Politics calculates that, by Election Day, $2.4 billion will have been spent on presidential campaigns in the two-year election cycle that began in January 2007, and an additional $2.9 billion will have been spent on 435 House and 35 Senate contests. This $5.3 billion is a billion less than Americans will spend this year on potato chips. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...id=opinionsbox1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 There's a sale at Penneys!!! Surely you must be joking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowLinesandArmadillos Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 McCain would have given his right nut (and I'm not talking about Palin) to have the support that provided the money for Obama to buy that air time. 632,000 first-time givers to Obama in September. The contributions by the new givers that month averaged $86. And spending money on advertising is not a waste, that money goes to the advertising agencies, television networks, and employees who work for those companies. It's going back into the American economy. People voluntarily donating to the campaigns expect that is what it will be spent on, not personal items like clothing (oops, Sarah!). As George Will points out, the Center for Responsive Politics calculates that, by Election Day, $2.4 billion will have been spent on presidential campaigns in the two-year election cycle that began in January 2007, and an additional $2.9 billion will have been spent on 435 House and 35 Senate contests. This $5.3 billion is a billion less than Americans will spend this year on potato chips. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...id=opinionsbox1 And then we will have a recession for the political pr folks and pundits... I big lost sector of the economy! I approved of the double entendre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 I didn't see the Obama thing yet I will have to look for it on Youtube..... I will say this....why is everyone expecting Obama to give out specific relevant information?.....this airtime wasnt meant for folks such as yourselfs who take the time to educate on these matters..... It is geared more towards people like me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 So, the Right Wing apologists on this board hated it or claimed it was boring, but they all watched at least some of it. That means leaners, Indys and the undecided watched it, too. I'd say that's a pretty solid win for the Obama campaign this close to Election day. He also won another news cycle and effectively got his message across. Most notably though, was he ran a 30 minute ad that was overwhelmingly positive and issue-driven. The McCain campaign ran a one minute rebuttal ad on the station I was watching, and it was yet another listless attack on Obama's character and experience. Which of those two campaign ads resonated better with the American people? Is this supposed to be a joke? "Won another news cycle?" Which news cycle is that, 2008? They haven't stopped fawning over this guy for 5 minutes and his people are still nervous about putting away McCain. To call that an "issues driven" ad is simply laughable. "I'll do blah, blah, blah. Never mind the root causes of the problem, the cost of my 'solution', precedent it'll set or the impact it'll have on other factors". Nope, no need to analyze any of that. I guess for those with double digit IQs, "no foreclosures for 90 days" sounds great. Hey, why not make it 180? 365? Ban them entirely! Yeah ChangeTM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomer860 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 So, the Right Wing apologists on this board hated it or claimed it was boring, but they all watched at least some of it. That means leaners, Indys and the undecided watched it, too. I'd say that's a pretty solid win for the Obama campaign this close to Election day. He also won another news cycle and effectively got his message across. Most notably though, was he ran a 30 minute ad that was overwhelmingly positive and issue-driven. The McCain campaign ran a one minute rebuttal ad on the station I was watching, and it was yet another listless attack on Obama's character and experience. Which of those two campaign ads resonated better with the American people? I'll bet you got a warm feeling up your leg when he was on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 He gave specifics. The same ones he has been saying, There were about 20 bullet points of what he was going to do. All along I thought it was an attempt to attract the people who havent paid attention to him. That heard second hand he may be a Muslim. That heard second hand he wants to raise your taxes or is a socialist. It would have been incredibly stupid to risk putting any new policy in there or get into real specifics. You knew he wasnt going to do that, I assume you from what the teaser from his campaign was that he wasn't going to do that. Oh, I'm sorry. I thought Obama was going to be a "different" kind of leader. I know you are really hung up on the Muslim thing which I can't really comment on since I haven't heard about that other than on this board, but I can assure you that I have heard Obama say FIRST HAND that he wants to raise my taxes. The smart people that pay attention to this stuff cant understand a politicians specifics in his plan on taxes and the sort, let alone the dummies he was trying to reach. We're in agreement there -- the smart people can't understand how he could possibly achieve/afford what he's proposed in his very, very broad strokes. Probably because we understand he can't and he's just making b.s. promises like every other politician. Makes some of us wonder how others can be so drawn in by this guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Oh, I'm sorry. I thought Obama was going to be a "different" kind of leader. I know you are really hung up on the Muslim thing which I can't really comment on since I haven't heard about that other than on this board, but I can assure you that I have heard Obama say FIRST HAND that he wants to raise my taxes. We're in agreement there -- the smart people can't understand how he could possibly achieve/afford what he's proposed in his very, very broad strokes. Probably because we understand he can't and he's just making b.s. promises like every other politician. Makes some of us wonder how others can be so drawn in by this guy. Well if you're grossing more than 200-250K, good for you. You can't be too pissed. All he wants to do is go back to the taxes of the late 90s Clinton era for the people in the highest 2-5%, and lower taxes or keep them the same for the people in the lower 95-98%. That's doesn't seem so outrageous, catastrophic or impossible to accomplish. There was a newspaper story today that said 23% of the population in Texas still thinks he is Muslim. http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/30/po...e-obama-muslim/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastaJoe Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 There was a newspaper story today that said 23% of the population in Texas still thinks he is Muslim. Probably the same people who still think Iraq attacked us on 9/11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Coli Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Is this supposed to be a joke? "Won another news cycle?" Which news cycle is that, 2008? They haven't stopped fawning over this guy for 5 minutes and his people are still nervous about putting away McCain. To call that an "issues driven" ad is simply laughable. "I'll do blah, blah, blah. Never mind the root causes of the problem, the cost of my 'solution', precedent it'll set or the impact it'll have on other factors". Nope, no need to analyze any of that. I guess for those with double digit IQs, "no foreclosures for 90 days" sounds great. Hey, why not make it 180? 