Obama Exposed, in his own words

[Lurker]

I understand the trickle down theory and sometimes in the past, especially under Ronald Regan, it worked. However, the same process (cutting taxes for the uber wealthy to promote economic growth) utterly failed under GW Bush.

 

Now Obama wants to reverse these tax cuts, raise them a bit for a small minority of rich individuals and companies, bring back the capital gains rate to essentially the same rates as under Clinton, while cutting taxes for the vast majority of Americans. But that's socialism, communism, redistributing the wealth and God knows whatever other evil things are going to happen.

 

So you (collectively) want to continue to give tax relief to those that need it the least and continue to tax those that can't make ends meet at the same rate, and that's perfectly ok?

 

I don't get it, I really don't.

Neither do 95% of the people at McCain rallies, but that doesn't stop them from being angry at the world...

[The Big Cat]

This whole distribution of wealth argument is completely absurd. Firstly, because it's not a DISRIBUTION, it's RE-distribution. Republicans are having a field day using the terms "distribution of wealth" as a way of labeling Obama a socialist vis a vis the dreaded word "distribution." Too bad for them, there are voters in this country who understand that wealth is and has been distributed here in America for quite some time. Bush/McCain advocate for wealth to be distributed to THE TOP, Obama is a champion for the BOTTOM. Now, since we live in a world where there are far far more people on the bottom, then it's really not hard to discern whose philosophies for WEALTH DISTRIBUTION benefit more people.

 

The talking points about hurting small businesses who then can't make new hires is totally bogus. The only people that stand to be "hurt" by Obama's policies are those who are not scrimping to get by. There's a difference between not having the money to choose which luxury SVU you desire and not having the money to eat. Obama's policies are designed to help the latter at the expense of the former. I'm not saying I agree that's the way it should be (certainly not in an ACTUAL capitalist society where the state's only function is to protect its citizens from force) but consider:

 

For a country that prides itself on Christianity, we too often conveniently ignore the words of the Gospel (Mark 25:40) which say a society is only as good as its treatment of its lowest members.

 

EDIT: I keep reading and hearing this GOP folks saying "gotcha!" (the link youtube link to start this thread, for example), but Obama really doesn't hide the fact that he wants to give more money to poor people at the expense of giving LESS money to rich people.

 

Why does the phrase "smoking gun" even appear in this thread? It's part of his campaign platform! He's not ashamed of it!

[ExiledInIllinois]

I understand the trickle down theory and sometimes in the past, especially under Ronald Regan, it worked. However, the same process (cutting taxes for the uber wealthy to promote economic growth) utterly failed under GW Bush.

 

Now Obama wants to reverse these tax cuts, raise them a bit for a small minority of rich individuals and companies, bring back the capital gains rate to essentially the same rates as under Clinton, while cutting taxes for the vast majority of Americans. But that's socialism, communism, redistributing the wealth and God knows whatever other evil things are going to happen.

 

So you (collectively) want to continue to give tax relief to those that need it the least and continue to tax those that can't make ends meet at the same rate, and that's perfectly ok?

 

I don't get it, I really don't.

 

It is like toll booths (the tax cuts)... Once they go up, they don't come down... In the end, the flow on the road suffers.

[1billsfan]

Did Britian cease to exist?

 

Good, leave and don't let them come back. Somebody will fill the void that puts American responsibility and accountability first.

 

We need good stewards in gov't for the people and in business for the consumer.

 

 

How's that big government taxation plan working for New York State? They left and STILL haven't come back...

 

 

http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/tax...2005/index.html

 

http://hvscouts.com/articles/upstateyouthdrain.html

 

 

Under Obama you could see American businesses and citizens fleeing this country because they'll be tired of the Obama socialist government taking a huge portion of their hard earned profits to line their pockets, fatten the government and make so called "reparations".

[StupidNation]

The funny part is dopes like you and Elegant Idiot think you are going to benefit from it.

 

Wait until we hit "C" credit with the world, they aren't buying our treasury notes, and we have to "cut" their precious little welfare state.

