Frez Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 Giants Titans Steelers They all play high intensity football for 60 minutes. They come to win the game and smack you in the mouth with a very good defense. From what I have seen from Buffalo this year so far, Buffalo is not on the same level as the 3 teams I mentioned above. Buffalo is still lacking a few major ingredients to make a serious SB run. What I see as the most glaring needs on this team are... Pass Catching Tight End, something we have lacked since Jay Remersmia left. Has anyone been watching Marc Cambell down in New Orleans? A Defensive End who contributes and is feared by opposing offenses every week. Another Defensive Tackle who can do more than just take up space and get after the QB and STOP the run. Lee Evans needs a WR opposite of him who can handle the slack when Lee is the main focus of the opposing defense. A DEFENSE that is feared by opposing offenses would be nice to see in Buffalo. Remember when Bryce Paup was here and Chris Spielman? Not saying any of our players can't do the job, it's just they haven't stepped up and shown they can handle the job in Buffalo to fill the voids on this team. Only a few voids to fill and I'm hoping next years draft / free agency can do just that. GO BILLS! I want to see the Jets DIE HARD next week in Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 GiantsTitans Steelers They all play high intensity football for 60 minutes. They come to win the game and smack you in the mouth with a very good defense. From what I have seen from Buffalo this year so far, Buffalo is not on the same level as the 3 teams I mentioned above. Buffalo is still lacking a few major ingredients to make a serious SB run. What I see as the most glaring needs on this team are... Pass Catching Tight End, something we have lacked since Jay Remersmia left. Has anyone been watching Marc Cambell down in New Orleans? A Defensive End who contributes and is feared by opposing offense games plans every week. Another Defensive Tackle who can do more than just take up space and get after the QB and STOP the run. Lee Evans needs a WR opposite of him who can handle the slack when Lee is the main focus of the opposing defense. A DEFENSE that is feared by opposing offenses would be nice to see in Buffalo. Remember when Bryce Paup was here and Chris Spielman? Not saying any of our players can't do the job, it's just they haven't stepped up and shown they can handle the job in Buffalo to fill the voids on this team. Only a few voids to fill and I'm hoping next years draft / free agency can do just that. GO BILLS! I want to see the Jets DIE HARD next week in Buffalo. Teams take on the personality of their coaches. Contrast Jauron with Coughlin, Fisher and Tomlin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frez Posted October 28, 2008 Author Share Posted October 28, 2008 Teams take on the personality of their coaches. Contrast Jauron with Coughlin, Fisher and Tomlin. You could be right about that but I'm not positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowtippur Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 I think I would have to put Carolina on the list instead of Steelers. Pitt can't pass block, going to get Ben killed. Buffalo, despite last week, is still on the rise and not far off the list though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santoro770 Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 A DEFENSE that is feared by opposing offenses would be nice to see in Buffalo. Remember when Bryce Paup was here and Chris Spielman? There's the Bryce Paup reference!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frez Posted October 29, 2008 Author Share Posted October 29, 2008 I think I would have to put Carolina on the list instead of Steelers. Pitt can't pass block, going to get Ben killed.Buffalo, despite last week, is still on the rise and not far off the list though. Forgot all about the Panthers. I haven't seen them play once this year. John Fox doing a great job with them I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 They have him, his name is James Hardy. Granted so far he's done very little, besides having the winning catch in the Jax game, but you can't panic and keep giving up on people after one or two years and use more draft picks. If the Bills need to use a high draft pick next year for that purpose, you just wated a pick the prior year. Hardy could turn out to be a bust, but no one knows for at least two year plus years. It's easy to say a certain player is a bust, in fact if you claim every player drafted is a bust, you'd look pretty smart as the success rate is probably less than 50/50. When teams keep drafting replacements for other recent picks, they never get ahead, look at Detroit, and to a lesser degree, the Bill's over the past number of years. Lee Evans needs a WR opposite of him who can handle the slack when Lee is the main focus of the opposing defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frez Posted October 29, 2008 Author Share Posted October 29, 2008 They have him, his name is James Hardy. Granted so far he's done very little, besides having the winning catch