IDBillzFan Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Joe the Plumber is just an average guy. Since he clearly didn't understand that a BUSINESS grossing 250k annually isn't the same as a SALARY of $250k, he probably shouldn't consider buying it anyway. Face it: Obama !@#$ed the golden goose. Absolutely !@#$ed it. Now it's time for the Obama machine to take out the plumber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Funny. My wife and I were just discussing this morning: how long before the left starts turning on a guy who has done nothing but ask a simple, honest question to a man running for president. One guy. One question. Speaks the mind of average America. Puts a face on what's wrong with Obama's tax plan. Ergo...he's a shill. You must have been really disappointed to find out that "the shiteater" is, in fact, registered to vote. Yeah, the average American has a quarter mill to buy a business these days. He's about as average as they come. Frankly, if I were a plumber I'd feel a bit denegrated that my occupation was continually used in conjunction with an "everyday-name" to subliminally suggest hard brass blue collar, dirt under your finger nails, workin' type AmairaCANS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molson_golden2002 Posted October 16, 2008 Author Share Posted October 16, 2008 Joe the Plumber is just an average guy. Since he clearly didn't understand that a BUSINESS grossing 250k annually isn't the same as a SALARY of $250k, he probably shouldn't consider buying it anyway. It just boils down to "are you better off now than eight years ago". Some people are, many are not. The scales will tip depending on just how many are not and who they perceive can make things right. He's angry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MembersOnlyJacketGuy Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Funny. My wife and I were just discussing this morning: how long before the left starts turning on a guy who has done nothing but ask a simple, honest question to a man running for president. One guy. One question. Speaks the mind of average America. Puts a face on what's wrong with Obama's tax plan. Ergo...he's a shill. You must have been really disappointed to find out that "the shiteater" is, in fact, registered to vote. Funny. My wife and I were just discussing this this morning too: how long before a guy like me asks a simple, honest question to a man running for president. I'm one guy. I asked one question. I got a 4 minute answer from Senator Obama, yet somebody cut the tape and took the Senator's response out of context. Odd... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yall Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Funny. My wife and I were just discussing this morning: how long before the left starts turning on a guy who has done nothing but ask a simple, honest question to a man running for president. One guy. One question. Speaks the mind of average America. Puts a face on what's wrong with Obama's tax plan. Ergo...he's a shill. You must have been really disappointed to find out that "the shiteater" is, in fact, registered to vote. :devil: http://www.eisenstadtgroup.com/2008/10/15/...s-keating-oops/ Yep - Joe is a real regular guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molson_golden2002 Posted October 16, 2008 Author Share Posted October 16, 2008 http://www.eisenstadtgroup.com/2008/10/15/...s-keating-oops/ Yep - Joe is a real regular guy. Turns out that Joe Wurzelbacher from the Toledo event is a close relative of Robert Wurzelbacher of Milford, Ohio. Who’s Robert Wurzelbacher? Only Charles Keating’s son-in-law and the former senior vice president of American Continental, the parent company of the infamous Lincoln Savings and Loan. The now retired elder Wurzelbacher is also a major contributor to Republican causes giving well over $10,000 in the last few years. Does any of this make Joe the Plumber a bad guy? Of course not. In fact, after that ill-fated night at the Watergate, he may finally be giving plumbers a good name. But at a debate where John goes full bore on Obama for guilt-by-association with William Ayers (and dodges a bullet by Obama not mentioning Keating Five), the press is going to bring it back front and center by midday tomorrow once they delve deeper into the most popular plumber in America. OMG!!! My mother grew up in Milford, Ohio! Nice little town Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typical TBD Guy Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 I've always been taught that nothing in life is exactly fair. But go ahead and explain it too me. You are correct in recognizing that nothing in life is exactly fair. You know what's also not exactly fair in life? The fact that some people are born with unique talents that are deemed more valuable to society than the talents of others, via that pesky law of supply and demand. But such is life. And if you are proposing that society should financially reward all talents of every individual equally, then you are proposing Marxism. And if that is your proposal, then at least come out and admit it so we can take this little intellectual debate from there. Its kind of funny that last week the base was complaining about 'their' taxes bailing out the rich, now they are complaining that the rich will have to pay more taxes. There's