 

We haven't starved in this country in a while, soon we will, and to be honest it won't make a difference because the Rs and the Ds were liberal with spending.

[The Big Cat]

How's that big government taxation plan working for New York State? They left and STILL haven't come back...

 

 

http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/tax...2005/index.html

 

http://hvscouts.com/articles/upstateyouthdrain.html

 

 

Under Obama you could see American businesses and citizens fleeing this country because they'll be tired of the Obama socialist government taking a huge portion of their hard earned profits to line their pockets, fatten the government and make so called "reparations".

 

OMFG YOU DID NOT INTENTIONALLY JUST INCITE RACE BY PUTTING QUOTES AROUND THE WORD 'REPARATIONS!'

 

UNBELIEVABLE

 

Also, your links are totally bogus. There's these things in America called "major cities." The biggest one is in the state of New York. Since "non-major cities" have no business infrastructure to speak of (largely because the middle class that comprises them has been stagnant for the past 15 years), young people (like myself) move to "major cities."

[ExiledInIllinois]

How's that big government taxation plan working for New York State? They left and STILL haven't come back...

 

 

http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/tax...2005/index.html

 

http://hvscouts.com/articles/upstateyouthdrain.html

 

 

Under Obama you could see American businesses and citizens fleeing this country because they'll be tired of the Obama socialist government taking a huge portion of their hard earned profits to line their pockets, fatten the government and make so called "reparations".

 

I mean, don't let their products back into the states... Said company makes said product in the US, then moves it overseas... Said company can't sell product in the US.

 

Protectionism at its finest.

 

Now, if they allow a free flow of labor... I will reconsider.

[In-A-Gadda-Levitre]

It is like toll booths (the tax cuts)... Once they go up, they don't come down... In the end, the flow on the road suffers.

While maybe that's true in some cases, it's pretty clear that Obama will "take down" the Bush tax cuts. Will Obama's middle class tax cuts come down, that remains to be seen...

[drnykterstein]

Wait until we hit "C" credit with the world, they aren't buying our treasury notes, and we have to "cut" their precious little welfare state.

 

We haven't starved in this country in a while, soon we will, and to be honest it won't make a difference because the Rs and the Ds were liberal with spending.

 

So basically what you are saying is you have run out of real critisisms of Obama, and have resorted to imaginary assumptions that you think might happen, with no real reason or research?

[Lurker]

How's that big government taxation plan working for New York State? They left and STILL haven't come back...

 

New York's corporate tax rate ranks 22nd nationally according to the Tax Foundation. The major problem is local taxes, which are more than 50% above the U.S. mean, due to excessive spending on local school districts and multiple layers of county/town/village goverment.

 

Under Obama you could see American businesses and citizens fleeing this country because they'll be tired of the Obama socialist government taking a huge portion of their hard earned profits

Yep, everyone's going to move to Ireland. Just like they did in the 1970s....

[1billsfan]

OMFG YOU DID NOT INTENTIONALLY JUST INCITE RACE BY PUTTING QUOTES AROUND THE WORD 'REPARATIONS!'

 

UNBELIEVABLE

 

Also, your links are totally bogus. There's these things in America called "major cities." The biggest one is in the state of New York. Since "non-major cities" have no business infrastructure to speak of (largely because the middle class that comprises them has been stagnant for the past 15 years), young people (like myself) move to "major cities."

 

 

That's my point, what does he MEAN by making REPARATIONS? Does he mean that, in 2008 Americans citizens should pay for the sins of slavery? I certainly don't believe that, DO YOU???? No one can question Obama so I guess we'll just have to wait and see what he means after his coronation.

 

Go ahead and stick your head in the sand, New York STATE has lost TON of jobs because of the big government tax and spend method of operation. It's not bogus, IT'S A FACT. It's never been a successful plan.

