Tcali Posted October 29, 2008 Posted October 29, 2008 Bruce is the most obvious cinch. Rod Woodson---one of the all time greats--also a cinch. Shannon Sharpe...YES. Bob Hayes will be inducted on the senior ballot. John Randle will be a close miss. The others on the list not super impressive--altho Centers has very good numbers.
Mark Vader Posted October 29, 2008 Posted October 29, 2008 Here's what I think of the 11 first ballot Hall of Famers. Bruce Smith: Automatic 1st timer. Rod Woodson: Automatic 1st timer. Shannon Sharpe: Will get in, but is he a 1st timer? Larry Centers: Has very good numbers and been to a few Pro Bowls. Might have to wait awhile. Lincoln Kennedy: Was he really THAT good? IMO not HOF material. John Randle: Very good early career, but inconsistent in later years. There are more deserving players at the moment. Dana Stubblefield: Great with the 49'ers, then became a part of the "Washington Monuments" with the Skins. Not worthy. Jessie Armstead: Very good LB, but again there are more worthy players at the moment. Darren Woodson: He should be in. A very effective Safety, but could wait a 2 or 3 years. Frank Wycheck: Questionable. Has surprisingly great numbers. Could have a long wait. Brian Mitchell: Great returner, but special teams has still yet to get serious recognition from the HOF.
Tcali Posted October 29, 2008 Author Posted October 29, 2008 Here's what I think of the 11 first ballot Hall of Famers. Bruce Smith: Automatic 1st timer. Rod Woodson: Automatic 1st timer. Shannon Sharpe: Will get in, but is he a 1st timer? Larry Centers: Has very good numbers and been to a few Pro Bowls. Might have to wait awhile. Lincoln Kennedy: Was he really THAT good? IMO not HOF material. John Randle: Very good early career, but inconsistent in later years. There are more deserving players at the moment. Dana Stubblefield: Great with the 49'ers, then became a part of the "Washington Monuments" with the Skins. Not worthy. Jessie Armstead: Very good LB, but again there are more worthy players at the moment. Darren Woodson: He should be in. A very effective Safety, but could wait a 2 or 3 years. Frank Wycheck: Questionable. Has surprisingly great numbers. Could have a long wait. Brian Mitchell: Great returner, but special teams has still yet to get serious recognition from the HOF. we pretty much agree...but I really think that Shannon Sharpe was one of the top 5 tight ends ever.So he should be a 1st balloter.
Steely Dan Posted October 29, 2008 Posted October 29, 2008 A list of guys who at one time or another played for the Bills my eyesight isn't that great and I may have missed one or two but these are the guys I found. Bruce Smith Andre Reed Kent Hull Fred Smerlas Art Still Cornelius Bennett Chris Spielman Darryl Talley Steve Tasker Ralph Wilson I'm a little biased but I say yes to all.
bartshan-83 Posted October 29, 2008 Posted October 29, 2008 A list of guys who at one time or another played for the Bills my eyesight isn't that great and I may have missed one or two but these are the guys I found. Bruce Smith - Of course Andre Reed - He better get in...such an under appreciation for this guy. Kent Hull - Absolutely Fred Smerlas - Never saw him play Art Still - Ditto Cornelius Bennett - Eh...close, but I don't think so Chris Spielman - Nah...great player though Darryl Talley - Don't think so Steve Tasker - Yeah, why not? The guy was the best ever at what he did. My only counter argument would be, is he really more deserving than the best punter of all-time? No punters in HOF could mean no ST specialists. Ralph Wilson - Yes I'm a little biased but I say yes to all.
Steely Dan Posted October 29, 2008 Posted October 29, 2008 I brought this up in another thread but it's relevant here. If Bruce Smith and Andre Reed make the HOF the Bills will join an elite class of only ten teams that have drafted more than one HOFer in the same draft. If Darryl Talley goes in also he'll join Jim Kelly and that will make two drafts of two HOFer being selected by the Bills. (1983) Jim and Darryl and (1985) Bruce and Andre. It would be amazingly cool to see Bruce and Andre go in together this year since they are from the same draft. Most likely won't happen but it would be very, very cool!! 1. (1936) Chicago Bears, Joe Stydahar, Danny Fortman. (1936 is the year of the very first draft) (1965) Chicago Bears Dick Butkus, Gale Sayers. 2. (1945) Cleveland Rams Elroy Crazylegs Hirsch, Tom Fears. 3. (1947) New York Giants Tom Landry, Art Donavan. 4. (1953) Cleveland Browns Doug Atkins, who became Chuck Noll . (1957) Cleveland Browns Jim Brown, Henry Jordan. 5. (1957) Philadelphia Eagles Tommy McDonald, Sonny Jurgensen. 6. (1958) Green Bay Packers Jim Taylor, Ray Nitschke. 7. (1963) KC Chiefs Buck Buchanan, Bobby Bell. 8. (1964) Washington Redskins. Charley Taylor, Paul Krause. 9. (1964) Dallas Cowboys Mel Renfro, Roger Staubach. 10. (1970) Pittsburgh Steelers Terry Bradshaw, Mel Blount. (1974) Pittsburgh Steelers Lynn Swan, Jack Lambert, John Stallworth, Mike Webster.