in the Jax game, but you can't panic and keep giving up on people after one or two years and use more draft picks. If the Bills need to use a high draft pick next year for that purpose, you just wated a pick the prior year. Hardy could turn out to be a bust, but no one knows for at least two year plus years. It's easy to say a certain player is a bust, in fact if you claim every player drafted is a bust, you'd look pretty smart as the success rate is probably less than 50/50. When teams keep drafting replacements for other recent picks, they never get ahead, look at Detroit, and to a lesser degree, the Bill's over the past number of years. Hardy is obviously not ready to take over the #2 spot on this team YET. Buffalo could have used Roy Williams eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 You're probably right as we haven't seen enough of him to say for certain. Likely the reasonn we haven't seen much of him is: a: he's not ready b: They have someone esle in Reed who is better Well b is eliminated for a few weeks, so lets see what he can do. You don't know for certain, forcing him to practice with the starters, etc, he may come on quickly. Regardless I certainly wouldn't draft another one to become the potential starter. Cetainly, they need a TE, personally rather than get a DE, I'd rather se them pick up on OLB who is a pass rushing star, like a Bryce Paup when he was here. In addition, an interior lineman, either a center or guard. Hardy is obviously not ready to take over the #2 spot on this team YET. Buffalo could have used Roy Williams eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 GiantsTitans Steelers They all play high intensity football for 60 minutes. They come to win the game and smack you in the mouth with a very good defense. From what I have seen from Buffalo this year so far, Buffalo is not on the same level as the 3 teams I mentioned above. Buffalo is still lacking a few major ingredients to make a serious SB run. What I see as the most glaring needs on this team are... Pass Catching Tight End, something we have lacked since Jay Remersmia left. Has anyone been watching Marc Cambell down in New Orleans? A Defensive End who contributes and is feared by opposing offenses every week. Another Defensive Tackle who can do more than just take up space and get after the QB and STOP the run. Lee Evans needs a WR opposite of him who can handle the slack when Lee is the main focus of the opposing defense. A DEFENSE that is feared by opposing offenses would be nice to see in Buffalo. Remember when Bryce Paup was here and Chris Spielman? Not saying any of our players can't do the job, it's just they haven't stepped up and shown they can handle the job in Buffalo to fill the voids on this team. Only a few voids to fill and I'm hoping next years draft / free agency can do just that. GO BILLS! I want to see the Jets DIE HARD next week in Buffalo. The arizona cards--despite their record--are a close 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Teams take on the personality of their coaches. Contrast Jauron with Coughlin, Fisher and Tomlin. On the other hand, try to contrast Jauron with Tony Dungy. Pretty difficult to do, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frez Posted October 29, 2008 Author Share Posted October 29, 2008 The arizona cards--despite their record--are a close 4th. The Cards have a hard time winning games on the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Teams take on the personality of their coaches. Contrast Jauron with Coughlin, Fisher and Tomlin. Marv Levy? A lot of WR's don't do well until there second year. I'm not ready to write him off yet. The Bills can bring him along slowly because before Reed got hurt they could use him sparingly. He also had a case of the dropsies early on but he seems to be getting better. Ellis is the guy who really concerns me. I have some concerns with McKelvin but I'm willing to wait til next year to see what he can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoveldog Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Cetainly, they need a TE, personally rather than get a DE, I'd rather se them pick up on OLB who is a pass rushing star, like a Bryce Paup when he was here. In addition, an interior lineman, either a center or guard. I'm not picking on you, but I've seen this on the board in several places. Does nobody understand that we play a 4-3 defense? Your OLB's in a 4-3 are not supposed to be pass rushing stars. When teams play a 3-4, they rely on that pass rushing OLB (i.e. why Joey Porter is "suddenly" effective again playing in Miami.) He was stuck in a 4-3 scheme and it didn' suit his strengths. A 4-3 relys on the DE's to get the up field push on the outside to sack the QB. Our problem isn't at OLB, it's at DE. Our DE's are average to slightly above average but none are game changers. The same goes for all the "Whitner Sucks" folks here. They see a player not standing out like insert productive player name here from XYZ team, but they don't understand our scheme and how it relates to a player's duties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyPage Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 