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Bruce is the most obvious cinch. Rod Woodson---one of the all time greats--also a cinch. Shannon Sharpe...YES.

Bob Hayes will be inducted on the senior ballot. John Randle will be a close miss. The others on the list not super impressive--altho Centers has very good numbers.

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Here's what I think of the 11 first ballot Hall of Famers.

 

Bruce Smith: Automatic 1st timer.

 

Rod Woodson: Automatic 1st timer.

 

Shannon Sharpe: Will get in, but is he a 1st timer?

 

Larry Centers: Has very good numbers and been to a few Pro Bowls. Might have to wait awhile.

 

Lincoln Kennedy: Was he really THAT good? IMO not HOF material.

 

John Randle: Very good early career, but inconsistent in later years. There are more deserving players at the moment.

 

Dana Stubblefield: Great with the 49'ers, then became a part of the "Washington Monuments" with the Skins. Not worthy.

 

Jessie Armstead: Very good LB, but again there are more worthy players at the moment.

 

Darren Woodson: He should be in. A very effective Safety, but could wait a 2 or 3 years.

 

Frank Wycheck: Questionable. Has surprisingly great numbers. Could have a long wait.

 

Brian Mitchell: Great returner, but special teams has still yet to get serious recognition from the HOF.

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Here's what I think of the 11 first ballot Hall of Famers.

 

Bruce Smith: Automatic 1st timer.

 

Rod Woodson: Automatic 1st timer.

 

Shannon Sharpe: Will get in, but is he a 1st timer?

 

Larry Centers: Has very good numbers and been to a few Pro Bowls. Might have to wait awhile.

 

Lincoln Kennedy: Was he really THAT good? IMO not HOF material.

 

John Randle: Very good early career, but inconsistent in later years. There are more deserving players at the moment.

 

Dana Stubblefield: Great with the 49'ers, then became a part of the "Washington Monuments" with the Skins. Not worthy.

 

Jessie Armstead: Very good LB, but again there are more worthy players at the moment.

 

Darren Woodson: He should be in. A very effective Safety, but could wait a 2 or 3 years.

 

Frank Wycheck: Questionable. Has surprisingly great numbers. Could have a long wait.

 

Brian Mitchell: Great returner, but special teams has still yet to get serious recognition from the HOF.

we pretty much agree...but I really think that Shannon Sharpe was one of the top 5 tight ends ever.So he should be a 1st balloter.

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A list of guys who at one time or another played for the Bills my eyesight isn't that great and I may have missed one or two but these are the guys I found.

 

Bruce Smith

 

Andre Reed

 

Kent Hull

 

Fred Smerlas

 

Art Still

 

Cornelius Bennett

 

Chris Spielman

 

Darryl Talley

 

Steve Tasker

 

Ralph Wilson

 

I'm a little biased but I say yes to all.

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A list of guys who at one time or another played for the Bills my eyesight isn't that great and I may have missed one or two but these are the guys I found.

 

Bruce Smith - Of course

 

Andre Reed - He better get in...such an under appreciation for this guy.

 

Kent Hull - Absolutely

 

Fred Smerlas - Never saw him play

 

Art Still - Ditto

 

Cornelius Bennett - Eh...close, but I don't think so

 

Chris Spielman - Nah...great player though

 

Darryl Talley - Don't think so

 

Steve Tasker - Yeah, why not? The guy was the best ever at what he did. My only counter argument would be, is he really more deserving than the best punter of all-time? No punters in HOF could mean no ST specialists.

 

Ralph Wilson - Yes

 

I'm a little biased but I say yes to all.

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I brought this up in another thread but it's relevant here. If Bruce Smith and Andre Reed make the HOF the Bills will join an elite class of only ten teams that have drafted more than one HOFer in the same draft. If Darryl Talley goes in also he'll join Jim Kelly and that will make two drafts of two HOFer being selected by the Bills. (1983) Jim and Darryl and (1985) Bruce and Andre.

 

It would be amazingly cool to see Bruce and Andre go in together this year since they are from the same draft. Most likely won't happen but it would be very, very cool!!

 

1. (1936) Chicago Bears, Joe Stydahar, Danny Fortman. (1936 is the year of the very first draft)

(1965) Chicago Bears Dick Butkus, Gale Sayers.

 

2. (1945) Cleveland Rams Elroy Crazylegs Hirsch, Tom Fears.

 

3. (1947) New York Giants Tom Landry, Art Donavan.

 

4. (1953) Cleveland Browns Doug Atkins, who became Chuck Noll .

(1957) Cleveland Browns Jim Brown, Henry Jordan.

 

5. (1957) Philadelphia Eagles Tommy McDonald, Sonny Jurgensen.

 

6. (1958) Green Bay Packers Jim Taylor, Ray Nitschke.