bartshan-83 Posted October 29, 2008 Posted October 29, 2008 we pretty much agree...but I really think that Shannon Sharpe was one of the top 5 tight ends ever.So he should be a 1st balloter. I'm already dreading his acceptance speech. The thought of that man speaking out loud for multiple, consecutive minutes is both scary and slightly unbelievable, IMO. They might need to hand out translator headphones to the entire crowd like at a UN meeting.
Dan Posted October 29, 2008 Posted October 29, 2008 I'd love to see Bruce and all other Bills' players protest the HOF voting and remove their names from the list until Ralph is voted in. It's an absolute disgrace to the NFL that Ralph is not in. Disgusting in fact. It would never happen, but it'd be nice.
Steely Dan Posted October 29, 2008 Posted October 29, 2008 Al Davis has pissed off the league over and over again. I understand why he's not in but I can't think of a single reason Ralph isn't. He deserves to go in before he dies.
Dan Posted October 29, 2008 Posted October 29, 2008 Al Davis has pissed off the league over and over again. I understand why he's not in but I can't think of a single reason Ralph isn't. He deserves to go in before he dies. But, Al Davis is in the HOF. How disgraceful is that?
Steely Dan Posted October 29, 2008 Posted October 29, 2008 But, Al Davis is in the HOF. How disgraceful is that? In 1992!! No less. Holy E. Schitt! I just assumed nobody would be that dumb. Well you know what they say when you assume. Aye Yi Yi
KRC Posted October 29, 2008 Posted October 29, 2008 For those looking for the entire preliminary list, here it is. I highlighted the people I would like to see get in this year. Of course, the HOF selection committee is guaranteed to screw it up again this year, but that is another story. Quarterbacks Ken Anderson Boomer Esiason Jim Plunkett Phil Simms Ken Stabler Joe Theismann Doug Williams Running Backs Ottis Anderson Larry Centers Roger Craig Terrell Davis Brian Mitchell (also KR/PR) Greg Pruitt (also KR/PR) Herschel Walker Ricky Watters Wide Receivers Cliff Branch Harold Carmichael Cris Carter Wes Chandler Gary Clark Isaac Curtis Henry Ellard Irving Fryar Roy Green Harold Jackson Herman Moore Stanley Morgan Andre Reed - My bias is showing here. Sterling Sharpe Tight Ends Mark Bavaro Todd Christensen Ben Coates Russ Francis Brent Jones Steve Jordan Shannon Sharpe Frank Wycheck Offensive Linemen Tony Boselli, T Lomas Brown, T Jim Covert, T Randy Cross, G/C Dave Dalby, C Dermontti Dawson, C Ray Donaldson, C Russ Grimm, G Jay Hilgenberg, C Kent Hill, G/T Chris Hinton, G/T Kent Hull, C Joe Jacoby, T Mike Kenn, T Lincoln Kennedy, T Bob Kuechenberg, G Jim Lachey, T Henry Lawrence, G/T Mark May, G/T/C Randall McDaniel, G Max Montoya, G Marvin Powell, T Steve Wisniewski, G Defensive Linemen Ray Childress, DT/DE Richard Dent, DE Chris Doleman, DE/LB Carl "Big Daddy" Hairston, DE/DT Charles Haley, DE/LB Ed “Too Tall” Jones, DE Cortez Kennedy, DT Joe Klecko, DE/DT/NT Steve McMichael, DT/NT Leslie O’Neal, DE John Randle, DE/DT Fred Smerlas, NT Bruce Smith, DE Art Still, DE Dana Stubblefield, DT Linebackers Jessie Armstead Cornelius Bennett Robert Brazile Kevin Greene (also DE) Ken Harvey Rickey Jackson Tom Jackson Clay Matthews Karl Mecklenburg Sam Mills Hardy Nickerson Chris Spielman Pat Swilling Darryl Talley Derrick Thomas Defensive Backs Eric Allen, CB Steve Atwater, S Joey Browner, S LeRoy Butler, S Deron Cherry, S Raymond Clayborn, CB Kenny Easley, S Lester Hayes, CB Albert Lewis, CB Ken Riley, CB Eugene Robinson, S Donnie Shell, S Darren Woodson, S Rod Woodson, CB/S Louis Wright, CB Kickers, Punters & Special Teams Rich Camarillo, P Ray Guy, P Nick Lowery, K Reggie Roby, P Steve Tasker, ST/WR Coaches Don Coryell Tom Flores Jimmy Johnson Chuck Knox Buddy Parker Dan Reeves Clark Shaughnessy Contributors Bud Adams, Owner Gil Brandt, Administrator C.O. Brocato, Scout Leo Carlin, Administrator Ed DeBartolo, Jr., Owner Ben Dreith, Official Bob Harlan, Administrator Jerry Jones, Owner Art Modell, Owner Art Rooney, Jr. Administrator Ed Sabol, NFL Films Steve Sabol, NFL Films Paul Tagliabue, Commissioner Ralph Wilson, Jr., Owner Ron Wolf, Administrator - I am a little biased with this one, so take it for what it is worth. George Young, Administrator
Steely Dan Posted October 29, 2008 Posted October 29, 2008 You missed Chuck Knox from that list. Thanks for picking up that oversight!
