Boomer860 Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Its Mike Ditka's fault. If he would havee run for senator in Ill. He would have won. Who knows where Obama would have been.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan_in_raleigh Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 It is stuff like this that gives me much larger concern for our country. We have become a very polarized and divided nation. Amazin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribo Posted October 21, 2008 Author Share Posted October 21, 2008 It is stuff like this that gives me much larger concern for our country. We have become a very polarized and divided nation. Amazin. I agree that is terrible and disheartening. I suppose you think such horrible acts are new or even unique to this country? Would you have posted this if the dead bear was covered with McCain signs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molson_golden2002 Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 I agree that is terrible and disheartening. I suppose you think such horrible acts are new or even unique to this country? Would you have posted this if the dead bear was covered with McCain signs? Obama supporters don't mrder innocent bears! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan_in_raleigh Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 I agree that is terrible and disheartening. I suppose you think such horrible acts are new or even unique to this country? Would you have posted this if the dead bear was covered with McCain signs? Yes I would have posted about any sort of act like this. No these are not new and unique just that we seem to be degrading every election cycle. Its bad enough idiots stoop to stealing signs of any candidate or defacing a car because of a bumper sticker. The hate isn't just in politics I had my car keyed with what looked to be Jets by some moron who didnt like all my bills stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molson_golden2002 Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Reported from St. Charles, Mo. -- Two days after Barack Obama drew 100,000 supporters to a rally in St. Louis, John McCain attracted about 2,500 people to a field in this nearby suburb Monday, a visible symbol of the challenge the Republican nominee faces in this crucial state. http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na...0,4572652.story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Coli Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Saw a piece on the MSNBC website comparing this election with the one in '92, with respect to the economy. Comparing 2008 to 1992 is probably foolish, but I think the original post in this thread highlights some of the paranoia that McCain/Palin are tapping into, and I believe there is some minor comparison to the black helicopter/blue helmet/militia nuts that became pretty conspicuous in the mid-90s. The pulse of the far-Right today is eerily similar to that of the early 90's. Paranoia, accepting outrageous lies as fact, shouting "socialist," "treason" and "terrorist" at rallys, hoarding guns, viscerally anti-government, cases of racism, xenophobia. While an Obama win will be good for America, I do believe it will push some nuts over the edge. How that will manifest itself is anybody's guess, but the McCain/Palin rallys don't suggest that these people are going to take having an African-American, left-leaning President quietly. Are the McCain/Palin rallies whipping up a new cohort of Randy Weavers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murra Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Yes, I've considered that very carefully, and as I showed in the original post on this thread, it is clear that Obama indeed favors socialism and has associated himself with terrible people on a somewhat regular basis leading up to his journey to Washington. It's almost impossible to get this point across. People consistently reject it. It's not a simple cry out of conservatism here, Obama is worse of a character for America than Bush. Unfortunately its not "cool" to hate on Obama, or exploit his wrongdoings like the media has done for about 10 years with Bush. I think that finding justifications for how Obama is socialist is considerably easier than those who are claiming that he is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribo Posted October 21, 2008 Author Share Posted October 21, 2008 Saw a piece on the MSNBC website comparing this election with the one in '92, with respect to the economy. Comparing 2008 to 1992 is probably foolish, but I think the original post in this thread highlights some of the paranoia that McCain/Palin are tapping into, and I believe there is some minor comparison to the black helicopter/blue helmet/militia nuts that became pretty conspicuous in the mid-90s. The pulse of the far-Right today is eerily similar to that of the early 90's. Paranoia, accepting outrageous lies as fact, shouting "socialist," "treason" and "terrorist" at rallys, hoarding guns, viscerally anti-government, cases of racism, xenophobia. While an Obama win will be good for America, I do believe it will push some nuts over the edge. How that will manifest itself is anybody's guess, but the McCain/Palin rallys don't suggest that these people are going to take having an African-American, left-leaning President quietly. How are the McCain/Palin rallies suggesting racist feelings? Last time I checked, the terrorist talked about the most in this election is white. The thing about this election I am most tired of is the implication that opposing Obama means you are racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 It's almost impossible to get this point across. People consistently reject it. It's not a simple cry out of conservatism here, Obama is worse of a character for America than Bush. Unfortunately its not "cool" to hate on Obama, or exploit his wrongdoings like the media has done for about 10 years with Bush. I think that finding justifications for how Obama is socialist is considerably easier than those who are claiming that he is not. Name me one thing that Obama has actually done besides listen to someone who may or may not be a bad guy. Has he ever hurt any one? Has he ever done or even said anything that resembles un-American activities? Has he broken any laws as an adult? Everything that people complain about is just association. Because he is in the same room and listens to people. Do you think that Barack Obama is a terrorist? A terrorist sympathizer? Hates America? Name me something that he has ever done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribo Posted October 21, 2008 Author Share Posted October 21, 2008 It's almost impossible to get this point across. People consistently reject it. It's not a simple cry out of conservatism here, Obama is worse of a character for America than Bush. Unfortunately its not "cool" to hate on Obama, or exploit his wrongdoings like the media has done for about 10 years with Bush. I think that finding justifications for how Obama is socialist is considerably easier than those who are claiming that he is not. Agreed. The reason it is next to impossible to reach Obama supporters with this accurate and important message is that most of the Obama supporters are really Bush-haters who will vote against the GOP regardless of who they are voting for. The real failure in this election was the Democrats' carelessness in allowing Obama to beat Clinton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribo Posted October 21, 2008 Author Share Posted October 21, 2008 Name me one thing that Obama has actually done besides listen to someone who may or may not be a bad guy. Has he ever hurt any one? Has he ever done or even said anything that resembles un-American activities? Has he broken any laws as an adult? Everything that people complain about is just association. Because he is in the same room and listens to people. Do you think that Barack Obama is a