[YellowLinesandArmadillos]

That's my point, what does he MEAN by making REPARATIONS? Does he mean that, in 2008 Americans citizens should pay for the sins of slavery? I certainly don't believe that, DO YOU???? No one can question Obama so I guess we'll just have to wait and see what he means after his coronation.

 

Go ahead and stick your head in the sand, New York STATE has lost TON of jobs because of the big government tax and spend method of operation. It's not bogus, IT'S A FACT. It's never been a successful plan.

 

And not spending enough has left us with states with such well educated and business successful populations like Oklahoma and Eastern, Kentucky, and Mississippi to name a few. Please, get off your big government carp... it is stinking.

 

We need responsive government that is reasonably funded. That doesn't mean get rid of it like you lemmings on the right state, nor does it mean just throw money at it either like both sides seem to do when it is something they approve or are trying to take care of their own like in Alaska, or in New York where every small level of government claims legitimacy and grabs a piece of the pie. The public educational system in NY is great, the local business taxes suck. There had to be a happy medium and some accountability, but doing away with the service doesn't accomplish anything and is too easy an excuse to sit on your but and complain without trying to be part of the solution. Get over your self.

[The Big Cat]

That's my point, what does he MEAN by making REPARATIONS? Does he mean that, in 2008 Americans citizens should pay for the sins of slavery? I certainly don't believe that, DO YOU???? No one can question Obama so I guess we'll just have to wait and see what he means after his coronation.

 

Go ahead and stick your head in the sand, New York STATE has lost TON of jobs because of the big government tax and spend method of operation. It's not bogus, IT'S A FACT. It's never been a successful plan.

 

Well, I didn't see anywhere in either of your links where Obama was quoted using the word "reparation." May be in his NPR interview, but that one was a big swing in a miss for you Commie Hakws, soy ou grasping to a WORD while your argument bombs is actually sort of laughable.

 

Regarding the loss of jobs- do you really think it's that simple? And if it is, and you're talking exclusively about New York STATE, and not America, then I suggest you follow your gubinerial election a little closer next time. As for your whittling down of all the reasons for job loss to taxes and taxes only, I'm not stupid enough to buy that argument.

[bills_fan_in_raleigh]

Its interesting that this youtube comes out today, McCain is talking about it on the trail and Limbaugh is ranting about it how Obama is the one that taught Ayers and Wright the disdain they have for the constitution and america. :lol:

[IDBillzFan]

Its interesting that this youtube comes out today, McCain is talking about it on the trail and Limbaugh is ranting about it how Obama is the one that taught Ayers and Wright the disdain they have for the constitution and america. :lol:

It's all a misunderstanding. I wouldn't worry about it. If I were you, I'd be more curious about the five scenarios in which the world will test Obama when he's elected president. We're t-minus eight months from attack, and I'm not sure what we should do to prepare. Are they only telling liberals, or will we all be told after the election?

[outsidethebox]

It's all a misunderstanding. I wouldn't worry about it. If I were you, I'd be more curious about the five scenarios in which the world will test Obama when he's elected president. We're t-minus eight months from attack, and I'm not sure what we should do to prepare. Are they only telling liberals, or will we all be told after the election?

Slow down there LA. First things first. Do you know the secret handshake? Learn that and we'll go from there.

[elegantelliotoffen]

It's all a misunderstanding. I wouldn't worry about it. If I were you, I'd be more curious about the five scenarios in which the world will test Obama when he's elected president. We're t-minus eight months from attack, and I'm not sure what we should do to prepare. Are they only telling liberals, or will we all be told after the election?

 

McCain won't even have the opportunity to be tested. All our adversaries would have to do is wait until after 5pm when Ol' Barleyfarts has already been tucked in for the night and they'll have free reign over the world!

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

It's all a misunderstanding. I wouldn't worry about it. If I were you, I'd be more curious about the five scenarios in which the world will test Obama when he's elected president. We're t-minus eight months from attack, and I'm not sure what we should do to prepare. Are they only telling liberals, or will we all be told after the election?

 

Who exactly is attacking us in 8 months?