365? Ban them entirely! Yeah ChangeTM! Yes, issues driven rather than an attack ad. He spoke about specific issues relevent to the American people right now, with real examples, rather than McCain's negative style that doesn't/hasn't addressed a single topic that the American people want to hear about. Clearly it had no effect on you, as you chose to vote for an erractic hot-head months ago, but the ad resonated with a lot of viewers. To ridicule the ad means you watched the ad. If someone as opposed to Obama, such as yourself, spent the time to tune in then a lot of people who aren't so skewed also did. That's an Obama win. And yes, every day that the Obama campaign monopolizes the news is another day that McCain is left scrambling. It's how successful campaigns are run. Instead of whining and blaming the media you should be criticizing your guy for running a 19th century style campaign in the 21st century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Miner Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Well if you're grossing more than 200-250K, good for you. You can't be too pissed. All he wants to do is go back to the taxes of the late 90s Clinton era for the people in the highest 5%, and lower taxes or keep them the same for the people in the lower 95%. That's doesn't seem so outrageous, catastrophic or impossible to accomplish. There was a newspaper story today that said 23% of the population in Texas still thinks he is Muslim. http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/30/po...e-obama-muslim/ Wow, 550 registered voters in the Austin replying to a meaningless poll. Half of my family would be considered rednecks from SE Missouri, and the other half would be considered rednecks from Tennessee. I live in what's considered redneck OK, and no one that I'm related to or have met or know in any of these states actually thinks Obama is a Muslim. They all dislike him for various reason, but I've not heard one of them say it's because he's a Muslim. Now granted, I'm only doing my own independent poll of about 50-75 people, but I'm still coming up with an amazing 0% that believe he's a Muslim. In fact, the only people I hear complaining about the Muslim issue are the people that are supposedly voting for him. Get over yourself, and realize that most of the people not voting for him aren't racist bigots or ignorant rednecks who believe every email that pops up on the computer. Some people actually have real fundamental disagreements with his ideas. But I can always count on a KTFBD post telling me how incredibly stupid people that don't like Obama are, because they think he's a Muslim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 McCain would have given his right nut (and I'm not talking about Palin) to have the support that provided the money for Obama to buy that air time. 632,000 first-time givers to Obama in September. The contributions by the new givers that month averaged $86. And spending money on advertising is not a waste, that money goes to the advertising agencies, television networks, and employees who work for those companies. It's going back into the American economy. People voluntarily donating to the campaigns expect that is what it will be spent on, not personal items like clothing (oops, Sarah!). As George Will points out, the Center for Responsive Politics calculates that, by Election Day, $2.4 billion will have been spent on presidential campaigns in the two-year election cycle that began in January 2007, and an additional $2.9 billion will have been spent on 435 House and 35 Senate contests. This $5.3 billion is a billion less than Americans will spend this year on potato chips. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...id=opinionsbox1 Wasn't there a time, not so long ago, when the Dems and their media lapdogs were bewailing how unfair it was that the GOP had such big campaign coffers? No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 He gave specifics. The same ones he has been saying, There were about 20 bullet points of what he was going to do. ...without any way of paying for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomer860 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 ...without any way of paying for them. Sure there is . Raise the taxes!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Sure there is . Raise the taxes!! Speaking of raising taxes. I'll ask again. Is The Big O saying he's only raising taxes on people making $250k does he say taxes or income taxes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 In fact, the only people I hear complaining about the Muslim issue are the people that are supposedly voting for him. Get over yourself, and realize that most of the people not voting for him aren't racist bigots or ignorant rednecks who believe every email that pops up on the computer. Some people actually have real fundamental disagreements with his ideas. But I can always count on a KTFBD post telling me how incredibly stupid people that don't like Obama are, because they think he's a Muslim. I only mentioned the Muslim thing to say that a huge portion of the potential electorate still hasn't followed this thing close enough, and don't know the facts because they have only seen a small amount of information, and a lot of that information is false, from both sides. And buying time at 8 o'clock on a weekday on all the networks was to convince or reassure those people that Obama is safe, and to attempt to disavow some misinformation (what Obama's people see as misinformation, you could argue otherwise). The general consensus, in poll after poll, is that about 1-10 still think Obama is a Muslim. It's more in some polls, and a lot more in some states, like Texas (there was another recent one in Texas that had the number at 20%). Now, even if those are way off, and it's only 9-10, in an election where the outcome is usually determined by 1-5%, that's a lot of fukking people. And again, I was only using the Muslim thing as an example of misinformation. I happen to think that the misinformation about Obama being a terrorist, or Obama wanting to raise your taxes is a lot bigger issue. There is also a significant number of people in these polls that are going to vote for Obama even though they think he's a Muslim, so it's not all McCain voters. The general public is uninformed and stupid, IMO, but that is not a partisan thing. I just think people are not educated enough, curious enough, are too gullible, and don't have the time or energy or inclination to seek out more viewpoints or facts that could help their decisions. That's it. Democrats are just as stupid as Republicans and Independents and Apoliticals. You, on the other hand, seem to be a lot more educated, and yet come across significantly more stupid than the general public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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