KRC Posted October 29, 2008 Posted October 29, 2008 Thanks for picking up that oversight! No problem. From your list, here are my opinions: Bruce Smith - Yup. Andre Reed - Yup. Kent Hull - Yup. Fred Smerlas - Nope. Art Still - Nope. Cornelius Bennett - Nope. Chris Spielman - Nope. Darryl Talley - Nope. Steve Tasker - Yup. Ralph Wilson - Nope. Chuck Knox - Nope.
Rico Posted October 29, 2008 Posted October 29, 2008 Bruce Smith - Yes Andre Reed - Yes Kent Hull - Maybe Fred Smerlas - No Art Still - No Cornelius Bennett - No Chris Spielman - No Darryl Talley - No Steve Tasker - Yes Ralph Wilson - !@#$ Ralph, HELL NO Chuck Knox - - No
thewildrabbit Posted October 29, 2008 Posted October 29, 2008 Fred Smerlas, Shane Nelson and Jim Haslett..the Bermuda Triangle!!! Yes to all
Ned Flanders Posted October 29, 2008 Posted October 29, 2008 Putting the Sabol family in the Hall would be a good decision...growing up in the 60s and 70s, NFL Films was a driving factor in me becoming a pro football fan...the highlights, Facenda, the music...the Sabols made it all come together. I believe they helped create a generation on NFL fans and their election to the game's highest individual honor is indeed fitting.
Boomer860 Posted October 29, 2008 Posted October 29, 2008 RALPH WILSON If he doesnt get it it shows you that its all a bunch of PR BS.
R. Rich Posted October 29, 2008 Posted October 29, 2008 For those looking for the entire preliminary list, here it is. I highlighted the people I would like to see get in this year. Of course, the HOF selection committee is guaranteed to screw it up again this year, but that is another story. Quarterbacks Ken Anderson Boomer Esiason Jim Plunkett Phil Simms Ken Stabler Joe Theismann Doug Williams Running Backs Ottis Anderson Larry Centers Roger Craig Terrell Davis Brian Mitchell (also KR/PR) Greg Pruitt (also KR/PR) Herschel Walker Ricky Watters Wide Receivers Cliff Branch Harold Carmichael Cris Carter Wes Chandler Gary Clark Isaac Curtis Henry Ellard Irving Fryar Roy Green Harold Jackson Herman Moore Stanley Morgan Andre Reed - My bias is showing here. Sterling Sharpe Tight Ends Mark Bavaro Todd Christensen Ben Coates Russ Francis Brent Jones Steve Jordan Shannon Sharpe Frank Wycheck Offensive Linemen Tony Boselli, T Lomas Brown, T Jim Covert, T Randy Cross, G/C Dave Dalby, C Dermontti Dawson, C Ray Donaldson, C Russ Grimm, G Jay Hilgenberg, C Kent Hill, G/T Chris Hinton, G/T Kent Hull, C Joe Jacoby, T Mike Kenn, T Lincoln Kennedy, T Bob Kuechenberg, G Jim Lachey, T Henry Lawrence, G/T Mark May, G/T/C Randall McDaniel, G Max Montoya, G Marvin Powell, T Steve Wisniewski, G Defensive Linemen Ray Childress, DT/DE Richard Dent, DE Chris Doleman, DE/LB Carl "Big Daddy" Hairston, DE/DT Charles Haley, DE/LB Ed “Too Tall” Jones, DE Cortez Kennedy, DT Joe Klecko, DE/DT/NT Steve McMichael, DT/NT Leslie O’Neal, DE John Randle, DE/DT Fred Smerlas, NT Bruce Smith, DE Art Still, DE Dana Stubblefield, DT Linebackers Jessie Armstead Cornelius Bennett Robert Brazile Kevin Greene (also DE) Ken Harvey Rickey Jackson Tom Jackson Clay Matthews Karl Mecklenburg Sam Mills Hardy Nickerson Chris Spielman Pat Swilling Darryl Talley Derrick Thomas Defensive Backs Eric Allen, CB Steve Atwater, S Joey Browner, S LeRoy Butler, S Deron Cherry, S Raymond Clayborn, CB Kenny Easley, S Lester Hayes, CB