actually nothing at all contradictory with those two positions because it's not an issue of whether the "base" loves or hates the rich. It's an issue of not wanting the government artificially involved in the free market process by rewarding bad behavior and punishing good behavior, with the former encouraging bad business decisions on a macro scale (the economic mess that we have now) and the latter discouraging the kind of economic risk-taking that promotes jobs (what we will have soon under Obama's quasi-socialism). Are they just angry people and they don't really care what they are angry about as long as they can be angry? The right wingers seem just as angry with Obama's progressive tax bullsh!t as you and the left wingers have been (and rightfully so, I might add) for the past eight years under GWB. Am I wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Joe the Plumber is just an average guy. Since he clearly didn't understand that a BUSINESS grossing 250k annually isn't the same as a SALARY of $250k, he probably shouldn't consider buying it anyway. It just boils down to "are you better off now than eight years ago". Some people are, many are not. The scales will tip depending on just how many are not and who they perceive can make things right. What if the business nets $250k? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yall Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 What if the business nets $250k? Well he owns at least 4 businesses, so Mr. Ordinary Average Plant probably does have one that nets 250k. Are we seriously arguing against margins? I'm mean, we all know that a flat tax, as nice and fair as it sounds, actually isn't that fair right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 I got a 4 minute answer from Senator Obama, yet somebody cut the tape and took the Senator's response out of context. Odd... I heard the entire answer, and yet nothing in that entire answer did anything to change the fact that Obama fully admits he wants to take from the earners and pass it downward with no accountability from the recipients. I'm not going to feel bad about disagreeing with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molson_golden2002 Posted October 16, 2008 Author Share Posted October 16, 2008 The right wingers seem just as angry with Obama's progressive tax bullsh!t as you and the left wingers have been (and rightfully so, I might add) for the past eight years under GWB. Am I wrong? Yes! But we have to pay for the mess of the last 8 years, so someone has to pay. Cutting spending would mean laying off workers somewhere along the line. I'd rather raise revenue a bit to try and balance the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Joe is just your average Joe. This morning he said he grew up in the south, and at 18 he found out that he was born in Toledo, and wasn't at all happy that he found out he "was a Yankee". Just your average Joe, representative of middle America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 I heard the entire answer, and yet nothing in that entire answer did anything to change the fact that Obama fully admits he wants to take from the earners and pass it downward with no accountability from the recipients. I'm not going to feel bad about disagreeing with that. So that means you're off the Obama Choo-Choo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typical TBD Guy Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Yes! But we have to pay for the mess of the last 8 years, so someone has to pay. Cutting spending would mean laying off workers somewhere along the line. I'd rather raise revenue a bit to try and balance the books. But my point, which is quite simple, is that raising taxes on the 5% of rich Americans reduces free-flowing capital and inhibits entrepreneurial risk precisely at a time (the beginning of a potentially very serious recession) when both should be increased and encouraged. Also keep in mind that raising taxes on the rich won't necessarily raise revenue if many small businesses quit and the pool of wealthy people shrinks (Laffer Curve idea). An alternative plan to balance the books would be to stop subsidizing the national defense of other nations like the EU and to stop engaging in wars that are not directly related to our national security (i.e., Iraq War). This is something I'm guessing you and I can both agree on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 So that means you're off the Obama Choo-Choo? No, way, baby. I disagree with Obama's policy, but I'm in California. Our Obama Train don't stop for no one here!!! FREE CHEESE FOR EVERYONE!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 No, way, baby. I disagree with Obama's policy, but I'm in California. Our Obama Train don't stop for no one here!!! FREE CHEESE FOR EVERYONE!!!! So no chicken in my pot. Only cheese? Won't it melt. Then I'll have cheese whiz. Can i get some chili and dogs with that as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 So no chicken in my pot. Only cheese? Won't it melt. Then I'll have cheese whiz. Can i get some chili and dogs with that as well? Sure. Just put in your request and Obama will it from the guys in front of you. It's not right that he have it and you don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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