I think I would have to put Carolina on the list instead of Steelers. Pitt can't pass block, going to get Ben killed.Buffalo, despite last week, is still on the rise and not far off the list though. I wouldn't put the steelers up there either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 I'm not picking on you, but I've seen this on the board in several places. Does nobody understand that we play a 4-3 defense? Your OLB's in a 4-3 are not supposed to be pass rushing stars. When teams play a 3-4, they rely on that pass rushing OLB (i.e. why Joey Porter is "suddenly" effective again playing in Miami.) He was stuck in a 4-3 scheme and it didn' suit his strengths. A 4-3 relys on the DE's to get the up field push on the outside to sack the QB. Our problem isn't at OLB, it's at DE. Our DE's are average to slightly above average but none are game changers. The same goes for all the "Whitner Sucks" folks here. They see a player not standing out like insert productive player name here from XYZ team, but they don't understand our scheme and how it relates to a player's duties. Totally agree with you about OLBs in our scheme. But if you look at safeties on teams running similar schemes (Colts, Bucs, Bears), they all make plays. Whitner does a lot of tackling and is a very solid, above average guy, but not an impact guy, and those other teams show that you can have an impact safety while running the Tampa Two. But we don't. Not sure yet that the Titans belong up there with the Giants and Steelers. They still haven't played enough good teams to make me believe they're in the upper elite. You have to love their consistency, though. Our Miami game showed how difficult it is to simply be consistent in this league. The Titans are doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLynchTrain Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 I'm not picking on you, but I've seen this on the board in several places. Does nobody understand that we play a 4-3 defense? Your OLB's in a 4-3 are not supposed to be pass rushing stars. When teams play a 3-4, they rely on that pass rushing OLB (i.e. why Joey Porter is "suddenly" effective again playing in Miami.) He was stuck in a 4-3 scheme and it didn' suit his strengths. A 4-3 relys on the DE's to get the up field push on the outside to sack the QB. Our problem isn't at OLB, it's at DE. Our DE's are average to slightly above average but none are game changers. The same goes for all the "Whitner Sucks" folks here. They see a player not standing out like insert productive player name here from XYZ team, but they don't understand our scheme and how it relates to a player's duties. Ehh I understand what you are saying but not entirely true. Just because its a 4-3 defense doesn't mean you can't have pass rushing specialists as LBs on your team. For example, Seattle runs a 4-3 and Julian Peterson is their pass rushing threat opposite Pat Kerney. You are correct in what you say about scheme though, and our defensive scheme and Seattle's hardly match. But it wouldn't hurt to have a guy that has the talent to rush the QB at the LB position; that talent doesn't doesn't always have to go hand in hand with scheme....we could still get a guy that would get 6-7 sacks a year that might get 10-12 in a 3-4. Where scheme plays a factor is the speed of the guy...our tampa 2 relies on fast speedy LBs (that would have a tougher time blitzing regularly), and most 3-4 LBs are twice the size of Schobel. You did bring up some good points though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Ehh I understand what you are saying but not entirely true. Just because its a 4-3 defense doesn't mean you can't have pass rushing specialists as LBs on your team. For example, Seattle runs a 4-3 and Julian Peterson is their pass rushing threat opposite Pat Kerney. You are correct in what you say about scheme though, and our defensive scheme and Seattle's hardly match. But it wouldn't hurt to have a guy that has the talent to rush the QB at the LB position; that talent doesn't doesn't always have to go hand in hand with scheme....we could still get a guy that would get 6-7 sacks a year that might get 10-12 in a 3-4. Where scheme plays a factor is the speed of the guy...our tampa 2 relies on fast speedy LBs (that would have a tougher time blitzing regularly), and most 3-4 LBs are twice the size of Schobel. You did bring up some good points though. FWIW, Mitchell - an OLB - has been the Bills best pass rusher *by far* this year, especially considering that he doesn't even rush on a lot of plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreakPop Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Buffalo is not close to elite. They have gotten fat off weak compitition. Moss will get off a against them, the Colts would destroy the Bills and win by 20, I wouldn't be surprised if Favre had 300 yards and 3 TDs this week. I love the Bills and want to think they are legit but in reality they are a poser. Once their young guys grow up and they get more experience they will be better, next year and the years after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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