Albert Lewis, CB Ken Riley, CB Eugene Robinson, S Donnie Shell, S Darren Woodson, S Rod Woodson, CB/S Louis Wright, CB Kickers, Punters & Special Teams Rich Camarillo, P Ray Guy, P Nick Lowery, K Reggie Roby, P Steve Tasker, ST/WR Coaches Don Coryell Tom Flores Jimmy Johnson Chuck Knox Buddy Parker Dan Reeves Clark Shaughnessy Contributors Bud Adams, Owner Gil Brandt, Administrator C.O. Brocato, Scout Leo Carlin, Administrator Ed DeBartolo, Jr., Owner Ben Dreith, Official Bob Harlan, Administrator Jerry Jones, Owner Art Modell, Owner Art Rooney, Jr. Administrator Ed Sabol, NFL Films Steve Sabol, NFL Films Paul Tagliabue, Commissioner Ralph Wilson, Jr., Owner Ron Wolf, Administrator - I am a little biased with this one, so take it for what it is worth. George Young, Administrator Nicely done, Kenneth. As usual. Here's my take: Quarterbacks Ken Anderson Boomer Esiason Jim Plunkett Phil Simms Ken Stabler Joe Theismann Doug Williams Running Backs Ottis Anderson Larry Centers Roger Craig Terrell Davis Brian Mitchell (also KR/PR) Greg Pruitt (also KR/PR) Herschel Walker Ricky Watters Wide Receivers Cliff Branch Harold Carmichael Cris Carter Wes Chandler Gary Clark Isaac Curtis Henry Ellard Irving Fryar Roy Green Harold Jackson Herman Moore Stanley Morgan Andre Reed Sterling Sharpe Tight Ends Mark Bavaro Todd Christensen Ben Coates Russ Francis Brent Jones Steve Jordan Shannon Sharpe Frank Wycheck Offensive Linemen Tony Boselli, T Lomas Brown, T Jim Covert, T Randy Cross, G/C Dave Dalby, C Dermontti Dawson, C Ray Donaldson, C Russ Grimm, G Jay Hilgenberg, C Kent Hill, G/T Chris Hinton, G/T Kent Hull, C [My bias is certainly showing here; I realize it ain't happeing and certainly not before Dawson] Joe Jacoby, T Mike Kenn, T Lincoln Kennedy, T Bob Kuechenberg, G Jim Lachey, T Henry Lawrence, G/T Mark May, G/T/C Randall McDaniel, G Max Montoya, G Marvin Powell, T Steve Wisniewski, G Defensive Linemen Ray Childress, DT/DE Richard Dent, DE Chris Doleman, DE/LB Carl "Big Daddy" Hairston, DE/DT Charles Haley, DE/LB Ed “Too Tall” Jones, DE Cortez Kennedy, DT Joe Klecko, DE/DT/NT Steve McMichael, DT/NT Leslie O’Neal, DE John Randle, DE/DT Fred Smerlas, NT Bruce Smith, DE Art Still, DE Dana Stubblefield, DT Linebackers Jessie Armstead Cornelius Bennett Robert Brazile Kevin Greene (also DE) Ken Harvey Rickey Jackson Tom Jackson Clay Matthews Karl Mecklenburg Sam Mills Hardy Nickerson Chris Spielman Pat Swilling Darryl Talley Derrick Thomas Defensive Backs Eric Allen, CB Steve Atwater, S Joey Browner, S LeRoy Butler, S Deron Cherry, S Raymond Clayborn, CB Kenny Easley, S Lester Hayes, CB Albert Lewis, CB Ken Riley, CB Eugene Robinson, S Donnie Shell, S Darren Woodson, S Rod Woodson, CB/S Louis Wright, CB Kickers, Punters & Special Teams Rich Camarillo, P Ray Guy, P Nick Lowery, K Reggie Roby, P Steve Tasker, ST/WR Coaches Don Coryell Tom Flores Jimmy Johnson Chuck Knox Buddy Parker Dan Reeves Clark Shaughnessy Contributors Bud Adams, Owner Gil Brandt, Administrator C.O. Brocato, Scout Leo Carlin, Administrator Ed DeBartolo, Jr., Owner Ben Dreith, Official Bob Harlan, Administrator Jerry Jones, Owner Art Modell, Owner Art Rooney, Jr. Administrator Ed Sabol, NFL Films Steve Sabol, NFL Films Paul Tagliabue, Commissioner Ralph Wilson, Jr., Owner
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