 

7. (1963) KC Chiefs Buck Buchanan, Bobby Bell.

 

8. (1964) Washington Redskins. Charley Taylor, Paul Krause.

 

9. (1964) Dallas Cowboys Mel Renfro, Roger Staubach.

 

10. (1970) Pittsburgh Steelers Terry Bradshaw, Mel Blount.

(1974) Pittsburgh Steelers Lynn Swan, Jack Lambert, John Stallworth, Mike Webster.

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we pretty much agree...but I really think that Shannon Sharpe was one of the top 5 tight ends ever.So he should be a 1st balloter.

I'm already dreading his acceptance speech. The thought of that man speaking out loud for multiple, consecutive minutes is both scary and slightly unbelievable, IMO.

 

They might need to hand out translator headphones to the entire crowd like at a UN meeting.

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I'd love to see Bruce and all other Bills' players protest the HOF voting and remove their names from the list until Ralph is voted in. It's an absolute disgrace to the NFL that Ralph is not in. Disgusting in fact.

 

 

It would never happen, but it'd be nice.

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Al Davis has pissed off the league over and over again. I understand why he's not in but I can't think of a single reason Ralph isn't. He deserves to go in before he dies.

But, Al Davis is in the HOF. How disgraceful is that?

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For those looking for the entire preliminary list, here it is. I highlighted the people I would like to see get in this year. Of course, the HOF selection committee is guaranteed to screw it up again this year, but that is another story.

 

Quarterbacks

Ken Anderson

Boomer Esiason

Jim Plunkett

Phil Simms

Ken Stabler

Joe Theismann

Doug Williams

 

Running Backs

Ottis Anderson

Larry Centers

Roger Craig

Terrell Davis

Brian Mitchell (also KR/PR)

Greg Pruitt (also KR/PR)

Herschel Walker

Ricky Watters

 

Wide Receivers

Cliff Branch

Harold Carmichael

Cris Carter

Wes Chandler

Gary Clark

Isaac Curtis

Henry Ellard

Irving Fryar

Roy Green

Harold Jackson

Herman Moore

Stanley Morgan

Andre Reed - My bias is showing here.

Sterling Sharpe

 

Tight Ends

Mark Bavaro

Todd Christensen

Ben Coates

Russ Francis

Brent Jones

Steve Jordan

Shannon Sharpe

Frank Wycheck

 

Offensive Linemen

Tony Boselli, T

Lomas Brown, T

Jim Covert, T

Randy Cross, G/C

Dave Dalby, C

Dermontti Dawson, C

Ray Donaldson, C

Russ Grimm, G

Jay Hilgenberg, C

Kent Hill, G/T

Chris Hinton, G/T

Kent Hull, C

Joe Jacoby, T

Mike Kenn, T

Lincoln Kennedy, T

Bob Kuechenberg, G

Jim Lachey, T

Henry Lawrence, G/T

Mark May, G/T/C

Randall McDaniel, G

Max Montoya, G

Marvin Powell, T

Steve Wisniewski, G

 

 

Defensive Linemen

Ray Childress, DT/DE

Richard Dent, DE

Chris Doleman, DE/LB

Carl "Big Daddy" Hairston, DE/DT

Charles Haley, DE/LB

Ed “Too Tall” Jones, DE

Cortez Kennedy, DT

Joe Klecko, DE/DT/NT

Steve McMichael, DT/NT

Leslie O’Neal, DE

John Randle, DE/DT

Fred Smerlas, NT

Bruce Smith, DE

Art Still, DE

Dana Stubblefield, DT

 

Linebackers

Jessie Armstead

Cornelius Bennett

Robert Brazile

Kevin Greene (also DE)

Ken Harvey

Rickey Jackson

Tom Jackson

Clay Matthews

Karl Mecklenburg

Sam Mills

Hardy Nickerson

Chris Spielman

Pat Swilling

Darryl Talley

Derrick Thomas

 

Defensive Backs

Eric Allen, CB

Steve Atwater, S

Joey Browner, S

LeRoy Butler, S

Deron Cherry, S

Raymond Clayborn, CB

Kenny Easley, S

Lester Hayes,

CB Albert Lewis, CB

Ken Riley, CB

Eugene Robinson, S

Donnie Shell, S

Darren Woodson, S

Rod Woodson, CB/S

Louis Wright, CB

 

Kickers, Punters & Special Teams

Rich Camarillo, P

Ray Guy, P

Nick Lowery, K

Reggie Roby, P

Steve Tasker, ST/WR

 

Coaches

Don Coryell

Tom Flores

Jimmy Johnson

Chuck Knox

Buddy Parker

Dan Reeves

Clark Shaughnessy

 

Contributors

Bud Adams, Owner

Gil Brandt, Administrator

C.O. Brocato, Scout

Leo Carlin, Administrator

Ed DeBartolo, Jr., Owner

Ben Dreith, Official

Bob Harlan, Administrator

Jerry Jones, Owner

Art Modell, Owner

Art Rooney, Jr. Administrator

Ed Sabol, NFL Films

Steve Sabol, NFL Films

Paul Tagliabue, Commissioner

Ralph Wilson, Jr., Owner

Ron Wolf, Administrator - I am a little biased with this one, so take it for what it is worth.