terrorist? A terrorist sympathizer? Hates America? Name me something that he has ever done. I know you were directing your reply to murra, but I should answer too as murra was replying to my post. I am not saying Obama is necessarily a terrorist sympathizer. I am saying it appear that he has been willing to accept help from some people of character that I would describe as heinous. The original post in this thread names a lot more than one thing that should make people have doubts about who Obama really is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murra Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Agreed. The reason it is next to impossible to reach Obama supporters with this accurate and important message is that most of the Obama supporters are really Bush-haters who will vote against the GOP regardless of who they are voting for. The real failure in this election was the Democrats' carelessness in allowing Obama to beat Clinton. It's a shame really. I was doing some volunteer work for Tom Reynolds when I was still in Buffalo, and I remember I went door-to-door to homes which had a registered republican. All was well, and then I hit one street where all the registered republicans had turned against their party. Each time they failed to recognize that I was campaigning for Reynolds, and displaying interest as their constituency representative. Each house on this street had apparently become obsessed with Bush-hating, and in response to everything I said, they made an anti-bush related comment. What I took from that day was that the street (for whatever reason) had all succumbed to the unfortuanate Bush-bashing that our media presented us. Because of this, without really understanding why, they abandoned their reasons and their political alignments. From this I understood that one, the "American" is extremely hypocritical, and two, once you're brainwashed you can't go back. As far as hypocritical goes (and this is where I love that people hate bush), everyone pretty much was behind Bush after September 11th and his voyage to Afghanistan. It was a unified America. It's so sad that people don't become American until something so drastic and devastating occurs. Regardless, they were all pro-war. Then a few liberals decide they like terrorist rights, and one thing leads to another, and the media coherts us into believing only Bush wanted to go to war. Things like this upset me, but it seems to be a little bit of a trend in America. It takes something serious for us to get riled up. Sometimes we chose the correct response, but sometimes we don't (FDR) and it fails us for a long, long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomer860 Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 It is stuff like this that gives me much larger concern for our country. We have become a very polarized and divided nation. Amazin. The media loves division , its good for business, and really thats whats its all about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elegantelliotoffen Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 It's a shame really. I was doing some volunteer work for Tom Reynolds when I was still in Buffalo, and I remember I went door-to-door to homes which had a registered republican. All was well, and then I hit one street where all the registered republicans had turned against their party. Each time they failed to recognize that I was campaigning for Reynolds, and displaying interest as their constituency representative. Each house on this street had apparently become obsessed with Bush-hating, and in response to everything I said, they made an anti-bush related comment. What I took from that day was that the street (for whatever reason) had all succumbed to the unfortuanate Bush-bashing that our media presented us. Because of this, without really understanding why, they abandoned their reasons and their political alignments. From this I understood that one, the "American" is extremely hypocritical, and two, once you're brainwashed you can't go back. As far as hypocritical goes (and this is where I love that people hate bush), everyone pretty much was behind Bush after September 11th and his voyage to Afghanistan. It was a unified America. It's so sad that people don't become American until something so drastic and devastating occurs. Regardless, they were all pro-war. Then a few liberals decide they like terrorist rights, and one thing leads to another, and the media coherts us into believing only Bush wanted to go to war. Things like this upset me, but it seems to be a little bit of a trend in America. It takes something serious for us to get riled up. Sometimes we chose the correct response, but sometimes we don't (FDR) and it fails us for a long, long time. What crazy people! God forbid they think independently and disapprove of a president. They should fall into line no matter what! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murra Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 What crazy people! God forbid they think independently and disapprove of a president. They should fall into line no matter what! Why did you take that from what I wrote? I worked hard to write it out in a manner that would help you understand my distaste in the irrational bush-hating by telling a story. I don't care that they were anti-bush and left their party. I care that they didn't know why. They just responded with simple retorts that did not justify reason to not vote Reynolds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribo Posted October 21, 2008 Author Share Posted October 21, 2008 What crazy people! God forbid they think independently and disapprove of a president. They should fall into line no matter what! Your statement defines the problem we are speaking of. Tom Reynolds does not equal George W. Bush simply because they are both Republicans. I have not liked GWB since he was elected because of the tactics he used to defeat McCain back in the 2000 primaries. Hell, McCain didn't like Bush because of that. Now, eight years later, it looks like Bush is going to defeat McCain again. A vote against Bush does not have to mean a vote for Obama. Bush isn't running any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Why did you take that from what I wrote? I'm no mind reader but I'm guessing it was this: "What I took from that day was that the street (for whatever reason) had all succumbed to the unfortuanate Bush-bashing that our media presented us. Because of this, without really understanding why, they abandoned their reasons and their political alignments. From this I understood that one, the "American" is extremely hypocritical, and two, once you're brainwashed you can't go back." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murra Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Your statement defines the problem we are speaking of. Tom Reynolds does not equal George W. Bush simply because they are both Republicans. I have not liked GWB since he was elected because of the tactics he used to defeat McCain back in the 2000 primaries. Hell, McCain didn't like Bush because of that. Now, eight years later, it looks like Bush is going to defeat McCain again. A vote against Bush does not have to mean a vote for Obama. Bush isn't running any more. Amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elegantelliotoffen Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Why did you take that from what I wrote? I worked hard to write it out in a manner that would help you understand my distaste in the irrational bush-hating by telling a story. I don't care that they were anti-bush and left their party. I care that they didn't know why. They just responded with simple retorts that did not justify reason to not vote Reynolds. Did you ever consider that maybe they didn't enjoy having a complete stranger at their doorstep and were just a little bit irritated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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