YellowLinesandArmadillos Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 I bet the plumber was born Canadian. Why else would he be so stupid? Of course Obama wasn't exactly born in the US either. Kinda like McCain's Panama, where is Van Halen when you need him.... Damn he sounded like a plant... figures. So this guys is either lying or is just unwilling to play by all the rules we folks have to. Sounds like Dick Cheney's idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Do people like you get to decide who's worthy? That sure makes me feel confident about the future. I'll start building my bunker tomorrow, rather than sleeping in... Do people like you decide who has too much money? What a freakin hypocrite! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Coli Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 20% of their income when many are only paying 10% or even nothing. If we stop giving them shiit they may just figure out how to fend for themselves. I figured it out and I'm not all that smart. A 20% tax for a person making 40k (reducing their net to 32k) is not the same as a person making 250k netting 200k. Furthermore, the person making 250k a year has far more options in changing his/her taxable income. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 So Joe the Plumber made $40,000 in 2006, according to divorce records dredged up by the Toledo Blade. Let’s say he’s had a good couple years since then and is now making $50 grand. Under Obama’s tax plan, Joe the Plumber — a single father of one — would get a $614 break on his taxes. That’s $213 more than he’d get from John McCain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowLinesandArmadillos Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Do people like you decide who has too much money? What a freakin hypocrite! Whatever, just don't lie about your profession, how much you make and play by the rules. I am betting that he knew exactly what his membership in the natural law party meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 A 20% tax for a person making 40k (reducing their net to 32k) is not the same as a person making 250k netting 200k. Furthermore, the person making 250k a year has far more options in changing his/her taxable income. It's exactly the same. They're both paying 20%, that's fair. And how does the person making $250k per year change their taxable income? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowLinesandArmadillos Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 It's exactly the same. They're both paying 20%, that's fair. And how does the person making $250k per year change their taxable income? Write off the state taxes including income. Interest right off on their home. If you work as a contractor, write off all equipment purchases and depreciate your vehicle and travel miles. Invest in a 401k and a medical savings account. There are probably a bunch more things, talk to an accountant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Write off the state taxes including income. Interest right off on their home. If you work as a contractor, write off all equipment purchases and depreciate your vehicle and travel miles. Invest in a 401k and a medical savings account. There are probably a bunch more things, talk to an accountant. No, we've mentioned a 20% flat tax with no deductions. I would hope they would still keep the qualified plan contribution deduction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan_in_raleigh Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 No, we've mentioned a 20% flat tax with no deductions. I would hope they would still keep the qualified plan contribution deduction. but now ya no longer have a flat tax. first you get your qualified plan deduction, da big man gets one for kiddies, joe six pack wants one for his business expenses and than ya end up were we are. If we had a true flat tax we could probably get rid of most of the IRS and replace by computers that just keep track of the money and for for what taxpayer it is coming in from. Companies would take the 20% and send directly to uncle sam, same with banks on interest, investment income etc. No need to file income tax returns or wait for checks or payments. I am betting many $ can be saved and may not even need 20% since everyone pays and we all pay equal %. Maybe the Oracle from Omaha will recommend this. Its easy to explain just like a church does with tithing however in this case everyone pays and everyone pays the same. Now I could get swayed such that low income may have a slight credit back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 A 20% tax for a person making 40k (reducing their net to 32k) is not the same as a person making 250k netting 200k. Furthermore, the person making 250k a year has far more options in changing his/her taxable income. Let me ask you a question Johnny. Let's just say for shiits and giggles you were making more money and Obama wanted to raise your taxes, would you be ok with that? And if so, why would you be ok. And this question goes to any of you socialist redistribution of wealth advocates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Let me ask you a question Johnny. Let's just say for shiits and giggles you were making more money and Obama wanted to raise your taxes, would you be ok with that? And if so, why would you be ok. And this question goes to any of you socialist redistribution of wealth advocates. How about we take the money from this guy and redistribute it. Seems he's got plenty to throw away. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbM9EP2G0LM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted October 17, 2008 Author Share Posted October 17, 2008 Do people like you decide who has too much money? Nope. That's the beauty of the American system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Do people like you get to decide who's worthy? That sure makes me feel confident about the future. I'll start building my bunker tomorrow, rather than sleeping in... The disconnect here is that you don't know anything about me, but suffice it to say, I've spent a good portion of my early life around welfare recipients. These are people who are down on their luck and just can't get any farther due, largely, to a series of bad decisions on their behalf. But they would get food stamps and welfare to get them by. It has been my (unfortunately) extensive experience that most of the time, free food and money does not inspire and motivate anything but apathy and laziness. I'm sorry if you don't understand that. It's