George Young, Administrator

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Thanks for picking up that oversight! :devil:

 

No problem.

 

From your list, here are my opinions:

 

Bruce Smith - Yup.

Andre Reed - Yup.

Kent Hull - Yup.

Fred Smerlas - Nope.

Art Still - Nope.

Cornelius Bennett - Nope.

Chris Spielman - Nope.

Darryl Talley - Nope.

Steve Tasker - Yup.

Ralph Wilson - Nope.

Chuck Knox - Nope.

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Bruce Smith - Yes

Andre Reed - Yes

Kent Hull - Maybe

Fred Smerlas - No

Art Still - No

Cornelius Bennett - No

Chris Spielman - No

Darryl Talley - No

Steve Tasker - Yes

Ralph Wilson - !@#$ Ralph, HELL NO

Chuck Knox - - No

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Putting the Sabol family in the Hall would be a good decision...growing up in the 60s and 70s, NFL Films was a driving factor in me becoming a pro football fan...the highlights, Facenda, the music...the Sabols made it all come together.

 

I believe they helped create a generation on NFL fans and their election to the game's highest individual honor is indeed fitting.

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For those looking for the entire preliminary list, here it is. I highlighted the people I would like to see get in this year. Of course, the HOF selection committee is guaranteed to screw it up again this year, but that is another story.

 

Quarterbacks

Ken Anderson

Boomer Esiason

Jim Plunkett

Phil Simms

Ken Stabler

Joe Theismann

Doug Williams

 

Running Backs

Ottis Anderson

Larry Centers

Roger Craig

Terrell Davis

Brian Mitchell (also KR/PR)

Greg Pruitt (also KR/PR)

Herschel Walker

Ricky Watters

 

Wide Receivers

Cliff Branch

Harold Carmichael

Cris Carter

Wes Chandler

Gary Clark

Isaac Curtis

Henry Ellard

Irving Fryar

Roy Green

Harold Jackson

Herman Moore

Stanley Morgan

Andre Reed - My bias is showing here.

Sterling Sharpe

 

Tight Ends

Mark Bavaro

Todd Christensen

Ben Coates

Russ Francis

Brent Jones

Steve Jordan

Shannon Sharpe

Frank Wycheck

 

Offensive Linemen

Tony Boselli, T

Lomas Brown, T

Jim Covert, T

Randy Cross, G/C

Dave Dalby, C

Dermontti Dawson, C

Ray Donaldson, C

Russ Grimm, G

Jay Hilgenberg, C

Kent Hill, G/T

Chris Hinton, G/T

Kent Hull, C

Joe Jacoby, T

Mike Kenn, T

Lincoln Kennedy, T

Bob Kuechenberg, G

Jim Lachey, T

Henry Lawrence, G/T

Mark May, G/T/C

Randall McDaniel, G

Max Montoya, G

Marvin Powell, T

Steve Wisniewski, G

 

 

Defensive Linemen

Ray Childress, DT/DE

Richard Dent, DE

Chris Doleman, DE/LB

Carl "Big Daddy" Hairston, DE/DT

Charles Haley, DE/LB

Ed “Too Tall” Jones, DE

Cortez Kennedy, DT

Joe Klecko, DE/DT/NT

Steve McMichael, DT/NT

Leslie O’Neal, DE

John Randle, DE/DT

Fred Smerlas, NT

Bruce Smith, DE

Art Still, DE

Dana Stubblefield, DT

 

Linebackers

Jessie Armstead

Cornelius Bennett

Robert Brazile

Kevin Greene (also DE)

Ken Harvey

Rickey Jackson

Tom Jackson

Clay Matthews

Karl Mecklenburg

Sam Mills

Hardy Nickerson

Chris Spielman

Pat Swilling

Darryl Talley

Derrick Thomas

 

Defensive Backs

Eric Allen, CB

Steve Atwater, S

Joey Browner, S

LeRoy Butler, S

Deron Cherry, S

Raymond Clayborn, CB

Kenny Easley, S

Lester Hayes,

CB Albert Lewis, CB

Ken Riley, CB

Eugene Robinson, S

Donnie Shell, S

Darren Woodson, S

Rod Woodson, CB/S

Louis Wright, CB

 

