VABills Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Look to Hawaii for an example of what will happen. Hawaii which is about as liberal Dem as you can get and even they have discoveered it isn't possible to even fund it for children, let alone the entire population. You offer universal health and companies and individuals who can afford will drop it and force folks to go on the government plan, making it more expensive and more taxes wil have to be taken from Joe the plumber to pay for this ever growing entitlement. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081017/ap_on_...d_health_hawaii Gov. Linda Lingle's administration cited budget shortfalls and other available health care options for eliminating funding for the program. A state official said families were dropping private coverage so their children would be eligible for the subsidized plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 You offer universal health and companies and individuals who can afford will drop it and force folks to go on the government plan, making it more expensive and more taxes wil have to be taken from Joe the plumber to pay for this ever growing entitlement. But Joe the plumber is rich and I'm not, so why should I care? Obama told me that only the rich people have to pay taxes and that will never change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 But Joe the plumber is rich and I'm not, so why should I care? Obama told me that only the rich people have to pay taxes and that will never change. Actually he said people making above $250,000 will see a tax increase. Everyone will still pay taxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Actually he said people making above $250,000 will see a tax increase. Everyone will still pay taxes. When did he say this? Last I heard, the middle class and below would get enough tax cuts that some 40% of the country wouldn't pay any income tax. That's hardly "everyone". Now admittedly, I haven't been following that particular issue too closely, so he may have Changed his plan without my hearing of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 When did he say this? Last I heard, the middle class and below would get enough tax cuts that some 40% of the country wouldn't pay any income tax. That's hardly "everyone". Now admittedly, I haven't been following that particular issue too closely, so he may have Changed his plan without my hearing of it. In the last debate those making under $250,000 will see virtually no tax increase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 In the last debate those making under $250,000 will see virtually no tax increase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Well the tax code does have its grey areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 But Joe the plumber is rich and I'm not, so why should I care? Obama told me that only the rich people have to pay taxes and that will never change. And Joe is a SCAB! And he owes backtaxes! And he has no license! And he's not even a plumber! Oh, sorry. What was the question again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 The existing government health care plan has already cost me $8000 directly out-of-pocket, when I had to pay to have my niece's badly broken hand surgically repaired after Medicaid refused her care (despite her being eligible and already enrolled). So, as government-sponsored health care has already cost me a ton of money, I'll pass thank you very much. People need to understand that the most noble of intentions do not translate to a good idea when the government's involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribo Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 In the last debate those making under $250,000 will see virtually no tax increase. How does that equate into "everyone else will still pay taxes" as your repl quoted here was replying to? The fact is Obama want to expand welfare through a very slimy rewrite of the tax laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 so he may have Changed his plan without my hearing of it. Excellent use of the symbol Medicaid refused her care (despite her being eligible and already enrolled). You mean a government run health care system can refuse care? That doesn't sound very universal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 You mean a government run health care system can refuse care? That doesn't sound very universal Medicaid technically isn't universal to begin with. But that's rather beside the point. I have yet to see anyone who advocates "universal" health care specify whether "universal" applies to the accessibility of health coverage or availability of the care. People never twig to the fact that those are two separate things, and there is no government program that will guarantee health care to everyone, short of federalizing the entire medical industry, including manufacture, R&D, education, and care. People will always be denied care, as long as there is any aspect of medicine is market-driven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 The real winners in Obama's tax plan are accountants, because pretty much everyone will have to hire one to do their taxes to take advantage of all the numerous small tax credits that are part of his plan that individuals and families will have to itemize or apply for. It's not nearly the giveaway that Republicans claim, and not nearly the relief that Democrats and Obama claims, unless you know how to take advantage of it (as well as other things like the break you get if you go to a community college, etc.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Coli Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 The real winners in Obama's tax plan are accountants, because pretty much everyone will have to hire one to do their taxes to take advantage of all the numerous small tax credits that are part of his plan that individuals and families will have to itemize or apply for. It's not nearly the giveaway that Republicans claim, and not nearly the relief that Democrats and Obama claims, unless you know how to take advantage of it (as well as other things like the break you get if you go to a community college, etc.) And they absolutely should, as the fee they pay is deductable the following year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 And they absolutely should, as the fee they pay is deductable the following year. See you learning all our dirtly little tricks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 And they absolutely should, as the fee they pay is deductable the following year. ...but it shouldn't be, because only the rich need tax advice, so why should they get tax deductions just for being rich? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Coli Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 ...but it shouldn't be, because only the rich need tax advice, so why should they get tax deductions just for being rich? Why should the capitalist swine get all the breaks? Accountants are a valuable weapon in the poor's fight to take your gold and turn your kids into homo's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Why should the capitalist swine get all the breaks? Accountants are a valuable weapon in the poor's fight to take your gold and turn your kids into homo's. In that case, there should be a government program to provide everyone with an accountant. It's a fundamental right, like happiness or television. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted October 17, 2008 Author Share Posted October 17, 2008 In that case, there should be a government program to provide everyone with an accountant. It's a fundamental right, like happiness, cigarettes, xbox, internet, computers, drugs, alchohol, healthcare, chili dogs or television. Fixed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typical TBD Guy Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 In that case, there should be a government program to provide everyone with an accountant. It's a fundamental right, like happiness or television. ...or owning a home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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