just my opinion based on what I experienced first hand. But I do not see how giving a free check to people who don't pay taxes does anything other than help them want to do less so they can get more free money. Yes, some will take advantage of the situation, but many will not. And they pass that on to their children. Do nothing, get free stuff. The less you do, the more you get. Let the circle be unbroken. I can understand why you think the way you do. But you seem unable to try and understand why I think the way I do. I'm just wrong. I earn too much money. Despite what I donate and share, I must share more and not ask why and to whom it will go. Elitist pig in the house. Everyone run to their bunker. Now that's the American Dream, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 No, we've mentioned a 20% flat tax with no deductions. I would hope they would still keep the qualified plan contribution deduction. In my perfect world, the deduction would be part of a contributory retirement plan that supplements social security. Since the FICA tax is separate from the income tax, the 401k, etc deductions would offset those taxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Coli Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Let me ask you a question Johnny. Let's just say for shiits and giggles you were making more money and Obama wanted to raise your taxes, would you be ok with that? And if so, why would you be ok. And this question goes to any of you socialist redistribution of wealth advocates. I'm a scientist and my wife is a partner in a law firm. We also live in Boston. We probably pay more in taxes a year than 75% of the people on this message board. Not once have I bitched about taxes. Not once. There are fortunate people, and there are unfortunate people. We live in the greatest country in the world and if all it takes is a couple hundred dollars more from those of us who are fortunate, to make sure the mentally ill aren't thrown out onto the street, or a family without health insurance doesn't end up living in their car, or urban kids have some kind of after school programs then yeah, I'm totally cool with that. Because that's what we're talking here. In fact, even after all that, by the calculations we did with the information on the web, we'll actually pay less in taxes under Obama's plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 A guy making a quarter million dollar profit bitching about an extra $1400 tax is pretty obscene. Why should someone who creates his own wealth, hasn't inherited it, "spread it around?" Never understood this logic. If someone takes initiative and creates wealth for himself why should he share it with anyone? It's his. He created it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Coli Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Why should someone who creates his own wealth, hasn't inherited it, "spread it around?" Never understood this logic. If someone takes initiative and creates wealth for himself why should he share it with anyone? It's his. He created it. Because this country has 10 trillion dollars worth of debt, is fighting and paying for two wars, we are in the midst of an economic crisis and we have huge numbers of people out of work. Is it so much to ask, given that we live in the greatest country in the world, to help out the country that you "created" all that wealth in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Because this country has 10 trillion dollars worth of debt, is fighting and paying for two wars, we are in the midst of an economic crisis and we have huge numbers of people out of work. Is it so much to ask, given that we live in the greatest country in the world, to help out the country that you "created" all that wealth in? Yes, it is. Why is it MY problem that "huge numbers of (fat, lazy and entitlement-minded) people are out of work?" Having a job is not a right. Show me where the Constitution says it's the responsibility of the citizenry to ensure universal employment. Nowhere. Same thing with health care. When you redistribute wealth you destroy initiative. If someone can count on a monthly "pension" check from the motherment, they have ZERO initiative to work hard. See: France. Oh, and about the debt: if we weren't spending BILLIONS on NCLB, SS, Medicare, and the like, we would have a balanced budget. You know, by actually following what the Constitution says the gubmint should be doing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede316 Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Why should someone who creates his own wealth, hasn't inherited it, "spread it around?" Never understood this logic. If someone takes initiative and creates wealth for himself why should he share it with anyone? It's his. He created it. Amen brother! When I lived in San Diego while I was an E5 in the Navy, I lived in a poorer section of town (in between Lemon Grove and Downtown). I knew plenty of people on welfare or poor paying jobs. They all had cable TV, apartments, and plenty of weed. They seemed pretty content with their life and just happy to stay where they were at. Me, I've moved on to bigger, better things. No, no thank you...Please don't redistribute my wealth..I've earned it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Coli Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Yes, it is. Why is it MY problem that "huge numbers of (fat, lazy and entitlement-minded) people are out of work?" Having a job is not a right. Show me where the Constitution says it's the responsibility of the citizenry to ensure universal employment. Nowhere. Same thing with health care. When you redistribute wealth you destroy initiative. If someone can count on a monthly "pension" check from the motherment, they have ZERO initiative to work hard. See: France. Oh, and about the debt: if we weren't spending BILLIONS on NCLB, SS, Medicare, and the like, we would have a balanced budget. You know, by actually following what the Constitution says the gubmint should be doing... So you really don't give a crap about the country then. You'd rather hoarde your wealth while it all goes to sh-- around you. No money for cops. No money for firemen. No money for crime prevention programs, after school programs, extending unemployment benefits for people who lose their jobs. Basically you don't care. Hide behind the "personal responsibility" mantra, but the reality is you could give two craps about everyone else around you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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