Kickers, Punters & Special Teams

Rich Camarillo, P

Ray Guy, P

Nick Lowery, K

Reggie Roby, P

Steve Tasker, ST/WR

 

Coaches

Don Coryell

Tom Flores

Jimmy Johnson

Chuck Knox

Buddy Parker

Dan Reeves

Clark Shaughnessy

 

Contributors

Bud Adams, Owner

Gil Brandt, Administrator

C.O. Brocato, Scout

Leo Carlin, Administrator

Ed DeBartolo, Jr., Owner

Ben Dreith, Official

Bob Harlan, Administrator

Jerry Jones, Owner

Art Modell, Owner

Art Rooney, Jr. Administrator

Ed Sabol, NFL Films

Steve Sabol, NFL Films

Paul Tagliabue, Commissioner

Ralph Wilson, Jr., Owner

Ron Wolf, Administrator - I am a little biased with this one, so take it for what it is worth.

George Young, Administrator

 

 

Nicely done, Kenneth. As usual.

 

 

Here's my take:

 

Quarterbacks

Ken Anderson

Boomer Esiason

Jim Plunkett

Phil Simms

Ken Stabler

Joe Theismann

Doug Williams

 

Running Backs

Ottis Anderson

Larry Centers

Roger Craig

Terrell Davis

Brian Mitchell (also KR/PR)

Greg Pruitt (also KR/PR)

Herschel Walker

Ricky Watters

 

Wide Receivers

Cliff Branch

Harold Carmichael

Cris Carter

Wes Chandler

Gary Clark

Isaac Curtis

Henry Ellard

Irving Fryar

Roy Green

Harold Jackson

Herman Moore

Stanley Morgan

Andre Reed

Sterling Sharpe

 

Tight Ends

Mark Bavaro

Todd Christensen

Ben Coates

Russ Francis

Brent Jones

Steve Jordan

Shannon Sharpe

Frank Wycheck

 

Offensive Linemen

Tony Boselli, T

Lomas Brown, T

Jim Covert, T

Randy Cross, G/C

Dave Dalby, C

Dermontti Dawson, C

Ray Donaldson, C

Russ Grimm, G

Jay Hilgenberg, C

Kent Hill, G/T

Chris Hinton, G/T

Kent Hull, C [My bias is certainly showing here; I realize it ain't happeing and certainly not before Dawson]

Joe Jacoby, T

Mike Kenn, T

Lincoln Kennedy, T

Bob Kuechenberg, G

Jim Lachey, T

Henry Lawrence, G/T

Mark May, G/T/C

Randall McDaniel, G

Max Montoya, G

Marvin Powell, T

Steve Wisniewski, G

 

 

Defensive Linemen

Ray Childress, DT/DE

Richard Dent, DE

Chris Doleman, DE/LB

Carl "Big Daddy" Hairston, DE/DT

Charles Haley, DE/LB

Ed “Too Tall” Jones, DE

Cortez Kennedy, DT

Joe Klecko, DE/DT/NT

Steve McMichael, DT/NT

Leslie O’Neal, DE

John Randle, DE/DT

Fred Smerlas, NT

Bruce Smith, DE

Art Still, DE

Dana Stubblefield, DT

 

Linebackers

Jessie Armstead

Cornelius Bennett

Robert Brazile

Kevin Greene (also DE)

Ken Harvey

Rickey Jackson

Tom Jackson

Clay Matthews

Karl Mecklenburg

Sam Mills

Hardy Nickerson

Chris Spielman

Pat Swilling

Darryl Talley

Derrick Thomas

 

Defensive Backs

Eric Allen, CB

Steve Atwater, S

Joey Browner, S

LeRoy Butler, S

Deron Cherry, S

Raymond Clayborn, CB

Kenny Easley, S

Lester Hayes,

CB Albert Lewis, CB

Ken Riley, CB

Eugene Robinson, S

Donnie Shell, S

Darren Woodson, S

Rod Woodson, CB/S

Louis Wright, CB

 

Kickers, Punters & Special Teams

Rich Camarillo, P

Ray Guy, P

Nick Lowery, K

Reggie Roby, P

Steve Tasker, ST/WR

 

Coaches

Don Coryell

Tom Flores

Jimmy Johnson

Chuck Knox

Buddy Parker

Dan Reeves

Clark Shaughnessy

 

Contributors

Bud Adams, Owner

Gil Brandt, Administrator

C.O. Brocato, Scout

Leo Carlin, Administrator

Ed DeBartolo, Jr., Owner

Ben Dreith, Official

Bob Harlan, Administrator

Jerry Jones, Owner

Art Modell, Owner

Art Rooney, Jr. Administrator

Ed Sabol, NFL Films

Steve Sabol, NFL Films

Paul Tagliabue, Commissioner

Ralph Wilson, Jr., Owner

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